gmn, just so you know...this post is a few months old and the OP is not active at this time. Best of luck to you.
That all sounds crazy. A doctor should never belittle a patient. You go to them in your hour of need and they should be compassionate, not judging. I have a Sub Dr here on long island. Hes great, not about the cash. He charges $100 per visit. 1st month, he wants u there once a week (400$ total per month). 2nd month, u go every 2 weeks, so $200 total for the month. Then by the third month u go every thirty days so its $100 for the month. (Plus medication is separate from ur pharmacist, obviously). But no judging, even if u screw up and fall off the wagon (which he only allows once). Very reasonable, even if the wait is an hour and a half every time. Some places want $500 up front and $250+ every month. And its so lucrative because more then half their practice is opiate addicts. Theyre making bank off this bc so few insurance companies will cover the doctors visits.
Thank you, yes I read up on kratom. If you do not have a strong will kratom will grab you just the same as everything else and I will soon be seeking its comforts rather than dealing with the real issue. I am strongly looking of programs here in the Albany NY area. I would think there would be a lot to choose from, but there is not and a lot of them are really expensive. As myself and my wife were talking last night. I was willing to spend thousands of dollars before on illegal stuff, it's time I started spending the money on getting the proper help. Again thank you.
Hi..Please stay away from the Kratom..I have seen many on here that had a real bad time with this. It is very addicting.
From reading what you have said this is my opinion. Take a very low dose of Subs and meanwhile get into those meetings. There is so much info about this Disease of Addiction and many reasons why we used. You can use this med to help with the cravings and at a very low dose even at 2mg-4mg. Then always work the program as the Dr would like you too. You can choose to taper lower and lower at anytime..BUT I would get to some aftercare right now. This is only a temporary fix right now so you do not crave other pills, but you need to have Support to help you deal with this issues of abusing your meds. Look up addiction in a more logical scientific way and you will see that WE come from all walks of life. Just take it easy and slow and get out and start that aftercare. Do not worry about the w/ds from the subs right now..use this as one more tool as you get out and pick up new tools. Work with the Dr and soon she will trust you. Wishing you the best!
Again I thank you to everyone who has read my post and suggested things for me. I was speaking with a gentleman today who told me how he was able to taper off of suboxone. He would take Kratom in place of the suboxone dosage he would be taking. So if he was on 12 mg and he was trying to get to 10mg he would take up to 10mg and when the craving would come in he would use kratom and he said he was able to get all the way to . 50 and he said he was on .50 for a long time and he said that for the first three weeks he did have anxiety and some slight discomfort. But not at all enough to make life hell. He said he was able to work and some slight insomnia when it would get a hair yucky he had his clonidine and he was ok. He said he started the kratom when he was at 16.4 MG A day.and every three weeks he stopped 2mg.
I don't know if he is telling the truth. He seemed extremely knowledge on suboxone. But he claimed this worked. He said he had a little discomfort but nothing that made it impossible to get out of bed. Or all the other miseries of trying to taper. I am just curious has anyone else ever heard of this working.again I sincerely thank everyone.
Thank you for your response, that is my goal in June. My hope is to start the tapering in June.i have watched almost everything there is to watch about the best tapering schedule possible. It seems that a quarter a month is the best route to go. My wife has been the best support anyone could ever have. She somehow can make the tough love be very positive and than at the same time know how to comfort when needed. I have found a couple people in the area you are on the same program as I and they gave me info to there doctor. He amazingly takes insurance, and he is open on Sundays. So I am really praying that he will be the one to help me properly taper and get going on with my life without ZERO DEPENDANCIES. Thank you again for your comment. I promise I do read them and listen to everything you have suggested.
That point is something I think we forget as addicts....we just want the stuff to feel better, and I'm sure these doctors see all kind of crap day in and day out, lies, thiefs, etc... So maybe they can't see the forest through the sleeze??? I agree with you b/c my sub dr was all about the $$. She was making bank!
I understand that your not in a position to quit c/t now, but it is something you need to consider and make a plan. The longer you stay on those subs the harder it's going to be to get off of them. They are opiate based just like everything else....so it's sort of like trading one addiction for another. And again, I am NOT taking anything away from the fact that I KNOW you felt like ****! I was like that for about 30 days...and it was really bad...but at some point, we have to do it. I am going to assume that your using is directly connected to "energy" needed for work, with the type of work you do, and I know you need to work, I hear that! But when are you going to take the time to take care of you? We can't treat our bodies like this and expect things to turn out ok??? Maybe talk to your new sub dr in June about starting you on a tapering schedule? Have the dr monitor your taper so there will be the least amount of w/d possible? Maybe it's time!
