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Why suboxone? How suboxone? When suboxone?

First off to everyone, I sincerely thank you. I have been reading your guys post on here for years now. Being encouraged by them, helping them to motivate myself to face this demon and to rid him once and for all. BUT :),

I need help. My story is not different than anyone else's except I seem to do everything completely wrong. I have never drank, or done an street drugs in my life. In 2004 I had three of my teeth go abscessed at once and I was prescribed hydrocodone and from there it slowly went down hill. By 2011 I was introduced to 30 mg OC and it was awesome. I could take two of those a night and it would do its magic all night and than some. And as the story goes 2 turned into 4 and 4 turned into 8 and than I was spending money I didn't have along with lying to family and friends to get money to buy more, and than in November of 2012 I truly made the stupidest and worst decision of my life. I have gout. I used that gout to my fullest advantage I could. I was told of a neurological dr who was in his 70's and didn't have any problems prescribing oxycodone. After two visits with him and lying about how bad my gout was he prescribed me 240 30 mg of the OC. I am an electrical supervisor for a GC and a couple guys who got really desperate for work made a deal with me. As long as I could keep them working they would go see the same doctor as me and get whatever they could get and they would honestly give them to me as long as I paid for the script which was usually a total of 45 dollars with their two and mine. So from January of 2013 to August 2013 I would honestly have close to 700 30 mg OC a month. And I promise I am not at all proud of this and I assure everyone I am not making it up I was a greedy *******. I took every dam one of them and there were a couple times I ran out and had to go on the hunt to find some. Well than I was introduced into an ungodly HELL. My company in the middle of August came and told me that they needed me to relocate to Oregon from Arizona. I had two weeks to get all my affairs in line and get moved up to Oregon. Well my wonderful doctor wrote me a new script and than pre dated me a second one for a month later. I had to pay full price to fill my new script( 440.00 dam dollars ) and than I was covered for a short bit in Oregon. Long story short I ran out a week and a half before I could fill my new script, and when I mean to tell you the hell of cold turkey of almost 20 to 25 a day of 30 mg OC. WAS HELL ON EARTH ONE MILLION TIMES OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I truly prayed for death. I have a wonderful 3 year old and a 1 year old. I couldn't pull myself out of bed to comfort them from crying. My wife told me she was leaving me and taking our children with her it made no difference. Life was dead. I was honestly awake for 8 days strait. I weigh 350 pounds. When my wife took me to the ER after the 8th day I was under 300 pounds( 297 ). I spent three days in the hospital I got re hydrated and got some strength back. My wife helped me go to mental health and addiction specialist. I was introduced to a therapist along with a support group and now truly the worst human being I have ever been introduced to. Dr. Anderson from the Kaiser Permanente health and addiction group. I handed him my script for the new 240 30 mg OC. I told him that I never want to touch a narcotic again and I haven't. He recommended me on a suboxone program. He told me that I abused the oxy so bad and for so long that it could take 90 days for me to heal. We'll I just had to use two weeks of PTO from detoxing and I could not miss anymore work, so very reluctantly I CHOSE BY MYSELF to do the program.

OK I chose to do it, no one else did. I watched all the warnings on YouTube along with reading all the warnings on here and I was convinced by a trained addiction specialist that he could truly help me beat my opiate addiction with working with me to use the suboxone the right way. He started me out with the 2mg subs and had me follow the sheet to which I was almost through all of them ( I had 35 ) with in 24 hours. Through Kaiser he called me in (98) 8.2 mg tablets not strips but the dissolving pills. 3 1/2 a day. Ok I needed that many for about five days. Than after the fifth day I realized I was quite fine after the second one.

Please I beg everyone I truly will get to my need, but for some reason writing this all down is somewhat calming my mind. From the middle of October until this last Sunday I was taking two 8.2 mg a day. Here is what is driving me mad. Through that time period there were multiple times I could go two days, three days and all the way to day four WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING!!!. I promise everyone, I could go a good amount of time without taking ANYTHING and I would be fine. I truthfully would only take the two( now I was taking them both at once ) because they seemed to help with me being tired. But as long as I new I had them, I had absolutely no issues what's so ever.

