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Michigan "Right to Work" Bill
Snippets from the article:
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
"LANSING (WWJ) - Ahead of a historic vote in Lansing on legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state, Governor Rick Snyder told WWJ Newsradio 950 it’s all about freedom of choice for workers and bringing new jobs to the state.
Speaking live on-air Tuesday morning, Snyder said the Senate will pass the legislation and he plans to sign it when it reaches his desk.
“I believe it will pass. The house will take up two bills, one for the public sector and one for the private sector, and they should pass those bills today. The bills likely wouldn’t arrive at my desk until the following day,” he said."
"The bottom line in passing the legislation, Snyder said, is giving workers the opportunity to join a union and pay any associated dues if they please, instead of forcing workers to pay union dues as a condition for employment.
“The point here is to give workers a choice, it’s their freedom to choose. And I encourage unions to be very proactive as to presenting the right value case as to why it’s good to join and when they do, I would expect that people do join… That’s the main point here is worker choice, freedom to choose,” he said. “It’s good for workers to have a choice. They can decide if they see value or not and should their dollars go to the union or not based on seeing that value.”
Snyder said research shows that right-to-work laws have brought new and better jobs in states where they’re enacted."
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/gov-snyder-right-to-work-will-pass-give-workers-freedom-of-choice/
This is a wonderful thing. Let the employee choose whether or not they want to be in the union. It shouldn't be mandatory. Of course, there are big protests, which I don't really get...the unions are still free to do what they do, only they can't force workers to join.
The deal here is, wages should remain the same regardless of union representation or not, for equally trained/qualified employees.
School kids are home today because thousands of teachers called in sick/vacation day to go protest. Sickening...every teacher who went should be fired. YOUR JOB IS TO EDUCATE THE FUTURE NOT TELL PEOPLE THAT A UNION IS A REQUIREMENT TO WORK IN A PROFESSION.
A right-to-work law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
If your against this law then your against the worker.
A right-to-work law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
If your against this law then your against the worker.
This law is another example of twisted phrasing.
The right to work laws actually mean, right to work like Chinese peasants.
What it should be called is the right for employers to treat workers like chattel, law.
The right to work laws actually mean, right to work like Chinese peasants.
What it should be called is the right for employers to treat workers like chattel, law.
Right To Work Bill Passes In Michigan
LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The Republican-led Michigan House has approved a contentious right-to-work bill limiting unions' strength.
The measure approved Tuesday morning deals with public-sector workers. Another bill focusing on the private sector was approved last week, when the Senate OK'd both bills.
When final versions have cleared the House, they'll go to GOP Gov. Rick Snyder for his expected signature as early as Wednesday.
Passage followed numerous challenges and changes sought by Democrats as well as raucous protests inside and outside the Capitol from pro-union demonstrators. Thousands descended upon downtown Lansing to rally against the legislation that prohibits requiring nonunion employees to financially support unions at their workplace.
Backers say a right-to-work law would bring more jobs to Michigan and give workers freedom. Critics say it would drive down wages and benefits.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/right-to-work-protests-michigan-lansing_n_2277686.html
LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The Republican-led Michigan House has approved a contentious right-to-work bill limiting unions' strength.
The measure approved Tuesday morning deals with public-sector workers. Another bill focusing on the private sector was approved last week, when the Senate OK'd both bills.
When final versions have cleared the House, they'll go to GOP Gov. Rick Snyder for his expected signature as early as Wednesday.
Passage followed numerous challenges and changes sought by Democrats as well as raucous protests inside and outside the Capitol from pro-union demonstrators. Thousands descended upon downtown Lansing to rally against the legislation that prohibits requiring nonunion employees to financially support unions at their workplace.
Backers say a right-to-work law would bring more jobs to Michigan and give workers freedom. Critics say it would drive down wages and benefits.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/right-to-work-protests-michigan-lansing_n_2277686.html
OH so a person should not be able to work at a company and not join a union if they don't want to?
If I got a job at a place that had a union, I would have to join the union, pay dues that goes to the DNC and I should be ok with that? I should be ok with the union doing that with my money?
Millions and millions of people work jobs without unions and do just fine and make a good living.
If I got a job at a place that had a union, I would have to join the union, pay dues that goes to the DNC and I should be ok with that? I should be ok with the union doing that with my money?
Millions and millions of people work jobs without unions and do just fine and make a good living.
This law is another example of twisted phrasing.
The right to work laws actually mean, right to work like Chinese peasants.
What it should be called is the right for employers to treat workers like chattel, law.
How do you figure? If someone wants union representation, they can choose that. If not, they're on their own. How can that not be a win-win situation? They're not taking unions away, they're making them OPTIONAL, which they should be!
The right to work laws actually mean, right to work like Chinese peasants.
What it should be called is the right for employers to treat workers like chattel, law.
How do you figure? If someone wants union representation, they can choose that. If not, they're on their own. How can that not be a win-win situation? They're not taking unions away, they're making them OPTIONAL, which they should be!
"Work like Chinese peasants?" One thing a right to work state does is allows one to have a job without paying union dues for "representation" that may never be needed. A person in that situation is still covered by labor laws.
