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NY mosque argument on `The View' leads to walk-off
NY mosque argument on `The View' leads to walk-off
By DAVID BAUDER AP Television Writer The Associated Press
Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT
NEW YORK (AP) — Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walked off the stage of "The View" Thursday during an argument with Bill O'Reilly over the proposed Islamic center near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks.
The women objected to the Fox News Channel host saying that "Muslims killed us on 9/11." They returned after an O'Reilly apology.
The fireworks came amid a heated argument on the issue.
"Listen to me," O'Reilly said, "because you'll learn something."
"Pinhead!" retorted Behar, who also hosts a prime-time show on HLN.
O'Reilly, who was on the popular daytime talk show to promote his book "Pinheads and Patriots: Where You Stand in the Age of Obama," said locating the Islamic Center near ground zero is inappropriate "because Muslims killed us on 9/11."
Goldberg responded with an expletive and Behar rose from her seat.
"I don't want to sit here," Behar said. "I don't. I'm outraged by that statement."
She walked off the set, followed by Goldberg.
The show's creator, Barbara Walters, immediately said her colleagues were wrong to walk off.
"We should be able to have discussions without washing our hands and screaming and walking offstage," she said. But she also scolded O'Reilly, saying that it was extremists who committed the terrorist act. "You cannot take a whole religion and demean them," she said.
"I'm not demeaning anybody," O'Reilly said.
"Yes," Walters replied. "You are."
After some more back-and-forth, O'Reilly said that "if anybody felt that I was demeaning all Muslims, I apologize."
Behar and Goldberg returned, with Behar saying, "We're back now because you apologized."
The 16-story Islamic center and mosque is planned for lower Manhattan, two blocks north of where the World Trade Center once stood. Critics say the location denigrates the memory of those who died on Sept. 11, 2001. Proponents say planners have a constitutional right to build and see the project as a reflection of religious freedom and diversity.
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Personally, when I heard of this, I considered all of the sources. You have a pretty extreme conservative talk show host in O'Reilly and then a couple of pretty liberal talk show co-hosts.....am I the only guy seeing that there was going to be a problem with this conversation? I kind of like O'Reilly, but honestly the guy can be pretty abrasive when trying to convey a point.
I am not a Barbara Walters fan by any stretch of the imagination, but she plain handled the situation...straightened O'Reilly out, straightened out her colleagues on their lack of professionalism and the interview proceded.
Adgal mentioned Hasselbeck or whatever her name is. She is pretty conservative, but comes off a lot like Palin to me. (Often not a lot of thought before her mouth opens, and it quite often bites her in the butt).
I dont watch the show, but I sure do enjoy watching a meltdown like that regardless of whom is involved.
I am not a Barbara Walters fan by any stretch of the imagination, but she plain handled the situation...straightened O'Reilly out, straightened out her colleagues on their lack of professionalism and the interview proceded.
Adgal mentioned Hasselbeck or whatever her name is. She is pretty conservative, but comes off a lot like Palin to me. (Often not a lot of thought before her mouth opens, and it quite often bites her in the butt).
I dont watch the show, but I sure do enjoy watching a meltdown like that regardless of whom is involved.
When the IRA were bombing in Great Britain I'm sure not all the Irish were seen as terrorists,I don't fully understand the ins and outs of the IRA but once again you have one religion against another,but then you also had them fighting for independence to get away from sovereignty rule,I think I've got that right,Margypops might know more than I do.
My point is all Irish people weren't blamed for what the extremists were doing.
It is hard for me because my darling husband is Irish but he does not trust any Muslim and we have discussions LOL on this subject and he can't see the comparison.I take people as I see them and try not to judge.
My point is all Irish people weren't blamed for what the extremists were doing.
It is hard for me because my darling husband is Irish but he does not trust any Muslim and we have discussions LOL on this subject and he can't see the comparison.I take people as I see them and try not to judge.
Well I didn't see the show, but I do have a comment on the Muslim Community policing their own (don't I always..lol). As you know I watch pretty much every documentary on this issue I can find. It's a huge point on interest for me, as I know it is for you. Many of the clerics, and Middle East and or/religious scholars/experts claim that the real war here is within Islam. It's very much a fight between the radicals and the moderates. So Iladvocate makes a really great point...there is a lot of fear. As with any radicalized society, they are violent and they do not hesitate to murder or maim those within Islam that oppose them.
By the same token, many are speaking out. They are trying to educate people within their community on the dangers of radical Islam...there is more going on then I think many of us even realize.