I thank you. I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt but I just read all the everybody complaint about her. So I should have done some better homework on my part. But the fact is she did give me a script. And asked me to be honest about it when we meet on Tuesday. So who knows everyone has a bad day. Your right about the emotions and I thank you for suggesting them. I looked up some info and I was saying yes to a lot of them. So maybe there is the first step to concurring the beast. Thank you
I think you're lucky to have found someone to help you out here so I'd forget about filing a complaint and focus on your recovery. After reading your story I'm convinced that there's a huge emotional component to this addiction and you need help with that right away or this will keep happening.
It's unfortunate you were treated badly but it's the risk we take when seeking help and, really, your story is difficult to follow so maybe she thought it was sketchy. Regardless, now you're on track so get yourself to some meetings and do the work necessary to kick this beast! Good luck!
Thank you, it truly means the world. I was able to find a doctor who would see me today. Why is it that if you go seeking help your treated like a junkie creep who should just jump off a bridge. I have truthfully never been treated as bad as I was today. The doctor asked me to bring my current bottle( which I did) it has the prescription release date of 3/13/2014. She went completely crazy on me. The bottle has 70 tablets prescribed. I tried to explain to her that I had a month and a half supply previous to these prescription. It was all noted with Kaiser Permanente and I was trying to taper down. She wasn't having it. She accused me of doctor jumping along with illegally purchasing them off the streets. It was insane.
At the end of March, I had a small abdominal hernia in my belly button. I went to the urgent care here in Clifton Park New York and I was given a script for (20) 7.5/5 hydrocodones. I don't care what anyone says or believes. I walked into my hotel room and saw the picture of my two children. I started to cry. I was in legit pain and I chose right then and there that I was not taking them. I flushed them down the toilet. I didn't take one of them. The doctor questionnaire asked when was the last time you took any opiate. Yes I should have said I was prescribed but chose not to take the hydros but I didn't because I am not a drug dealer. So I didn't want to give the impression that I sold them so I told the truth and wrote down the last date I took any pills.
She blew up on me calling me the biggest liar and what was my wife doing with a man like me and so forth. I had to sit there and take being called a junkie liar three separate times. As I stated in my original post I have never drank in my life. NEVER. She proceeded to tell me I was lying about that and so forth. Long story short I had to pay 300.00 to get on a crappy program( she only cares about the cash) to get 10 of the dissolving pills. I have to go back every week and pay 250.00 to get 10 more. She claimed this is how every program is run in the State of New York. So how do I legally change doctors without being accused of doctor swapping. I heard back from another doctor who sounded like he truly cared about helping me. But he can't get me in until the end of June. He advised me to stay with her just to keep myself going and when I can get in to see him he will help me and get me set up on a true program to taper down along with seeing a counselor to help me beat this.
She was not at all a caring or nice person( which she doesn't have to be. But to verbally attack someone and to call them names and a liar has to be addressed. I am not at all worried about the DEA or any other legal matters. But how do you file a complaint against someone who is helping you function in life?
I jumped from a high dose of suboxone as well.I hear ya....I felt like death warmed over! Im going to tell u what some people told me on here that wad truthful and honest:
1. This can be done, and yeah I didn't find the Thomas recipe worked very well for subs.
2. It's going to take about 21 days to start feeling more normal b/c of suboxones long half life. That's why u were able to skip a day or 2 b/c they stay in your system longer.
3. Immodium, l-tyrosine, vit c, potassium, gaba 750, motrin, these are all things u will need. Gatorade, water, foods high in protein and amino acids.
Your back in Oregon with help? Friends or family? U will need some help with this one. If my husband hadn't been there for me to help I don't know what I would have done. What your going through ***** BAD!!! U must push yourself, you have to just ride it out. And honestly, I don't think work is an option right now. I lost 10lbs in those 21 days, no appetite and massive diarrea! But someone also told me w/d won't kill us. Good luck and keep posting!
Ugh so sorry you are feeling this way. Unfortunately I can't give you any great advise besides go thru this forum and read. There is so many helpful tips. This is just my opinion but since you can't get into see the dr right away then you should just continue to stay clean. I've read over and over on here that withdrawals from suboxone is worse then oxycodone. I know that you are throwing up but it's still very important to drink tons of fluids. Gatorade is very good for dehydration. Even tho you are getting sick some of the fluids are still being absorbed. Try taking some vitamins as well. Some swear by taking massive doses of vitamin C and hardly have any withdrawal symptoms, which some say its not safe to take tons of vitamin c, but I think everyone's body reacts differently. I'm sure that there will be many members on here to give you great advise. Hang in there, best of luck to you
Sorry it was so long, but please everyone. Your reading a mans message who is sick of this. I love my family. I am lucky they are back in Oregon while I am going through this here. Is there anywhere I can go that will help me sooner than the 7th. Please any advice. What can I do? We're can I ? How fast can it be done. I am miserable. And I mean I am truly having bad thoughts. Please help.