withdraw

[theboy967]

hello im new but sufering from fenatnyl adiction .im an adict i was clean for 5 years i had a freak act of nature hapend and my kidneys and liver gave up on me the hospital put me on fentanyl and oxycodone iv been on a high dose sins june last year i fill like poo im not myself and the fact i was clean for 5 years im realy unhappy i fill worse of now than any outher drug iv taken before perscribed drugs are a hole noughther ball game and i dont no wear to start any ideas coz i cant live like this much longer

[marycarmel]

Are you misusing your medications?  Or are you taking them as directed?  Do you still have pain?  I was on Fentanyl for about 7 months.  It definitely wasn't the drug for me.  I feel it made a mess of me.  I asked my docs to taper me down but they weren't that interested in that so I essentially did it myself.

If you want to get off, you should be able to ask your doctor to wean you off properly.  You'll get lots of support and suggestions here.

[scaredmommy2005]

I was on the patch 7 years ago and getting off of it was no fun at all. I took it as I was suppose to but since then I have learned that medication is for terminal patients. so they dont have to come off of it. if you can answer all the questions mary asked you I am sure somebody could offer your more advice.

[theboy967]

hi for 6 months iv been taking wat thay surgest its only the past month iv uped the patch by hundred mills thay stoped workin i was in withdraw ever day sins i put it up hundred its a bit beter but i no thats no good.as regards to pain i dont no if im still in pain as im takin so much.iv spoke to the pain team i said iv had enougth this is terible he said let me think about it ill write a leter to you.uuurrrrgggge this made me so frustrated this is why im on here askin if i no wat to expect then ill giv it a go coz i cant carry on like this

[marycarmel]

I'm a little confused.  It sounds like you have a real pain issue and need some relief from your pain.  If that's the case, there's a pain management forum here that you may find helpful.  There's also a big difference between being addicted to a medication and being dependent.  Anyone who takes pain medication for a long time will become physically dependent.  It seems as though you've been prescribed the Fentanyl.  The doctors can taper you down from that slowly and may cover you with other medications.  Sorry I'm not so clear on your situation.  There are a lot of great suggestions here for withdrawal symptoms.  I hope you can find the answers you're looking for.

[theboy967]

hi anouther question is it normal to be geting hot flushes all the time the only time i dont get them is wen i put 200 mills on of fentanyl whitch is suposed to last 70 odd houres well it last,s 5 houres with me then the flush,s start it goes from hot to cold fluses iv tryd changing the way i take my patches i,e 100 mills then the next day 50 then the next day 50 but the hole time i done that i felt awfull so i have to put 200 on every 24 houres basicly and im still filling poo..my main question is the fluses withdraw simptons is there something i could take to stop it anyone no?

[marycarmel]

It sounds as though you really need some close medical supervision.  Playing with the Fentanyl doses is very dangerous.  Some people do metabolize medications more quickly than others, but that's not something that happens a lot.  Are you trying to come off the Fentanyl or are you trying to find the right dose for your pain?  In either case, the best thing is to be honest with your physician and let them either adjust the dose properly (or change to a different medication if this isn't right for you) or will taper you off it.  There's also help with withdrawals here.  Lots of people use the Thomas Recipe and it helps withdrawal symptoms.

[theboy967]

ok thank you wat it is i no im dependant on the doctors arnt givin me much help at the min thay are lookin into things but i dont no how long that will be.wat im doin is gathering nolage myself so wen i do see the doctor im one step ahead because i dont want to be on these anymore i wont be strong enougth to taper them down so ill need them to give me something to countre act the withdraw and put me on something els.i am allways honest with wat i take 5 years ago i went into rehab for alcohol abuse so i no about dependancy i just fill my doctors are a bit slow in coming forward as regards for pain i think im fine im over the worst so i want to come of the opiats if im still in pain then go onto something els not opeats sorry i cant spell very well.so yeah im trying to get as much nolage as i can then im going to make an opintment and say iv got to come off under supervision because im not strong enougth on my own especialy as iv got a box full aswell us adicts like to horder i would have great pleashure in burning them at the end of this.i hope your starting to get a beter picture mary im not the best at explaining but im not geting much help from the doctors so thank you

[marycarmel]

You're heading in the right direction with gaining knowledge and also being honest with the doctors.  Fentanyl can be hard to taper off, but it can be done.  I had been on it for pain management and didn't feel it was a good medicine for me.  I tapered slowly with using other medications, under doctor's supervision somewhat (they didn't really want me to come off it.)  Look into the Thomas Recipe for help with any withdrawal symptoms.  Sometimes, even if you taper, you wind up in mild or moderate withdrawals.  Staying hydrated is very important and there are things you can do to help with that.  No worries on the spelling.  

