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Major Earthquake hits Japan
8.9 and about 6 mile deep, nuclear reactors not cooling and a tsunami warning all along the west coast of america. It triggered a massive tsunami with waves as hgh as 30 feet. Hawasii on standby for first wave and has experienced its own small earthquake. This be bad folks, reall reall bad. tsunami warning issued for 20 countries around quake.
They definately have not been honest about the situation and it would appear that some of the people have been put out to pasture. I saw a hospital interviewed this morning on the news and it was "in the zone". No medicine, food or water and they feel like they have been literally given a death sentence and will not get help.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/739005?sssdmh=dm1.673234&src=nldne
Mike
Mike
Chernobyl Clean-Up Expert Slams Japan, IAEA
By Michael Shields
VIENNA (Reuters) Mar 15 - Greed in the nuclear industry and corporate influence over the U.N. watchdog for atomic energy may doom Japan to a spreading nuclear disaster, one of the men brought in to clean up Chernobyl said on Tuesday.
Slamming the Japanese response at Fukushima, Russian nuclear accident specialist Iouli Andreev accused corporations and the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of willfully ignoring lessons from the world's worst nuclear accident 25 years ago to protect the industry's expansion.
"After Chernobyl all the force of the nuclear industry was directed to hide this event, for not creating damage to their reputation. The Chernobyl experience was not studied properly because who has money for studying? Only industry."
"But industry doesn't like it," he said in an interview in Vienna where the former director of the Soviet Spetsatom clean-up agency now teaches and advises on nuclear safety. Austria's environment ministry has used him as an adviser.
Andreev said a fire which released radiation on Tuesday involving spent fuel rods stored close to reactors at Fukushima looked like an example of putting profit before safety:
"The Japanese were very greedy and they used every square inch of the space. But when you have a dense placing of spent fuel in the basin you have a high possibility of fire if the water is removed from the basin," Andreev said.
The IAEA should share blame for standards, he said, arguing it was too close to corporations building and running plants. And he dismissed an emergency incident team set up by the Vienna-based agency as "only a think-tank not a working force":
"This is only a fake organization because every organization which depends on the nuclear industry - and the IAEA depends on the nuclear industry - cannot perform properly.
"It always will try to hide the reality.
"The IAEA ... is not interested in the concentration of attention on a possible accident in the nuclear industry. They are totally not interested in all the emergency organizations."
The IAEA had no immediate comment on Andreev's criticism.
Andreev said he understood all too well what the Japanese authorities in Fukushima were going through, and that creative solutions would be needed to contain the leaks.
"It is a situation of quiet panic. I know this situation," he said. "Discipline is the main thing in the industry but the emergency service requires creativity, requires some kind of even fantasy and improvisation."
By Michael Shields
VIENNA (Reuters) Mar 15 - Greed in the nuclear industry and corporate influence over the U.N. watchdog for atomic energy may doom Japan to a spreading nuclear disaster, one of the men brought in to clean up Chernobyl said on Tuesday.
Slamming the Japanese response at Fukushima, Russian nuclear accident specialist Iouli Andreev accused corporations and the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of willfully ignoring lessons from the world's worst nuclear accident 25 years ago to protect the industry's expansion.
"After Chernobyl all the force of the nuclear industry was directed to hide this event, for not creating damage to their reputation. The Chernobyl experience was not studied properly because who has money for studying? Only industry."
"But industry doesn't like it," he said in an interview in Vienna where the former director of the Soviet Spetsatom clean-up agency now teaches and advises on nuclear safety. Austria's environment ministry has used him as an adviser.
Andreev said a fire which released radiation on Tuesday involving spent fuel rods stored close to reactors at Fukushima looked like an example of putting profit before safety:
"The Japanese were very greedy and they used every square inch of the space. But when you have a dense placing of spent fuel in the basin you have a high possibility of fire if the water is removed from the basin," Andreev said.
The IAEA should share blame for standards, he said, arguing it was too close to corporations building and running plants. And he dismissed an emergency incident team set up by the Vienna-based agency as "only a think-tank not a working force":
"This is only a fake organization because every organization which depends on the nuclear industry - and the IAEA depends on the nuclear industry - cannot perform properly.
"It always will try to hide the reality.
"The IAEA ... is not interested in the concentration of attention on a possible accident in the nuclear industry. They are totally not interested in all the emergency organizations."
The IAEA had no immediate comment on Andreev's criticism.
Andreev said he understood all too well what the Japanese authorities in Fukushima were going through, and that creative solutions would be needed to contain the leaks.
"It is a situation of quiet panic. I know this situation," he said. "Discipline is the main thing in the industry but the emergency service requires creativity, requires some kind of even fantasy and improvisation."
oh lordy what rock have you been under ...lol By the way be careful if you get Iodine tabs I took some drops a few weeks ago and it made me really sick its not good for everyone .,if you have allegies or thyroid problems ....eat Sea veg , make sushi
Wait... there was an earthquake in Japan?