In a union, you are obligated to pay union dues. Right to work means that you can have a choice to pay union dues or not. (Even with union representation, if you enter into litigation with your employer, it is very common to incur costs for lawyers.)
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In a union, you are obligated to pay union dues. Right to work means that you can have a choice to pay union dues or not. (Even with union representation, if you enter into litigation with your employer, it is very common to incur costs for lawyers.)
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If this law was SO good, why were thousands of workers protesting it?
And why didnt they put it on the ballot for Michingan Voters to say what they wanted? Why do it the way it was done, thru the Koch brothers and pubs? Please some one tell me why why why they didnt put it on the ballot?
I have to say that I would always want an option to join a union or not. Not sure why anyone wouldn't since it gives them so many 'things' that others don't have that work just as hard.
Because it would've NEVER passed...I read that the Gov. of MI campaigned against this law but once elected, he changed his mind (cus he was safe) I swear the Republicans are making it easier to get themselves voted out of office for good because I'm sure the workers that are protesting are not all dems. I'm sure there are repubs in there as well...
Is this governor not on his way out of office? Anyone know?
MrsP: Why were thousands protesting it...because they were union workers who were told what to do. How is choice bad? Please explain to me how it is bad. You want women to have a choice when it comes to abortion, then why not have a choice for all workers?
teko: Why do they have to put it on the ballot? Very few things actually go on the ballot for people to vote on, as why we have elected officials. We elect people to represent us. But I'll ask you what I asked MrsP, how is choice for a worker a bad thing? Why should someone have to belong to a union if they don't want to? Why should they have to pay union dues if they don't want to?
A friend is a postal worker, did not have to join the union if he didn't want to, but was told that if he didn't then the chance of him moving up is slim. So he joined, paid his dues and got sick when his money went to support Hillary 4 yrs ago and then to Obama this year. Why should a union donate money to political campaigns? Money that came from the people who they claim to represent.
Remember how Vegas got it's start? Union loans to "businessmen" who were fronts to the mob. Unions have no oversite but force people to give them money.
teko: Why do they have to put it on the ballot? Very few things actually go on the ballot for people to vote on, as why we have elected officials. We elect people to represent us. But I'll ask you what I asked MrsP, how is choice for a worker a bad thing? Why should someone have to belong to a union if they don't want to? Why should they have to pay union dues if they don't want to?
A friend is a postal worker, did not have to join the union if he didn't want to, but was told that if he didn't then the chance of him moving up is slim. So he joined, paid his dues and got sick when his money went to support Hillary 4 yrs ago and then to Obama this year. Why should a union donate money to political campaigns? Money that came from the people who they claim to represent.
Remember how Vegas got it's start? Union loans to "businessmen" who were fronts to the mob. Unions have no oversite but force people to give them money.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/09/1306031/michigan-newspaper-slams-governor-snyder-right-to-work/
The Detroit Free-Press, which endorsed Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) in his 2010 campaign and has generally supported him since, blasted his decision to ram through a union-busting “right-to-work” law in a lame-duck legislative session. At Snyder’s urging, the state House and Senate each passed versions of the law this week. The editorial board slammed his move as a “failure of leadership” and observed that his “about-face” amounted to a betrayal of Michigan’s voters.
The paper noted that while it “trusted Snyder’s judgment,” that trust “has now been betrayed.” It expressed disappointment on behalf of independents who thought Snyder more independent and visionary “than partisan apparatchiks like Wisconsin’s Scott Walker or Florida’s Rick Scott,” adding:
His insistence that the legislation was designed to promote the interests of unionized workers and “bring Michiganders together” was grotesquely disingenuous; even as he spoke, security personnel were locking down the capital in anticipation of protests by angry unionists.
Snyder’s ostensible rationale for embracing right-to-work legislation — it was, he insisted, a matter of preserving workers’ freedom of association — was equally dishonest.
The real motive of Michigan’s right-to-work champions, as former GOP legislator Bill Ballenger ruefully observed, is “pure greed” — the determination to emasculate, once and for all, the Democratic Party’s most reliable source of financial and organizational support.
The Detroit Free-Press, which endorsed Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) in his 2010 campaign and has generally supported him since, blasted his decision to ram through a union-busting “right-to-work” law in a lame-duck legislative session. At Snyder’s urging, the state House and Senate each passed versions of the law this week. The editorial board slammed his move as a “failure of leadership” and observed that his “about-face” amounted to a betrayal of Michigan’s voters.
The paper noted that while it “trusted Snyder’s judgment,” that trust “has now been betrayed.” It expressed disappointment on behalf of independents who thought Snyder more independent and visionary “than partisan apparatchiks like Wisconsin’s Scott Walker or Florida’s Rick Scott,” adding:
His insistence that the legislation was designed to promote the interests of unionized workers and “bring Michiganders together” was grotesquely disingenuous; even as he spoke, security personnel were locking down the capital in anticipation of protests by angry unionists.
Snyder’s ostensible rationale for embracing right-to-work legislation — it was, he insisted, a matter of preserving workers’ freedom of association — was equally dishonest.
