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Suboxone how hard is it to come off of .
I have seen any in the last week considering suboxone .We have many that are still taking it .I think it would really helpful for many posters trying to research whether it a good chioce for them to hear what people that are now off it have to say .
Did you take it short term or long term? How long if at all did you have WD going off it?.If you had to do it all over would you make the same choice?
Did you take it short term or long term? How long if at all did you have WD going off it?.If you had to do it all over would you make the same choice?
Just the fact that they put you on sub for 2 or 3 hydro's a day is scary .I wish they had a better set of guidelines for use .Thank you for sharing this can help any thinking about using sub .
That was really informative and I pray that people read this. You sound like you are determined and have come a long way. Congrats on getting clean and fighting the demons....awesome...
And also, welcome to the forum...its a great place for suppor, advice and knowledge....
Lisa
And also, welcome to the forum...its a great place for suppor, advice and knowledge....
Lisa
Day (7) of Sub Withdrawal
I posted this elsewhere but I wanna make sure that anyone thinking about subs as the way out know what I am going through. So if you seen this elsewhere sorry, just ignore it. If not, and you are thinking about Subs talk to your Doctor, do it right and get off them a soon as possible once you start.
I want to proffer my personal experience to others. This is just me.....others might have had a different experience, but in researching this Suboxone/Subutex thing on this site I find similarities between my experience and others.....
AS ALWAYS SEEK A QUALIFIED AND CARING DOCTOR'S CARE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!!!!!
I was on and off hydrocodone for about 3 years never more than 2-3 10s a day. In january 07 I tapered and went cold turkey. It lasted about 3 months clean when I got hit with a tremendous amount of stress in my life and found myself working late nights. To keep focused and energized I got back on Hydros. Then in Oct/ Nov. of 2007 I did some research and found out about subutex. I seemed to be a miracle drug!!!!! NO WITHDRAWALS!!!!! NOT TRUE!!!!! Well I didn't know that then. I got on Subutex and it seemed like a miracle drug!!! It worked just as promised! I had an easy time getting off hydros with little or no withdrawal effect. Unfortunately I developed a Subutex habit instead! Almost a year later (September 25, 2008) I decided to quit. I started to taper. I got down to a little less than .5 a day for a week from about 1mg the week before. On October 2, 2008, I jumped off.
The first 4 days were horrible. I mean REALLY horrible. In desperation I found this place, set up an account and started posting. Many of you folks gave me some hope and some tips. But the more I learned about this Sub thing the more I realized I was in for long and rough ride. This Subutex has quite a grip on you (37-hour half-life).
On my Day (6). I rode a bike 7.5 miles this morning at 8:30 am. I have been doing everything I can think of to make this easier nothing really really works completely. I STILL FEEL KINDA BAD ALL OVER AND NOW I HAVE AN EVER-PRESENT HEADACHE. Lots of things work a little,... like:
Exercise
Lots of water
Vitamins
Veggies Fruits
Aminos
Hot baths with scented oils
rest
sex (ENDORPHINS)
IBUFROFEN
dark chocolate
motivating music
crying
But really, this IS BAD. Getting off Hydros was rough but for me after 5 or 6 days I was over the worst of it. Come to think of it it took me 11 days before I was totally okay after hydros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute! There's hope, may on day 11 I will be okay this time too! I hope so....
Problem is,...search this site for subutex withdrawal and you will find that the consensus is that subutex really bites back hard. Its a good way to get off hydros and perhaps other drugs IF AND ONLY IF YOU STICK TO THE THREE WEEK PROGRAM THEN TAPER AND JUMP OFF!!!!! DON'T GET HOOKED ON SUBS!!!!! As always seek out a good Doctor and take his or her advice. Unfortunately, I didn't realize at the time that the Doctor I went to in Vegas was pretty much just a pill-pusher.....or maybe he just doesn't know how rough Subs can be.... but him and his over-tanned and leathery receptionist just kept telling me to tak your time no rush, let your body heal take as many as you need,....etc. I am very angry at this so-called practice. But look, I'm no Doctor... But I really care about others walking down this road. When I had nowhere to go you people gave me solace and courage and some comfort. I feel obliged to share back for others!
