very true...some will have to use sub or methadone to get clean....it is better than not getting clean...just be sure u have to use these before u do it....no easy ride...i have used both...sub in a pinch to hold me over til pills arrived...methadone for pain short term...never had an addiction to either that i had to kick so i can not add to the struggle of kicking either...i knew better than to do either for long....but i do know that sub gave me a jolt/a high that methadone never did...never was a high quantity user so tolerence never was extreme...2 mg of sub would pop me into life with a sweet energetic high..the kind i liked...so i am afraid of it...methadone never did that to me at up to 25 mg a day...no jolt/no buzz...just a pain relief and peace without craving...but i am scared of methadone too...but i am more afraid of sub...and that is me and we all are different...fact is..be safe
The Naabt site has a normal curve of sub stories, Some great, some, not- some in between. But they do have long threads of folks who have made it with sub. Here more folks seem to have have made it w/o sub. My view is "whatever works'. I am a great advocate of never giving up.Nothing beats a try but a failure- and keep on trying until you find your magic bullet.
I didnt at all mean that he or anyone for that matter should feel they need to take more mgs to be able to qualify for sub.. But sub itself is highly addictive and very strong. Once it is started, your body becomes dependant upon it. If you are only addicted to 30mgs a day, why would you want to be put on something that is much stronger and the w.d will be much worse? That was my only point. I was addicted to Oxy Contin and taking between 800-1200mgs a day of it. For almost 4 years. My dr.put me on 16mgs a day of sub. My best friend was addicted to 40mgs of Percocet. That same dr. put her on 16mgs of sub a day. Does that make sense? I understand an addiction is an addiction, no matter how big or little. But in my opinion, why start another med that is stronger then what you have been taking. It would have been better (in my opinion only) to taper him down to as little as possible then discontinue altogher. Rahter then start him on something much stronger and taper from that. But I guess with Sub your not getting high and/or acting as an addict would. But I do also understand your point. Just letting you know I didn't mean it like that. Hope you are well.
Lisa
I am going to take everyone's experiences and make an heath page so members can have a better idea what the suboxone both on and getting off experience is like.
you won't know until you try..
counseling changed my life - completely. and many, many others i know... psychotherapy is life changing with the right therapist. my addiction counselor has been truly great, too.
it will be a shame in my opinion if you don't at least try. to discount it without trying could mean the difference - literally - of a great life, vs. a very unhappy one.
i hope you give it a try...
good luck,
mj
Sub and methadone when used long term as reffered to as "harm redution therapies" by professionals. Neither one really help you get over addiction , they just put in on hold but allow you to stop drug seeking. I prefer methadone for this purpose as it more tried and tested but they are similar. I think there is a big profit motive for the doc who perscribe and learn about it at a weekend seminar and really don't seem to know how addictive sub is. I think it is a good detox drug when used for very short periods. It seems like the opinion here if more against it for long term here judging from people's experiences.