Ok, back in the beginning when I was attending the support group I heard EVERYONE SAY THIS( I believe we had 18 people in the meeting ). That get as many suboxones as you could possibly get prescribed because at any moment I could be dropped from the program or the state could tighten the whole program itself. So from October to Jan I was getting 98 a month and barely taking 50 of those a month. So I had a great stash going. In Feb I told my dr that I had worked my self down from 3 1/2 to 2 1/2. He thanked me for being truthful and wrote me the script for 21/2 a day for thirty days. On March 3rd I was laid off from my employer which in turn I lost my Kaiser Permanente insurance along with my suboxone group,my new employer had a job for me but it required me to go to Albany NY. We'll I was covered until the end of March with Kaiser and I had a great stash to cover me until I could get into a new program. Guys I don't understand this when I have them in my hand I'm fine. I truthfully don't need to take them for physical or mental needs. On April 30th I had exactly 20 left. I took two on the 30th and didn't need to take anymore until the 3rd in which I took another two. And for some reason it's been an ungodly hell since the forth. On the 4th I took one at 2:PM and all of a sudden at 8:00 PM that night  I felt the miserable hell of withdrawal. I got confused as to why I was feeling with drawl so I took another that night leaving me with 14.

My friends I beg you for help, all of a sudden on the fifth to the 16th I was literally a nervous wreck if I didn't take the subs. I realized on May 7th that I was going to need a new doctor and get a new script. I found a dr in the area seeing new patients and was able to see him on the 16th. I went in told him my whole story he thanked me and he contacted my old doctor back in Oregon. My old doctor told him he wrote me a script on March 5th and that I should've ran out on April 3rd. I told the both of them about being advised to make sure you keep a stash and that I used the stash to try my hardest to wean myself down and that I realized that trying to cold turkey of two 8.2 a day is impossible. I was asked to step outside and I did and when I was called back in the doctor said he didn't feel comfortable prescribing me suboxone. And told me I would have to go somewhere else.

My friends this is worst than the oxycodone. I am throwing up I can't eat, I can't get out of bed, I'm afraid to go three feet from the toilet. I have called every doctor within a two hour drive the soonest anyone can get me in is June 7th. I am so miserable. I called in sick yesterday and today and I am telling you now there is no way in hell I will be able to go in tomorrow. The Thomas Recipe isn't working help please
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271792 tn?1334979657
gmn, just so you know...this post is a few months old and the OP is not active at this time. Best of luck to you.
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That all sounds crazy. A doctor should never belittle a patient. You go to them in your hour of need and they should be compassionate, not judging. I have a Sub Dr here on long island. Hes great, not about the cash. He charges $100 per visit. 1st month, he wants u there once a week (400$ total per month). 2nd month, u go every 2 weeks, so $200 total for the month. Then by the third month u go every thirty days so its $100 for the month. (Plus medication is separate from ur pharmacist, obviously). But no judging, even if u screw up and fall off the wagon (which he only allows once). Very reasonable, even if the wait is an hour and a half every time. Some places want $500 up front and $250+ every month. And its so lucrative because more then half their practice is opiate addicts. Theyre making bank off this bc so few insurance companies will cover the doctors visits.
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Thank you, yes I read up on kratom. If you do not have a strong will kratom will grab you just the same as everything else and I will soon be seeking its comforts rather than dealing with the real issue. I am strongly looking of programs here in the Albany NY area. I would think there would be a lot to choose from, but there is not and a lot of them are really expensive. As myself and my wife were talking last night. I was willing to spend thousands of dollars before on illegal stuff, it's time I started spending the money on getting the proper help. Again thank you.
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4522800 tn?1470325834
Hi..Please stay away from the Kratom..I have seen many on here that had a real bad time with this. It is very addicting.
From reading what you have said this is my opinion. Take a very low dose of Subs and meanwhile get into those meetings. There is so much info about this Disease of Addiction and many reasons why we used. You can use this med to help with the cravings and at a very low dose even at 2mg-4mg. Then always work the program as the Dr would like you too. You can choose to taper lower and lower at anytime..BUT I would get to some aftercare right now. This is only a temporary fix right now so you do not crave other pills, but you need to have Support to help you deal with this issues of abusing your meds. Look up addiction in a more logical scientific way and you will see that WE come from all walks of life. Just take it easy and slow and get out and start that aftercare. Do not worry about the w/ds from the subs right now..use this as one more tool as you get out and pick up new tools. Work with the Dr and soon she will trust you. Wishing you the best!
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Again I thank you to everyone who has read my post and suggested things for me. I was speaking with a gentleman today who told me how he was able to taper off of suboxone. He would take Kratom in place of the suboxone dosage he would be taking. So if he was on 12 mg and he was trying to get to 10mg he would take up to 10mg and when the craving would come in he would use kratom and he said he was able to get all the way to . 50 and he said he was on .50 for a long time and he said that for the first three weeks he did have anxiety and some slight discomfort. But not at all enough to make life hell. He said he was able to work and some slight insomnia when it would get a hair yucky he had his clonidine and he was ok. He said he started the kratom when he was at 16.4 MG A day.and every three weeks he stopped 2mg.