The H3LL you say!!!
The H3LL you say!!!
After seeing what these poor people are going thru, I am so grateful for my own problems. I will trade no one! Prayers for the people of Japan!!!
I see there was an exposure of one of the fuel rods at fukushima plant, reactor number two, and another explosion over night. Yet they also say they sent for robots to fix the things because it is too hot for people to get to, to check to see exactly how bad things are, so am I the only one confused? I think there is a cover up going on, I do..... Hope I am wrong as the jet stream is blowing this way....
I also read that there is a 70 percent chance of japan getting an aftershock of a 7 or more for three days and then on the 16th that chance drops to 50 percent. What do you do when everyone you knew and loved and everything you had in life just disappear? I hope I never find out.
I also read that there is a 70 percent chance of japan getting an aftershock of a 7 or more for three days and then on the 16th that chance drops to 50 percent. What do you do when everyone you knew and loved and everything you had in life just disappear? I hope I never find out.
Just turned on CNN and don't have all the details, but apparantly there was just another aftershock and they are once again on Tsunami warning...will it ever end for these poor people? And so far about 160 people have tested positive for radiation. It just doesn't seem to end for them. I haven't been able to follow this that closely over the weekend, so perhaps the aftershocks and warnings are an ongoing thing. But either way, enough is enough...I hope all of this ends soon for them.
The link I gave is to a japanese television station. Check it out
JAPAN: VOLCANO IN ERUPTION southeast of the country
(AGI) - Tokyo, March 13 - After the Tsunami and the ongoing nuclear alarm, has begun to wake up the Japanese volcano Shinmoedake after two weeks of inactivity '.
Ash and lapilli can be glimpsed from a distance of four kilometers into the air, witnesses told local. The volcano, from a height of 1,421 meters, had awakened after 52 years last January, then March 1 Afterwards' was quiet for two weeks. It 'probably just the tsunami has stimulated its activity'. The authorities' while maintaining the level of 'warning' to three out of five and have blocked access to the mountain.
http://www.agi.it/estero/notizie/201103131443-est-rt10034-giappone_eruzione_vulcano_nel_sudest_del_paese
The earthquake must have triggered the volcano erruption. I went to try to find it and thought I saw something that said Russia and Indonesia also had volcano eruptions, triggered by this earthquake? A lot of unrest in the earth right now.
I know we have or are in the process of sending a team over as well. The International Red Cross is also very very involved. In my opinion one of the best relief organizations..not perfect, but they are good. I can't believe they are enduring even more. Time to check the news again I guess...It's almost surreal..one thing after another for them. So many dead. So incredibly tragic.
Where was the volcano eruption, Teko? Did this just happen?
I know there's some relief organizations here in Colorado who either already left or were on their way over there.
I know there's some relief organizations here in Colorado who either already left or were on their way over there.
You won't believe this, but when we moved from Japan to go back to the States, we had Japanese packers come in and pack us up. BEST PACKKERS WE'VE EVER HAD!!! No kidding! They packed everything up very carefully and get this....you know how packers usually trapse dirt and stuff in by going in and out of your house to the moving truck? Well, when these packers were all done, they had brought a broom with them and actually swept up after themselves! I had never seen anything like this! They were the best packers we've ever had. We didn't have one thing broken in that move and that was going overseas! Now, on the way OVER there (when we had our stuff packed by American packers), they broke one of our couches (the frame) because they put one couch on top of another. We also had some glass broken from my curio cabinet. Now I know things will get broken sometimes but I tell you, the Japanese packers we had in Japan really were the best, more respectful, clean and careful packers we'd ever had!
Now they got a volcano eruption in Japan! I am dead serious. It is located about a thousand miles from the epicenter of the quake and they are not sure if the two are connected! I cannot even believe what all these people have gone thru in the last 3 days! Those poor people! I did hear that 63 countries have offered help, so hopefully things will begin to turn around shortly now. Whew!
The very best roommate I ever had was a Japanese exchange student. In my early 20's I shared a house with 2 others. We wanted a 4th roommate and she answered our ad. She was the cleanest person in the house...always cleaned up after herself immediately. While the rest of us sometimes argued about what to watch on TV that night, she was always incredibly accomadating. She studied hard and did not have a lazy bone in her body. I love the Japanese culture and what it stands for. Honor, honesty and hard work seems to be their mantra. I respect them a great deal as a people.
Don't forget, we have a lot of military troops over there too and two bases that I can think of that's close to there so it's Americans and Japanese who are affected, though more Japanese, of course.
Margy, when you talked about how stoic and polite the Japanese are it got me to thinking. That's what I loved about the people there. They are so polite above all else. It's very much ingrained in them, that even if you offended them, they will apologize to you to keep the peace.