On a good note, today is my Day (7) off Subs and I feel pretty good. I've got a tinge of stomache pain but not bad, a lurking headache not quite discernible given 800 mgs of Ibuprofin I took an hour ago and of course cutis anserina (goose bumps). I'm gonna ride a bike today. I'm shooting for 10 miles mostly flat surface and Im gonna try to be productive today.
Good Luck to those of you contemplating the seduction of Subs. Its a powerful thing bu respect it. The horror stories are far less pronounce if you minimize the term of usage. But even after only three weeks I have heard of some bad Wds.
I posted this elsewhere but I wanna make sure that anyone thinking about subs as the way out know what I am going through. So if you seen this elsewhere sorry, just ignore it. If not, and you are thinking about Subs talk to your Doctor, do it right and get off them a soon as possible once you start.
I want to proffer my personal experience to others. This is just me.....others might have had a different experience, but in researching this Suboxone/Subutex thing on this site I find similarities between my experience and others.....
AS ALWAYS SEEK A QUALIFIED AND CARING DOCTOR'S CARE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!!!!!
I was on and off hydrocodone for about 3 years never more than 2-3 10s a day. In january 07 I tapered and went cold turkey. It lasted about 3 months clean when I got hit with a tremendous amount of stress in my life and found myself working late nights. To keep focused and energized I got back on Hydros. Then in Oct/ Nov. of 2007 I did some research and found out about subutex. I seemed to be a miracle drug!!!!! NO WITHDRAWALS!!!!! NOT TRUE!!!!! Well I didn't know that then. I got on Subutex and it seemed like a miracle drug!!! It worked just as promised! I had an easy time getting off hydros with little or no withdrawal effect. Unfortunately I developed a Subutex habit instead! Almost a year later (September 25, 2008) I decided to quit. I started to taper. I got down to a little less than .5 a day for a week from about 1mg the week before. On October 2, 2008, I jumped off.
The first 4 days were horrible. I mean REALLY horrible. In desperation I found this place, set up an account and started posting. Many of you folks gave me some hope and some tips. But the more I learned about this Sub thing the more I realized I was in for long and rough ride. This Subutex has quite a grip on you (37-hour half-life).
On my Day (6). I rode a bike 7.5 miles this morning at 8:30 am. I have been doing everything I can think of to make this easier nothing really really works completely. I STILL FEEL KINDA BAD ALL OVER AND NOW I HAVE AN EVER-PRESENT HEADACHE. Lots of things work a little,... like:
Exercise
Lots of water
Vitamins
Veggies Fruits
Aminos
Hot baths with scented oils
rest
sex (ENDORPHINS)
IBUFROFEN
dark chocolate
motivating music
crying
But really, this IS BAD. Getting off Hydros was rough but for me after 5 or 6 days I was over the worst of it. Come to think of it it took me 11 days before I was totally okay after hydros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute! There's hope, may on day 11 I will be okay this time too! I hope so....
Problem is,...search this site for subutex withdrawal and you will find that the consensus is that subutex really bites back hard. Its a good way to get off hydros and perhaps other drugs IF AND ONLY IF YOU STICK TO THE THREE WEEK PROGRAM THEN TAPER AND JUMP OFF!!!!! DON'T GET HOOKED ON SUBS!!!!! As always seek out a good Doctor and take his or her advice. Unfortunately, I didn't realize at the time that the Doctor I went to in Vegas was pretty much just a pill-pusher.....or maybe he just doesn't know how rough Subs can be.... but him and his over-tanned and leathery receptionist just kept telling me to tak your time no rush, let your body heal take as many as you need,....etc. I am very angry at this so-called practice. But look, I'm no Doctor... But I really care about others walking down this road. When I had nowhere to go you people gave me solace and courage and some comfort. I feel obliged to share back for others!
On a good note, today is my Day (7) off Subs and I feel pretty good. I've got a tinge of stomache pain but not bad, a lurking headache not quite discernible given 800 mgs of Ibuprofin I took an hour ago and of course cutis anserina (goose bumps). I'm gonna ride a bike today. I'm shooting for 10 miles mostly flat surface and Im gonna try to be productive today.
