Is your doctor a neuro-endo at a pituitary center? If not, find one. If yes, find another.
You also need to find a super duper experienced surgeon.
Your current doc - as a pit patient myself I can tell you that pit tumors DO cause headaches, insomnia, thyroid issues and a whole host of issues that seem very unrelated but are related only to the tumor. So your doctor does not seem to be up on the latest with pituitary tumors.
I hope you have copies of all your tests so you can easily shop for another doctor. It is horrid that we are forced to look for care when we least have the energy for it, but that is the fate we have. I do hope you find the right doctor for you. It took me a long time - but it paid off.
HI my name is rhonda,I have been diagnosed with the micro tumor,was 5mm last checked,I go to MRI for the 2nd time for them to do test with and without contrast,to see if it has changed.I have problems w 3 different types migraine,vision blurring,Dark green secretions in breast,seizures,no energy,spend 5-6 days in bed out of 7> my physician finally linked all these through testing some things then referring me to endo doc., I have had 6 years of thyroid showing up hyper,hypo and normal.When i first went to endo,they said hyper thyroid,(but i had had significant weight gain) she gave me a script and before i could fill it she calls says STOP those meds,test showed up normal. That she believes it to be thyroiditis.I was told they wanted me to have 2nd mri done 6 monts after that appointment its been 8 monts.In this time i have been going through more and more severe headaches,that knock me unconscious,and seizures worsening,with added twist of me screaming at top of lungs in process of seizing.Vision worsening,everything worse. I went to endo doc,her pa told me they would test me on prolactin again,and thyroid,again thyroid normal,They were supposed to make me an appointment with a neuro-surgeon. Today i get letter saying that my test was normal and make an appointment in next couple months to discuss tumor. This note was sent before 2nd mri comparisons,no mention of the appointment of the neuro surgeon In mean time i have not been on any meds for thyroid,or tumor,nothing.. I have had to go get shots to knock me out and try sleep through worse pains.I just want it out.I can feel that its pushing on optical nerves,not to mention sinuses.My physician has put me on higher pain meds,(She said wanted me comfortable till i got that neuro surgeon visit)that keep me knocked out and looney headed,. Im completely debilitated,and endo doc says tumor is not responsible for headaches,seizures,no sleep,shaky hands,weight unstable.vision blurriness,and that tumor is to small to be removed. I call ******** on her theories. They've said is secreting prolactin,is causing (thyroid storms) and fatigue.I have researched everything i can find,on this and every symptom i have is listed. I dont understand why she will not do anything for me. I am at end of what i can endure with this,this is no life,it just marking time.Do they think the things are gonna shrink and clear up on their own,?..I look sick,sking scaly looking,hair coming out,problems w teeth,Hell problems with every thing,Down to not being able to urinate because of the secretions. What do i get? A note saying thyroid normal this time again,check in with us in couple months to discuss the tumor. I mean really WTH? Do i just lay here in bed waiting for an anuerism,or worse.? How can i get this arrogant doc to listen to me.Or how do i bypass her to get an appointment w a neuro-surgeon? When they told me 5 days ago that would make appt with the surgeon,i acually cried in office with relief that finally something was gonna start moving.Then i get note and now i have no clue if the're setting up a neuro surgeon,waiting for 2nd MRI's or why i should make an appointment to go back to endo to discuss tumor in couple months. This is sucking me dry on hope,or ever seeing any relief in sight. When its at it worse, if id had gun i would have cheerfully blown my brains out just to get the pain to stop. Have any of you had these things happen? Any advice at all? Or someone whose been given run around like this.
How do i get them to take it out? Wits end here people.
Did your doctor run other tests other than prolactin? Are you aware that you need to be on that medication probably for the rest of your life?
You probably need a pituitary MRI to see the size of the tumor to make sure all is well - and thyroid tests to make sure the source is pituitary and not another reason (prolactin can be raised for many reasons).
You may want to consult a neuro-endo at a pituitary center. That way you can get a full set of testing, a proper dynamic MRI and monitoring like you need.
There may also be some other treatment options.