[theboy967]

thank you for geting back these few times ill look into that recipe now sounds interstting

[theboy967]

hello people and mary is the thing you ask me to look at the A2X stuff is that the recipe if its not i dont understand i was just reading about outher peoples detox again im i lookin for a recipe wat is it lol my brain has just been totaly blown with this one its like a siv as it is now im looking for a recipe and i get the imprshion its not a recipe atoll can somone shed some light on the situ p.s im dislexic so i get a pass for being thik and not seeing wats in froint of me lol

[lulu747]

http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Thomas-Recipe-Re-Posted/show/16?cid=66

Here is the Thomas Recipe...You are on very high doses of fentanyl and should not go off without your doctor's supervision.  There are other medications that help with opiate detox that they can prescribe like clonidine.  Please take good loving care of yourself and keep posting!

Sending support...
Lu

[gnarly_1]

HI........well it time to get off them if your getting withdrawals between patched and a 70hr dose is only lasting 5hr you could go to your doctor and have hime work out a taper plan im a little reluctant to tell you to go C/T because of your health problems best to ask the doctor for a taper plan and give the patches to someone you trust to give to you according to the plan let us know what the doctor says again to many health problems to risk just jumping off.......Gnarly

[theboy967]

thank you i no about the thomas recipe i dident no that was wat its called iv done similar bringing myself of booz and crak in the past WELL in the past im just going to have it out with my doctor because i shouldent fill like this i put 100 mills on last night before bed i allready had 150 on so iv got 250 at the min and i fill awfull hes got to put me on something els.thanx for all your coments

[theboy967]

hi iv been to my doctor he is usless he,s just a gp he says wait till the pain team have writen to me i told him im basicly havin to put on 300 mills every 3 days well 100 mills every day on turnround if you no wat i mean i put hundred on every day and leave them on so iv constantly got 3 patches on.i told him i still get the sweats and fill horible drug wize .pain wize im fine i think im just sufering from being adicted to the patches thers no pain anymore the only pain i get is the pain that comes with the patches.its like im banging my head agauinst the wall im going to have to tell someone wat im doin and giv them a key and just come off i cant live like this anymore no one is listning.sorry im havin patch frustration lol

[theboy967]

sorry i dident mean you lot arnt listening i meant the people i speak to on the outside in real life i call it lol

[theboy967]

is it normal or does anyone els fill wat im filling now iv just eaten and its made me all hot flushi and horid iv changed my cloths and put my dresing gown on iv got 300 mills on i shouldent be withdrawing untill tomorow.its making me not want to eat does anyone els get this?

[marycarmel]

It could also be that you're feeling like this because you have too much Fentanyl in your system.  Shame on your GP to not help you with this, especially since he knows how many patches you're putting on.  While you're waiting for the pain clinic, can you see some at an emergency room or an urgent care?  Maybe you could call the pharmacist and see if he has any suggestions for something for the sweating ... maybe some all-natural product.  I wish I had better suggestions for you.  What you're doing is so worrisome.  

[theboy967]

also my ears are death a ning i got tenitis from djing years ago i could live with that but with these patches the ringing in my ears is out ragouse it keeps me awake at night its that load has anyone had anything like that is there something to stop the ringin sory for all the questions

[joefranklin55]

dude you need to go to the ER you got way too much of that stuff in ya you need a medical detox or medical supervision. go to the ER sounds like your going to pass away please dont let that happen

[theboy967]

allright joe calm your pashion.you no how to make someone panik thank you for that.thats the reason im on here silly i no its not right can you kindly keep your views to yourself

[Jaybay]

You are seriously playing with fire the way you're using the patches.  You're getting hot/ cold flashes because you are over- rather than under-medicated.  The way you're using them now should mean that you run out early every month.  How are you handling that?