Good Luck to those of you contemplating the seduction of Subs. Its a powerful thing bu respect it. The horror stories are far less pronounce if you minimize the term of usage. But even after only three weeks I have heard of some bad Wds.
btt
I think alot of the reason that people tend to stay on sub long term, is because they actually feel good on the sub, not high but "normal" or what they remember feeling normal is. For me, I felt unstoppable on the sub. I was alert, had energy and had NO desire to go back to Oxy's. I was unaware at the time that I was infact still ingesting partial opaites, just not acting as an addict would. Being that you are no longer paying for drugs off the street, forging scripts, dr.shopping, snorting, shooting up, spiking...counting pills..lying, stealing..pretty much everything we do as addicts. We feel as though because we aren't doing these things we are clean and in recovery. And while I do agree you are in recovery, because you are working towards getting off your DOC and getting clean. I don't really think you are home free yet. To me, you know you are clean, when you can wake up for one full week, get though every day, without taking your DOC and/or the sub.
I have heard of many stories, both good and bad, of people who tapered down to as little as they could and had no w.d other then headaches. And then some who also tapered down to little and had massive w.d. I don't personally believe you can just by-pass w.d. I think that we all want to find a way to do that and its just not possible. But reading Jenz story, I guess it has to be. I believe that the mind sometimes makes your w.d a little harder. Becuase I can remember being in full blown w.d from Oxy's if my dealer was out, and when he would call and say he got them in, I would instantly feel better knowing I was going to get them soon? I mean, I would go from NOT being able to get out from underneath the covers cause I had chills so bad, to getting that call that he had them and being able to get up, get dressed, drive to the bank and go get the pills. So I think some of it, not alot, but some is in your head.
No matter how you slice it, addiction and w.d is just plain horrible. And I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But I think most are not seeing that the w.d is not the hardest part, its staying clean. I have had my share of relapses and this is the longest I have been clean to date. So I hope I can continue on. There are good days, and bad days. And this forum helps me stay grounded. Aftercare people....its the best way to stay clean.
But this is a good topic and like you said Avis, if we keep it calm and rational, it will be very informative for some people. I think we all get so caught up in our own opinions and what WE think is right, we lose sight of what's important and that's to educate anyone who may not know anything on Sub.
Anyway..my story is above and if anyone has any questions about my story, please feel free to ask.
I have heard of many stories, both good and bad, of people who tapered down to as little as they could and had no w.d other then headaches. And then some who also tapered down to little and had massive w.d. I don't personally believe you can just by-pass w.d. I think that we all want to find a way to do that and its just not possible. But reading Jenz story, I guess it has to be. I believe that the mind sometimes makes your w.d a little harder. Becuase I can remember being in full blown w.d from Oxy's if my dealer was out, and when he would call and say he got them in, I would instantly feel better knowing I was going to get them soon? I mean, I would go from NOT being able to get out from underneath the covers cause I had chills so bad, to getting that call that he had them and being able to get up, get dressed, drive to the bank and go get the pills. So I think some of it, not alot, but some is in your head.
No matter how you slice it, addiction and w.d is just plain horrible. And I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But I think most are not seeing that the w.d is not the hardest part, its staying clean. I have had my share of relapses and this is the longest I have been clean to date. So I hope I can continue on. There are good days, and bad days. And this forum helps me stay grounded. Aftercare people....its the best way to stay clean.
But this is a good topic and like you said Avis, if we keep it calm and rational, it will be very informative for some people. I think we all get so caught up in our own opinions and what WE think is right, we lose sight of what's important and that's to educate anyone who may not know anything on Sub.
Anyway..my story is above and if anyone has any questions about my story, please feel free to ask.
Jenz,
Thanks girl ,I a glad it work so well for you .I know most of the people taper all of the way down to a crumb seem to have a much more smooth time getting off .I have also heard much better experiences with shorter term usage.
I wish OChooked had be as lucky he did short term and had a very bad time of it . It goes to show who everybody's body reacts differently .
Its great to see both positive and negative this is what I wanted to have here.
Thanks girl ,I a glad it work so well for you .I know most of the people taper all of the way down to a crumb seem to have a much more smooth time getting off .I have also heard much better experiences with shorter term usage.
I wish OChooked had be as lucky he did short term and had a very bad time of it . It goes to show who everybody's body reacts differently .
Its great to see both positive and negative this is what I wanted to have here.
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