Yes this has been very frustrating. Don't know if you read rest of my posts but I had my tumor removed in April. Headache gone instantly! I had a rare tumor and it was more the location and that it attached to meninges and had 4 points of hemmorage that caused my headache. My pit is damaged now so I'm watched closely thank god. But I'm so greatful. I see a pit doctor and a surgeon. Endos haven't been very helpful to me. Did u see a surgeon?
You know your body best so don't let doctor's tell you different. I also have a pituitary tumor was diagnosed about 10 years ago. Since day one I have told my endocrinologist that I have severe headaches daily that can get so intense that I can't even function, I just lay in bed crying. I was told that a pituitary tumor doesn't cause headaches, but within a 6 months of treatment my headaches mellowed to every 3-4 days and the migraines were only about one a month instead of weekly. Still to this day he looks at me like I am making it up when I mention my headaches, but every time he tries to decrease my meds or I don't take them for a week waiting for a paycheck my headaches increase, and my labs show an increase in prolactin levels. Over the years I have been able to find a good balance with the right meds, good eating habits and regular exercise and now I only have a headaches every couple of months and they rarely hit a debilitating intensity anymore.
I also have PCOS, and recently at an eye exam learned that there is a cyst on the back side of my eye. I don't think any of this is coincidence. I haven't been able to find the link to the eye yet, but the PCOS makes sense because it is caused by your hormone going haywire and when your prolactin is up to 1400 you are bound to affect all hormones downstream...which is all of them by the way.
I had a terrible time with all the medications that the doctor tried at first, Metformin made me throw up all day, I couldn't eat for a week before I decided to switch it up. Then he tried a second option, I forgot the name but I saw no result, my prolactin actually increased during that month. Finally he put me on my current medication, Dostinex (Cabergoline), I had to start with half a pill once a week and work up to a full pill twice a week because when I tried to take the full dose right out of the gate the world started spinning. I couldn't walk a straight line and when I stopped moving it felt like I was on a boat and I had to hold on to things to keep from falling over. Once I got to the full dose after a long process of baby steps my headaches got much better and my mood and emotional stability was drastically improved.
I guess my point is everyone will react differently to different medications, but don't accept that you have to take one that doesn't work for you, do your research and take part in your treatment. It may annoy your doctor a bit, but you have to make sure you are getting the best treatment for YOU. If your body outright rejects it then demand another option, if you just have some weird side affects like the room spinning then try a lower dose and work up as your body let you. Listen to your body, it really is the best judge, if you stress your system trying to make a med work that just isn't right, it only puts added stress on your system making you feel worse.
I know it can be a long, frustrating path to better health, but when you feel like yourself again all that stress seems well worth it. Best of luck in your quest to a healthier you.
Oh well then... I hope you don't gain a bunch of weight back (unless you need to of course).
They should at some point do a stim test to make sure your adrenals are up to snuff when you wean off next time.
Yes had different tests done in Columbia. Last two were low.
You should have to go on it for the tests, not for weight reasons... that is a bit odd to me. Are your tests showing you are low? Did you have a stim test?
Yeah, weaning was the worst!!!
I was on it after surgery and then off it. Now I need to go back on. Weight loss is too rapid she said. I did great on it but coming off was not fun. I still lactated post surgey for about a month but now nothing at all. I'm a happy girl.
I am so glad that you were persistent! I know a lot of people that had supposedly normal scans and when a surgeon read them the doc found a tumor.
I hope the hydrocortisone is temporary as your pituitary recovers - it is standard after the surgery. Sorry - but the wean is not fun. You may have to be on other meds with pit damage. I am panhypopit so I replace a lot myself.
Hi guys
It's been a while since I've been on. Well, I had this tumor removed on April 9! My health was severely declining and I reached out to a top surgeon in NYC mt sinei. I emailed him my history and Within two hours I was at his office. He was appalled that no one referred me to a surgeon and after looking at my original MRI from 4 years ago that was supposedly negative, the tumor was there the entire time, it was not only 6 months old. He saw shadowing fluid and the tumor was much larger than the report said. In 3 days I was in getting this out! When I woke up I had no headache at all! ( alot of pain in my face and I looked like I was hit by a bus) but no headache! I ended up having a rare tumor and it took a lot of pathology to figure out what it was. It was rock hard and had a weird pattern. Post surgery he questioned whether it was an adenoma at all. It was posterior and connected to the menengies and difficult to remove. But it's gone and I'm a new girl! It ended up staining positive for for gh and prolactin as well. It had 3 points of hemmorage which did damage my pit gland. But I'm dealing with that fine. Cortisone and steroids are next.