I spent over 6 years on the fentanyl patch for chronic pain and finally weaned myself off them about 3 months ago so I know how difficult it can be.  Although addiction issues and detox are supposed to be part of a pain doc's scope of practice, my personal experience tells me it's not something most of them concern themselves with.  My doctor was no exception so I took the bull by the horns myself.  I used the flat, non-gel pouch patches and cut tiny slivers off each time I put on a new one and was able to avoid debillitating withdrawal symptoms.  It took a couple tries to make the final jump but I finally did it.  Funny how I really though that cr*p was a miracle in the beginning and also funny how I feel better without it than with it.  

I've lived with chronic pain and nausea and countless surgeries since 1998, and during that time I've learned that the most effective pain management takes place in the mind.  Just as we have to accept feeling like shite for a while as we detox, pain patients have to learn to accept a new normal where pain is concerned.  Like anything else in life, it's a struggle but well worth the effort.

[marycarmel]

I don't think joefranklin was trying to panic you.  But when I read your posts, I felt a bit panicked.  You really are playing with fire.  JayBay gave you fantastic advice.  She helped me tremendously when I was coming off Fentanyl.  It's not always easy but it can be manageable. If you have those type of patches, cutting it away a sliver at a time can be the best way to wean off.  (Of course, if you have the gel-filled patches, NEVER cut them as it can release all the medication and you can overdose or even die)

The mind is our biggest asset in pain control.  And distraction.  Keeping busy will help to keep you from thinking of the pain.  I've come off more medications than I can count.  I still am on a very low dose of a narcotic but I'm hoping to get off that as well.  I was afraid of how bad my pain will be but it's actually better than when I was on very high doses of many narcotics.

The tinnitus is frustrating.  I have it as well, probably from many concerts as a kid and from my work.  I find when there's silence it's much worse so I usually have on background noise, whether it's the TV or radio.  I have a friend who has it and she has a noise machine that she sets to peaceful sounds ... rain, birds chirping, the ocean, etc.  It may help.

Please try AA or NA.  You could get a sponsor and I think that would be a big help for you.  This is a great forum but you need someone in real life to help you with this.

And JayBay is right ... many doctors prescribe these meds but really don't know how get people off them.  But it can be done and you can do it!!!!

Please think about what people are saying to you.  We're concerned about you.

[theboy967]

thanks for all the coments first iv done 4 to 5 years in the aa and na rooms i no all about the suport thay give its not for me im afraid i dont like the way thay cary on it turns into anouther adiction just going to the meetings and your constantly livin as an alian evry day talkin to god and copias amounts of phone calls to people you wouldent realy talk to if you wernt an adict im not being horible towrds them.i did get a lot of help in the rooms i listend and after 4 years i took out of the meetings wat i needed to and moved on to anouther chapter in my life.then i had the accident and bang im adicted to the patches .i dident want to go back in the rooms and go threw all that again the thought of havin to do that has just made me say bollox im of im strong enougth i dont want to be on them im not in pain thay are just making me worse.watch this space.oh as regards to running out each month i have loads no fear of running out.the key to being a good adict is to menipulate situations to the best of your ability so you dont havr to worry wear your naxt fix is coming from im very good at this.i dont want to do this anymore so im stoping ill keep you all informed on how im doing whish me luck and thers a loud of patches here if someones intersted save me throwing them away i no thats rong thing to say but i dont want to see them go to waist all my hard work in geting them it just seems like a waist of time now im rambling and starting to get on my ownb nerve,s THANK YOU im now detoxing wish me luck .i dont think i can cut them im just going to come down 50 at a time and youes diazepam to stop the worst of the detoxing filling i.e sleep and the over active mind **** wats your faults on doing that.

[theboy967]

thank you i do take in everones coments and views yours has helped  like i said a second ago im coming of now today is the last day of stiking 300 to myslf im cuting down 50 mills a day and youesing diazepam to get over the worst ill keep you informed.