I saw this in my paper this morning and it goes with what I just said. Thought you all might be interested in reading it:
POLITENESS INTACT AS ALL ELSE CRUMBLES
"Tokyo - She was elderly and alone, injured and in pain. When the massive earthquake struck, a heavy bookshelf toppled onto Hiroko Yamashita, pinning her down and shattering her ankle.
When paramedics finally reached her, agonizing hours later, Yamashita did what she said any "normal" person would do, her son-in-law recounted later: she apologized to them for the inconvenience, and asked if there weren't others they should be attending to first.
Japan's earthquake left a trail of destruction. But it barely made a dent in the implacably Japanese trait of exhibiting concern for others even in the worst of circumstances.
The Japanese language is full of ritual apologies. At a time of crisis, such politesse can be the glue that holds the country together."
I think a lot of us Americans could learn something from the Japanese. Many of us have forgotten our manners or forgotten to think of others first. I know in my grandmother's time, they were more like that. I could tell, because that's how my grandmother was. She could be in great pain but always thought of and put others above herself.
Another thing I've always admired about the Japanese, the treat their elderly with dignity and look up to them as having more wisdom, etc. Nursing homes are rare there as most take in their elderly parents and take care of them in their homes.
I used to love watching the children walk to school in their little uniforms. They'd go to cross the street and hold up a hand and people were expected to stop! And they did! And then after they crossed, they'd turn around and bow at you! It was so cute. Crime was really low there too. I couldn't believe that little children would walk and take the train all by themselves. I think it is changing, though. I haven't been there in several years, but it's still one of the lowest in crime in the world, if I remember correctly.
Margy, when you talked about how stoic and polite the Japanese are it got me to thinking. That's what I loved about the people there. They are so polite above all else. It's very much ingrained in them, that even if you offended them, they will apologize to you to keep the peace.
I saw this in my paper this morning and it goes with what I just said. Thought you all might be interested in reading it:
POLITENESS INTACT AS ALL ELSE CRUMBLES
"Tokyo - She was elderly and alone, injured and in pain. When the massive earthquake struck, a heavy bookshelf toppled onto Hiroko Yamashita, pinning her down and shattering her ankle.
When paramedics finally reached her, agonizing hours later, Yamashita did what she said any "normal" person would do, her son-in-law recounted later: she apologized to them for the inconvenience, and asked if there weren't others they should be attending to first.
Japan's earthquake left a trail of destruction. But it barely made a dent in the implacably Japanese trait of exhibiting concern for others even in the worst of circumstances.
The Japanese language is full of ritual apologies. At a time of crisis, such politesse can be the glue that holds the country together."
I think a lot of us Americans could learn something from the Japanese. Many of us have forgotten our manners or forgotten to think of others first. I know in my grandmother's time, they were more like that. I could tell, because that's how my grandmother was. She could be in great pain but always thought of and put others above herself.
Another thing I've always admired about the Japanese, the treat their elderly with dignity and look up to them as having more wisdom, etc. Nursing homes are rare there as most take in their elderly parents and take care of them in their homes.
I used to love watching the children walk to school in their little uniforms. They'd go to cross the street and hold up a hand and people were expected to stop! And they did! And then after they crossed, they'd turn around and bow at you! It was so cute. Crime was really low there too. I couldn't believe that little children would walk and take the train all by themselves. I think it is changing, though. I haven't been there in several years, but it's still one of the lowest in crime in the world, if I remember correctly.
Seriously? They said little immediate effect on human life? Do they think we are all stupid or something? How can a reactor melt down not have an immediate effect. And the long term? They should try telling that to all the people that have died from diseases caused by the exposure...wasn't there a huge increase in cancers, etc? And all the children born with problems? I hate it when people lie to us...tell us the truth and we will deal with it and they need to quit with the cover up garbage.
Sounds similar to what we were dished out with in Europe about Chenobyl ..funny so many died , and so many are sick now from the effects of it ...'dispersed into the atmosphere' ;with little 'immediate' effect on human life ......hummm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23676
3/13/11
Impact on North America:
The Pacific jetstream is currently flowing due east directly toward the United States. In the event of a major meltdown and continuous large-volume radioactive release, airborne particles will be carried across the ocean in bands that will cross over the southern halves of Oregon, Montana and Idaho, all of California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, the Dakotas, northern Nebraska and Iowa and ending in Wisconsin and Illinois, with possible further eastward drift depending on surface wind direction.
Most of the particles can be expected to travel high in the atmosphere, with fallout dependent on low pressure zones, rainfall and temperatures over the US. If a meltdown can be contained in Fukushima, a small amount of particles would be dispersed in the atmosphere with little immediate effect on human and animal health.
Another climate factor to be taken into account is the potential for an El Nino Variable bulging the jetstream further northward, causing fallout over western Canada and a larger number of American states.