I'm also now in a study for this in Columbia medical in NYC The doctor is amazing.
If anyone is as desperate as I was , I reccomend highly. Dr Post is my angel.
I find it just a little weird that they think the pituitary is not related when a lot of your symptoms still seem... pituitary... plus MEN-x is a endocrine aka pituitary disease so... that kinda baffles me a bit.
There are other forums here for some cancers which you may have to branch out to as I don't know if we can help cover all your concerns - but we do want you to keep us updated on what is going on with your ovaries etc. It is very worrying that you have lost so much weight and they have not pinpointed the cause of the issues. Please take care.
In terms of the pit gland they might be right? It.s good that u r getting this other scan. Hopefully it will shed some light on what is happening. A good friend of mine just had a ruptured cyst along with tumor markers too. She is still in a diagnostic stage for this but her docs are saying the cyst is the cause.
the pancreas makes hormones that you need to process food. sometimes those enzymes and such can be replaced. Has ur doc connected the pancreas to ur low weight?
sending a hug
horselip
Hi All. It's been a while and now they are testing me for ovarian cancer. The multiple cysts that were found on my ovaries now have tumor markers. My breasts ate still making cysts and septations and milk. I'm still losing weight 87 lbs now. They are saying this pit tumor is not doing this. My reproductive endo thought I had a big big prolactin tumor which was why he put me on calborgene but there was no change and It made me very sick. So now they are saying non secreting tumor that isn't doing this stuff at all. My gi doc sent me for an MRI of my abdomen yesterday to check for other causes of the nausea no appetite and weight loss. I had extensive blood tests and some pancreatic issues showed up indicating function of the organ itself. Anything any thoughts at all?
Thanks for the update. You've come a long way in just this last month.
It sounds like you have decent doctors now and that is key! Keep plowing forward and keep your head up. Being undaignosed is the worst part i think. You are truly a medical mystery. Someone should do a TV show about your case so you can make some big bucks ha ha
Sending you a virtual hug from Hawaii-
Horselip
One can be rather complex... I had PCOS and lot of female issues with my pituitary issues, and it made my hormonal panels come up stranger than my other pituitary buddies.
Re Cushing's syndrome vs disease - the *overall* is called syndrome no matter the source, and disease is reserved, or should be, for only pituitary sourced hypercortisolism. So a 24 hour urine test will tell the doctor that high cortisol is present, but will not give an indication of source. Source testing should also be done - that can be ACTH, adrenal testing, dex suppression (which is a good source test, not a good exclusion test), and of course imaging - and none of the tests are perfect...
I never had kids, but from my own lacation, I know the milk can differ in color and texture (ewwwww!) so.... not sure why that can knock out a prolactinoma, but they tried that with me too and they were wrong - but it took 12 years to prove it...
All the testing is no fun anyway.... keep at it.
Hi guys havent been on in a while bc I'm still in this diagnosis process. Good news is that I have two great drs. One endo and one reproductive endo. My tests for these rare endo diseases are not all back yet but my CBC was not sO great I had low red cell count and high white cells , potassium was low sodium was low and calcium was elevated. Had an ultrasound of ovary and ovary has failed but has alot of cysts. He was looking for a specific tumor that secrets lh bc of my lh level and FSH. I have the reversal so clinically I have pcos but not really as u all know what these tumors can say. Theory was that possibly have big big prolactin issue but shot down bc a prolactin tumor doesn't do the rest of this stuff. So now I'm waiting for rest of results and going for a MRI of my abdomen to look for tumors or hyperplasia on pancreas or ovary. I'm also doing a 24 hr urine catch to check cushings syndrome which differed from cushings disease or something like that ? Breast discharge is very mucosy rather than milky so that's another concern the doc in ny has. She is now gearing toward this lh glycoprotein tumor pending the test of these rare disease tests and mri So I'm still in the rule out process.