I don't know if he is telling the truth. He seemed extremely knowledge on suboxone. But he claimed this worked. He said he had a little discomfort  but nothing that made it impossible to get out of bed. Or all the other miseries of trying to taper. I am just curious has anyone else ever heard of this working.again I sincerely thank everyone.
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Thank you for your response, that is my goal in June. My hope is to start the tapering in June.i have watched almost everything there is to watch about the best tapering schedule possible. It seems that a quarter a month is the best route to go. My wife has been the best support anyone could ever have. She somehow can make the tough love be very positive and than at the same time know how to comfort when needed. I have found a couple people in the area you are on the same program as I and they gave me info to there doctor. He amazingly takes insurance, and he is open on Sundays. So I am really praying that he will be the one to help me properly taper and get going on with my life without ZERO DEPENDANCIES. Thank you again for your comment. I promise I do read them and listen to everything you have suggested.
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That point is something I think we forget as addicts....we just want the stuff to feel better, and I'm sure these doctors see all kind of crap day in and day out, lies, thiefs, etc... So maybe they can't see the forest through the sleeze???  I agree with you b/c my sub dr was all about the $$. She was making bank!  
I understand that your not in a position to quit c/t now, but it is something you need to consider and make a plan.  The longer you stay on those subs the harder it's going to be to get off of them.  They are opiate based just like everything else....so it's sort of like trading one addiction for another.  And again, I am NOT taking anything away from the fact that I KNOW you felt like ****!  I was like that for about 30 days...and it was really bad...but at some point, we have to do it.  I am going to assume that your using is directly connected to "energy" needed for work, with the type of work you do, and I know you need to work, I hear that! But when are you going to take the time to take care of you?  We can't treat our bodies like this and expect things to turn out ok???  Maybe talk to your new sub dr in June about starting you on a tapering schedule?  Have the dr monitor your taper so there will be the least amount of w/d possible?  Maybe it's time!
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I thank you. I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt but I just read all the everybody complaint about her. So I should have done some better homework on my part. But the fact is she did give me a script. And asked me to be honest about it when we meet on Tuesday. So who knows everyone has a bad day. Your right about the emotions and I thank you for suggesting them. I looked up some info and I was saying yes to a lot of them. So maybe there is the first step to concurring the beast. Thank you
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I think you're lucky to have found someone to help you out here so I'd forget about filing a complaint and focus on your recovery. After reading your story I'm convinced that there's a huge emotional component to this addiction and you need help with that right away or this will keep happening.  