The real motive of Michigan’s right-to-work champions, as former GOP legislator Bill Ballenger ruefully observed, is “pure greed” — the determination to emasculate, once and for all, the Democratic Party’s most reliable source of financial and organizational support.
Right to work for lower wages is all it is. LOL Dumb! I often wonder why people are going out of their way to criticize the union and talk about how bad they are and paid ungodly amounts compared to others.
But those same people will sit around on the weekend and watch someone throw a ball or kick a ball, pat each other on the tush, make ungodly amounts of money to do it, and everyone goes YAY! Not a word about the ungodly unfair amount of money spent to pay these guys to toss or kick a ball. LOL
But those same people will sit around on the weekend and watch someone throw a ball or kick a ball, pat each other on the tush, make ungodly amounts of money to do it, and everyone goes YAY! Not a word about the ungodly unfair amount of money spent to pay these guys to toss or kick a ball. LOL
Yes thinkprogress opinion piece is so truthful and not biased.
WE tell the companies how much to pay pro athlets. We attend the events, we buy the merchandise. They do something that less then 1% of the population can do to a standard they can do. Can I hit a baseball...sure. Can I hit a 95mph fastball 400 feet, nope. Can I throw a football...yep. Can I throw a football 40 yards on the back shoulder of a receiver, nope. No one here can come even close to doing what those guys can do. But again WE as the public pay them. If people stopped going to events and stopped buying product salaries would shrink.
Back when baseball and football 1st started those people would have other jobs as well.
WE tell the companies how much to pay pro athlets. We attend the events, we buy the merchandise. They do something that less then 1% of the population can do to a standard they can do. Can I hit a baseball...sure. Can I hit a 95mph fastball 400 feet, nope. Can I throw a football...yep. Can I throw a football 40 yards on the back shoulder of a receiver, nope. No one here can come even close to doing what those guys can do. But again WE as the public pay them. If people stopped going to events and stopped buying product salaries would shrink.
Back when baseball and football 1st started those people would have other jobs as well.
States with the lowest unemployment rates
Unemployment Rates for States
Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Oct. 2012p
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.1
2 NEBRASKA 3.8
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.5
4 IOWA 5.1
5 UTAH 5.2
5 WYOMING 5.2
7 OKLAHOMA 5.3
List of Right to Work States
•North Dakota
•Nebraska
•South Dakota
•Iowa
•Utah
•Wyoming
•Oklahoma
Well that covers the top 7 and if you look 8 of the top 10 lowest unemployment rates are right to work states.
Coincidence ?
Unemployment Rates for States
Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Oct. 2012p
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.1
2 NEBRASKA 3.8
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.5
4 IOWA 5.1
5 UTAH 5.2
5 WYOMING 5.2
7 OKLAHOMA 5.3
List of Right to Work States
•North Dakota
•Nebraska
•South Dakota
•Iowa
•Utah
•Wyoming
•Oklahoma
Well that covers the top 7 and if you look 8 of the top 10 lowest unemployment rates are right to work states.
Coincidence ?
I don't like the unions that the players belong to, for sure.
I believe in paying for unique talents that others can't duplicate. If any jo shmo can go out there and pitch a perfect game, then the pay would be less. But since it is their unique athletic talent that people pay to watch---- I really can't fault them for earning what they do.
I believe in paying for unique talents that others can't duplicate. If any jo shmo can go out there and pitch a perfect game, then the pay would be less. But since it is their unique athletic talent that people pay to watch---- I really can't fault them for earning what they do.
Very true Vance. One of my bestest buds father was a pitcher for an MLB team that went to the World Series and won. Yep, he pitched in a world series game. And he worked as a salesmen the whole time as well to support his family. This was in the early 70's. He didn't earn enough to just play baseball as his career. We want to see our teams play, we pay the bucks to do it now.
I don't know much about what is going on in Michigan right now but I do know the way this was done is wrong. They should have put it on the ballot and let the majority of the people decide. This governor should not have betrayed what he ran on. This strong arming tactic is getting very old. I'm guessing there will be a backlash to this unlike one we have seen. Mrs.P I think you are right on the money when you say it has more to do with politics than not, otherwise it would not have been done this way imo.
My grandfathers uncle or someone like that in the 50's get drafted by the Giants (baseball) but turned it down because of the money he would make. Had a family to support and could not do it on a baseball salary.
So lets put abortion on the ballot then and see what the people want. This right to work law is not something for the people to vote on. It would lose because of union power in Mich. How is choice for a worker not good? It hurts unions because people don't have to join them now. But why would the people vote on this? No reason. You said this was a strong arm tactic. Is not having to join and pain a union a strong arm tactic?
So lets put abortion on the ballot then and see what the people want. This right to work law is not something for the people to vote on. It would lose because of union power in Mich. How is choice for a worker not good? It hurts unions because people don't have to join them now. But why would the people vote on this? No reason. You said this was a strong arm tactic. Is not having to join and pain a union a strong arm tactic?
BS
This reeks of tea party to me.
This reeks of tea party to me.
What does it matter what it is, it's good to give people a choice. It's called freedom.
Then put it on the ballot where it is clear for all that this is truly what the people want. No brainer it is. The way it was done reeks of underhanded alterior motives.
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