Men-1 is a genetic disorder - so they should run a DNA test. BTW there are many different types of MEN (I call mine MEN-JEN as a joke - I don't have MEN but I have a lot of tumors and my name is Jennifer) and sub-types so even if you test negative, you may have another type or sub-type and the test is expensive so they may not want to cover all the testing.
Even if it is *secondary growth*, it still should be treated and you have to look at family members for others with similar issues. Any parathyroid or calcium issues?
I would still think though... even though it is MEN - that the pituitary is causing the issues... strange!
Went to Cornell yesterday. They confirmed that this tumor is not the cause of this. How she explained it made sense. They are still not giving up though like the other doc. They are testing me for a disease called men-1. Especially bc of the pancreatic metaplasia. They think that this tumor is a secondary growth just like the others.
Not sure how to take this but at least they are trying.
Oh good, it sounds like you have some docs on your side and support from a dear friend. That is great.
I didn't know that you were on bromo. so yes, that would push the prolactin down more. Combine that with the low Thyroid and sex hormones and you might very well be hypopit from this cyst/adenoma thing.
Sounds like you have regrouped and set up another plan. Excellent. Nice to have some docs on your side. And to be told that you are "interesting" to boot, what a compliment :)
Horselip
I had the PCOS and Cushing's and prolactinoma combo... it was ... not nice...
I hope the doctor can help you.
Ok guys so- I went today to my ob because he wanted to tell me to get a different endo. He read her report and consulted with a reproductive endo and my hormones are not normal at all. My FSH and LH are high and being that other numbers indicate that I don't ovulate at all, absolutely no ovulation taking place in the one ovary I have its clear to see these hormones ate abnormal . My TSH and my t free 4 were abnormal and my sugar is high. SO now today I was diagnosed with poly cystic ovarian syndrome with no uterus and one ovary that doesn't ovulate therefore he said this tumor is a secreting tumor and he said my prolactin was taken when I was on bromocriptine and the numbers still went up 6 points . Sooo in the meantime I got a phone call from my friend that has been helping me and I'm going into Cornell Wiell in NYC tomorrow ! Apparently I am a very interesting case - I'm going to see her take on my case and I'm also going to see this reproductive endo that my ob consulted with. He too told my ob this case is very interesting and he would like to take me on as a patient. I figured it can't hurt. We r still trying to locate my cortisol blood work nc he didn't get that copy either. I know it was ordered. Oh and the pancreatic metaplasia plays into the hormones too.
Thanks for all the support
Ok guys so- I went today to my ob because he wanted to tell me to get a different endo. He read her report and consulted with a reproductive endo and my hormones are not normal at all. My FSH and LH are high and being that other numbers indicate that I don't ovulate at all, absolutely no ovulation taking place in the one ovary I have its clear to see these hormones ate abnormal . My TSH and my t free 4 were abnormal and my sugar is high. SO now today I was diagnosed with poly cystic ovarian syndrome with no uterus and one ovary that doesn't ovulate therefore he said this tumor is a secreting tumor and he said my prolactin was taken when I was on bromocriptine and the numbers still went up 6 points . Sooo in the meantime I got a phone call from my friend that has been helping me and I'm going into Cornell Wiell in NYC tomorrow ! Apparently I am a very interesting case - I'm going to see her take on my case and I'm also going to see this reproductive endo that my ob consulted with. He too told my ob this case is very interesting and he would like to take me on as a patient. I figured it can't hurt. We r still trying to locate my cortisol blood work nc he didn't get that copy either. I know it was ordered. Oh and the pancreatic metaplasia plays into the hormones too.
Thanks for all the support
The Sex hormone ranges depend on what stage of your cycle you are in. I don't think you even cycle??? so don't know how to interpret given that.
The IGF looks ok, so you are probably not running high on that one. I was more worried that one might be high for you...because of the "growths"
The ones that I am more curious about now, are your thyroid labs and cortisol as they "could" be more linked to the symptoms that you have.
Move on, get another doc.
Sending a virtual hug
Horselip