It's unfortunate you were treated badly but it's the risk we take when seeking help and, really, your story is difficult to follow so maybe she thought it was sketchy. Regardless, now you're on track so get yourself to some meetings and do the work necessary to kick this beast!  Good luck!
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Thank you, it truly means the world. I was able to find a doctor who would see me today. Why is it that if you go seeking help your treated like a junkie creep who should just jump off a bridge. I have truthfully never been treated as bad as I was today. The doctor asked me to bring my current bottle( which I did) it has the prescription release date of 3/13/2014. She went completely crazy on me. The bottle has 70 tablets prescribed. I tried to explain to her that I had a month and a half supply previous to these prescription. It was all noted with Kaiser Permanente and I was trying to taper down. She wasn't having it. She accused me of doctor jumping along with illegally purchasing them off the streets. It was insane.

At the end of March, I had a small abdominal hernia in my belly button. I went to the urgent care here in Clifton Park New York and I was given a script for (20) 7.5/5 hydrocodones. I don't care what anyone says or believes. I walked into my hotel room and saw the picture of my two children. I started to cry. I was in legit pain and I chose right then and there that I was not taking them. I flushed them down the toilet. I didn't take one of them. The doctor questionnaire asked when was the last time you took any opiate. Yes I should have said I was prescribed but chose not to take the hydros but I didn't because I am not a drug dealer. So I didn't want to give the impression that I sold them so I told the truth and wrote down the last date I took any pills.

She blew up on me calling me the biggest liar and what was my wife doing with a man like me and so forth. I had to sit there and take being called a junkie liar three separate times. As I stated in my original post I have never drank in my life. NEVER. She proceeded to tell me I was lying about that and so forth. Long story short I had to pay 300.00 to get on a crappy program( she only cares about the cash) to get 10 of the dissolving pills. I have to go back every week and pay 250.00 to get 10 more. She claimed this is how every program is run in the State of New York. So how do I legally change doctors without being accused of doctor swapping. I heard back from another doctor who sounded like he truly cared about helping me. But he can't get me in until the end of June. He advised me to stay with her just to keep myself going and when I can get in to see him he will help me and get me set up on a true program to taper down along with seeing a counselor to help me beat this.

She was not at all a caring or nice person( which she doesn't have to be. But to verbally attack someone and to call them names and a liar has to be addressed. I am not at all worried about the DEA or any other legal matters. But how do you file a complaint against someone who is helping you function in life?
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7163794 tn?1457366813
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I jumped from a high dose of suboxone as well.I hear ya....I felt like death warmed over! Im going to tell u what some people told me on here that wad truthful and honest:
1. This can be done, and yeah I didn't find the Thomas recipe worked very well for subs.
2. It's going to take about 21 days to start feeling more normal b/c of suboxones long half life. That's why u were able to skip a day or 2 b/c they stay in your system longer.
3. Immodium, l-tyrosine, vit c, potassium, gaba 750, motrin, these are all things u will need. Gatorade, water, foods high in protein and amino acids.
Your back in Oregon with help? Friends or family? U will need some help with this one. If my husband hadn't been there for me to help I don't know what I would have done. What your going through ***** BAD!!! U must push yourself, you have to just ride it out. And honestly, I don't think work is an option right now. I lost 10lbs in those 21 days, no appetite and massive diarrea! But someone also told me w/d won't kill us. Good luck and keep posting!
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Ugh so sorry you are feeling this way. Unfortunately I can't give you any great advise besides go thru this forum and read. There is so many helpful tips.  This is just my opinion but since you can't get into see the dr right away then you should just continue to stay clean.  I've read over and over on here that withdrawals from suboxone is worse then oxycodone.  I know that you are throwing up but it's still very important to drink tons of fluids. Gatorade is very good for dehydration. Even tho you are getting sick some of the fluids are still being absorbed.  Try taking some vitamins as well.  Some swear by taking massive doses of vitamin C and hardly have any withdrawal symptoms, which some say its not safe to take tons of vitamin c, but I think everyone's body reacts differently.  I'm sure that there will be many members on here to give you great advise. Hang in there, best of luck to you
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Sorry it was so long, but please everyone. Your reading a mans message who is sick of this. I love my family. I am lucky they are back in Oregon while I am going through this here. Is there anywhere I can go that will help me sooner than the 7th. Please any advice. What can I do? We're can I ? How fast can it be done. I am miserable. And I mean I am truly having bad thoughts. Please help.
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