Seasonal rainfall over Japan does not normally begin until mid-April and does not become significant until early June.
If very high radiation releases are detected at some point, a potential tactic to lessen contamination of North America is for the US, Canadian and Russian air forces to seed clouds over the northwest Pacific to create a low pressure front and precipitation to minimize particle mass reaching North America.
Following a high-level meeting called by the lame-duck prime minister, Japanese agencies are no longer releasing independent reports without prior approval from the top. The censorship is being carried out following the imposition of the Article 15 Emergency Law. Official silencing of bad news is a polite way of reassuring the public.According to the chief Cabinet Secretary, reactor heat is being lowered and radiation levels are coming down. The Unit 1 reactor container is not cracked despite the explosion that destroyed its building.
The explosion did not erupt out of the reactor.
So what caused the explosion that blasted away the reinforced concrete roof and walls? Silence.
Yes, there's nothing to worry about if residents just stay indoors, turn off their air-cons and don't breathe deeply. Everyone, go back to sleep.
The radiation leak at Fukushima No.1 nuclear plant is now officially designated as a "4" on the international nuclear-events scale of 7. This is the same criticality rating at an earlier minor accident at Tokaimura plant in Ibaraki. Technically, there is no comparison. Tokaimura did not experience a partial meltdown.
Read the entire article following the link above. Interesting read to say the least...
3/13/11
Impact on North America:
The Pacific jetstream is currently flowing due east directly toward the United States. In the event of a major meltdown and continuous large-volume radioactive release, airborne particles will be carried across the ocean in bands that will cross over the southern halves of Oregon, Montana and Idaho, all of California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, the Dakotas, northern Nebraska and Iowa and ending in Wisconsin and Illinois, with possible further eastward drift depending on surface wind direction.
Most of the particles can be expected to travel high in the atmosphere, with fallout dependent on low pressure zones, rainfall and temperatures over the US. If a meltdown can be contained in Fukushima, a small amount of particles would be dispersed in the atmosphere with little immediate effect on human and animal health.
Another climate factor to be taken into account is the potential for an El Nino Variable bulging the jetstream further northward, causing fallout over western Canada and a larger number of American states.
Seasonal rainfall over Japan does not normally begin until mid-April and does not become significant until early June.
If very high radiation releases are detected at some point, a potential tactic to lessen contamination of North America is for the US, Canadian and Russian air forces to seed clouds over the northwest Pacific to create a low pressure front and precipitation to minimize particle mass reaching North America.
Following a high-level meeting called by the lame-duck prime minister, Japanese agencies are no longer releasing independent reports without prior approval from the top. The censorship is being carried out following the imposition of the Article 15 Emergency Law. Official silencing of bad news is a polite way of reassuring the public.According to the chief Cabinet Secretary, reactor heat is being lowered and radiation levels are coming down. The Unit 1 reactor container is not cracked despite the explosion that destroyed its building.
The explosion did not erupt out of the reactor.
So what caused the explosion that blasted away the reinforced concrete roof and walls? Silence.
Yes, there's nothing to worry about if residents just stay indoors, turn off their air-cons and don't breathe deeply. Everyone, go back to sleep.
The radiation leak at Fukushima No.1 nuclear plant is now officially designated as a "4" on the international nuclear-events scale of 7. This is the same criticality rating at an earlier minor accident at Tokaimura plant in Ibaraki. Technically, there is no comparison. Tokaimura did not experience a partial meltdown.
Read the entire article following the link above. Interesting read to say the least...
We havent got any money as a country now but I bet Americans as generous as they always have been will be donating , one thing struck me watching the news.The stoic way the Japanese were quietly getting their water, standing in line comforting each other , no shrieking no wailing, they have accepted it happened and are making the best of it .Not that I wouldn't want to have a shriek or two , if I had been there .This has made my mind up I am outa here , by spring next year the nearest Nuclear Power plant near and around Camp Pendleton is a half hour or so from me , it stands almost on the beach ...Mind you when I lived at Port St Lucie Florida there was also one nearby ...on the beach .....Even where I am if we had a big one here it would take us out no doubt about it ...I haven't dared watch for a few hours ....
Oh my gosh. Given the tiny physical size of Japan, this must be impacting their entire country. How awful. Those poor people. I have only been able to catch bits of the news this weekend, we have been so busy. Time to go turn it on and see what's happening. I wish we could offer more then prayers right now.
I also heard early this am that there is 6 reactors in that vicinity that are unstable because there is no way to cool them. A few minutes ago they said multiple reactors expected to melt down. And they upgraded to a 9 on the quake like margy said. Yikes!!!
Alaska had a 9.2 in 1964 there have been about 5 this has been upgraded to a 9., a 3rd reactor is failing and they expect another explosion ...
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