As for knowing the difference....I would agree that most SHOULD know the difference, and those that think it through or pay attention do know the difference. Sadly, there are still many (not just in the US) that do confuse the two and lump the entire Muslim community in with the radicals. So yes, I do think it is very important to continue to make sure we distinguish between the two. And I still (and will probably always..lol) disagree with your statement that you are under attack by Muslims. You are not...you are under attack by Radical Terrorists who are using Islam to twist words and create hatred. I just don't see it as the same thing. I know, knitpicky of me, but I just think given all that is going on right now that the wording is so very important.
By the same token, many are speaking out. They are trying to educate people within their community on the dangers of radical Islam...there is more going on then I think many of us even realize.
As for knowing the difference....I would agree that most SHOULD know the difference, and those that think it through or pay attention do know the difference. Sadly, there are still many (not just in the US) that do confuse the two and lump the entire Muslim community in with the radicals. So yes, I do think it is very important to continue to make sure we distinguish between the two. And I still (and will probably always..lol) disagree with your statement that you are under attack by Muslims. You are not...you are under attack by Radical Terrorists who are using Islam to twist words and create hatred. I just don't see it as the same thing. I know, knitpicky of me, but I just think given all that is going on right now that the wording is so very important.
I agree about that one aspect but when any group has fundamentalists that are engaging in terrorist acts just like organized crime but on a far more extreme level people might be afraid of the consequences if they speak out which is one reason many people immigrated to this country who are moderate Muslims to begin with and people are fundamentalists especially if they are active supporters of any act against the American government (which of course is not free speech nor is any political party allowed to run that supports this) should never have been allowed to immigrate here in the first place but that is the same for any group. There are many people in Iran and many other countries that have fundamentalist governments who are opposed to the oppressive regimes there and the United States should have more active efforts to support them because what they want is a return to a democracy.
If you saw the show, O'Reilly brought up a point I've been pounding on. We need the Muslim community to police their own. There would be much less suspicion were Muslims to be proactive in the prevention of terrorism. But you rarely hear of any Muslim reporting another for suspicious activity. There are a few scattered here and there but overall, not much is done in the Muslim community on the terrorism issue. That leads many to believe that they are giving their tacit approval.
Also, he brought out another point. By this time, most Americans know the difference between Islam and radical Islam. Does it really have to be said each time? The fact is we have been under attack by Muslims. Radical fundamentalists, yes. But still Muslims.
Also, he brought out another point. By this time, most Americans know the difference between Islam and radical Islam. Does it really have to be said each time? The fact is we have been under attack by Muslims. Radical fundamentalists, yes. But still Muslims.
Exactly my point. You said it much better then I. Saying radical Islamic terrorists is no problem, its the lumping all Muslims in under that catagory that is causing hurt and problems. As a Christian I know I do not ever want to be confused or lumped in with the radical Christians who perform acts such as you described, and I would be very offended if I were. It's no different on their end.
I thought Muslims were the people and Islam is the religion.
Is it ok to call these people that were involved in 9/11 radical Islamic terrorists,because no matter how you look at it it was done in the name of Islam.
When a Christian group attacks or protests at an abortion clinic or wherever else they are called radical Christians
Is it ok to call these people that were involved in 9/11 radical Islamic terrorists,because no matter how you look at it it was done in the name of Islam.
When a Christian group attacks or protests at an abortion clinic or wherever else they are called radical Christians
Well, in all fairness, The View does a pretty good job of showing all different opinions. Honestly it does. However, part of the draw is how heated it can get. There are some pretty strong conservative views as well, and I have seen that Elizabeth whatshername get pretty angry as well (i haven't watched in a long time, but she sure used to).
I will agree they shouldn't have walked off the stage, however I too would be (and do get) very very offended at talk such as "Muslims" killed us as opposed to "Radical terrorists" killed us. It actually sends a shot of anger through me everytime I see something like that. So while I agree they should have handled it more maturely, I think they are spot on is saying it demeans the whole religion...how can it not?
I will agree they shouldn't have walked off the stage, however I too would be (and do get) very very offended at talk such as "Muslims" killed us as opposed to "Radical terrorists" killed us. It actually sends a shot of anger through me everytime I see something like that. So while I agree they should have handled it more maturely, I think they are spot on is saying it demeans the whole religion...how can it not?
Now I know why it's called "THE" View. There's only one view allowed. All others must be censored.
If you'd like to see the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNQNE4-aywY
If you'd like to see the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNQNE4-aywY
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