And I will say that the majority do not do that. In my experience they have their demonstration, and talk to you about the issue should you approach them. I don't get into it with them and we all go on our merry way. I have no issue with that at all. Also, for Churches to have meetings, etc. on the topic is no issue as far as I am concerned either. People can attend if they like, your not forced to.
I don't disagree with you either. I also dislike abortion and wish wholeheartedly women would make different decisions (you and I have discussed our attempts to adopt and how tough it is). But, like you, I don't believe that my choice should be every women's choice. So I guess I too am a pro choice pro lifer. lol. Hey, look at us! Officially on different sides of the issue, but actually feel the same way about it. Interesting! Course, our ability to do that is part of why I love ya!
That is true, people should respect other people's beliefs and boundaries. The reason they want to make laws around it is that murder is against the law and if you believe with all sincerity (your whole heart, honest to goodness belief) that abortion is murdering an innocent baby, you will want to include that in the laws against murder. You will want to fight for the unborn babies that have no say.
This is not my big topic, as weve discussed my friend. I am middle of the road on many social issues and I'm a pro life pro choicer as I call it. Meaning that I do believe after conceiving and having a child that it is a baby at the time of conception and it makes me sick if someone aborts their child but will not take that right away from other woman. However, I do understand how many feel as they do about abortion. They are passionate about it and it becomes their hot political topic that they are most interested in. Our church has a section in every single weekend pamphlet you take after your church service you attend. They hold meetings and conferences on the subject. I am just not going to say that these people are wrong for promoting laws to protect what they believe in their hearts are innocent babies.
But it is a turn off for anyone to shove a pamphlet in your face. That doesn't help their cause by any means.
You know, I would respect that. People being pro life is fine, and we all need to respect each others beliefs. We all have to live our lives according to what we feel is right. It's when we take our belief as the only way it should be and try to create laws around it that I have an issue.
Last week I was walking near a pro life demonstration, but intentionally steered myself away from it. Just no interest in getting into an argument or confrontation. A women attempted to thrust a pamphlet into my hands and I politely said no thank you. She just wouldn't let it go...she showed a complete lack of respect for me and my boundaries. Not saying she is representative of the pro life movement, my issue is with her specifically. Let's just all respect each other - what a novel concept!
I wish they would say what is probably true---- due to how they were taught either by their church or their parents, they belive that abortion is murder of an innocent child no matter what the circumstances. They don't need to explain away their belief that is actually shared by many with 'excuse' type of things which seems like grasping at straws. It's what they believe, pure and simple. And it is okay for them to believe as they do.
Scary to think these guys are trying to set policy on anything, isn't it?
And how many years have these ignoramouses been having sex anyway? I mean to be so illiterate. And they are someones parents? Wow, that speaks volumes.
So now we have conservative christiand and democratic christians to boot. OMG, so now our faith is divided by politics? LOL Only in America
Depends on what theroy of evolution you want to talk about. Man from ape...no, as there is still no scientfic proof of this it's still just a theroy. Man evolving...yes.
And lets not get into global warming because I have spoken about that topic and gave some good links to some professionals in the field that do not agree with man-made global warming.
It's not that surprising really - these types of people reject science routinely.
Evolution, global warming and now pregnancy.
Wow - they really still believe this stuff? I think they need to spend some time on MH's pregnancy forums. This is right up there with "you can't get pregnant the first time" or "you can't get pregnant if you have sex standing on your head" theories. Thanks for the article Mike. At least it explains why he said it, even if it is a complete falsehood.
You might find this interesting.
Rape Trauma as Barrier to Pregnancy' Myth Dates Back Centuries
By Sharon Begley and Susan Heavey
(Reuters) - The long-discredited notion that rape victims cannot become pregnant - a claim that pushed Republicans to repudiate one of their own U.S. Senate candidates on Monday - dates back centuries to when human reproduction was hardly understood.
But the medieval theory has surfaced in 21st century political discourse as a result of the U.S. abortion wars.
Writers from the Middle Ages and modern politicians alike have based their arguments on the idea that a trauma of the magnitude of rape can shut down the body's reproductive system.
The combination of misunderstanding and cherry-picked science even led some to conclude that a woman who says she was raped yet becomes pregnant must have been lying about the attack. Modern proponents of the claim repeat it despite empirical research showing that rape victims are at least as likely to become pregnant as women who have consensual sex, and possibly more likely.
Representative Todd Akin, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Missouri, spurred new outrage on the subject when he told a St. Louis television station he does not support abortion for rape victims because "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
Akin, a member of the House science committee, apologized on Monday for his statement, calling it "ill conceived" and "wrong." Senior Republicans scrambled to distance themselves from the comments a week before the party holds its presidential nominating convention in Florida.
The furor has prompted a response from the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The claim that rape is unlikely to lead to a pregnancy has "no biological plausibility," said Dr. Barbara Levy, vice president for health policy at the organization. The claim is "not grounded in any physiology or scientifically valid data."
Akin is not alone in his view about rape and pregnancy, however. It dates at least to medieval times, when a 13th century English legal tome called Fleta asserted that pregnancy was prima facie evidence against a charge of rape, "for without a woman's consent she could not conceive."
A 19th century book, "Elements of Medical Jurisprudence" by Samuel Farr, said that conception is unlikely "without an excitation of lust, or the enjoyment of pleasure in the venereal act." That reflected the common notion that pregnancy requires a woman, like a man, to reach orgasm during intercourse.
Both early references were noted by The Guardian newspaper in a blog post on Monday.
In fact, "human ... female orgasm is not necessary for conception," explained a 1995 paper in the journal Animal Behaviour, one of many studies reaching the same conclusion.
THE STRESS FACTOR
In more modern times, the rape-pregnancy claim seems to have been linked to the fact that stress can decrease fertility.
"Mental stress can temporarily alter the functioning of your hypothalamus - an area of your brain that controls the hormones that regulate your menstrual cycle," explains the Mayo Clinic in a publication about infertility. "Ovulation and menstruation may stop as a result."
But the stress that reduces fertility is the chronic kind that occurs over months or years, not the acute trauma of a rape.
"A woman who is raped at a vulnerable time in her menstrual cycle is as likely to conceive and retain a pregnancy as a woman who was voluntarily attempting pregnancy," said ACOG's Levy. "There's absolutely no validity to any sort of theory that the trauma related to rape - or to anything else for that matter - would shut down ovulation that has already begun."
Physicians and researchers had long thought that conception occurs when sperm encounter an already-waiting egg. Recent research has shown that in fact sperm do the waiting, remaining in the woman's uterus or fallopian tubes until an egg is released from the ovaries.
Although the trauma of rape might impair a woman's fertility months or years later, said Levy, "you're not going to interrupt something (like the release of an egg) that's already started."
Numerous studies support that. In a 1996 study in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, researchers surveyed 4,008 American women for three years. Among women in their prime reproductive years, 12 to 45, five percent of rapes resulted in pregnancy, mostly among adolescents. One-third "did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester," the researchers found, concluding that "rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency."
It may occur with greater frequency than after consensual sex. Indeed, evolutionary psychologists - who seek to explain human behavior by imagining what actions might have helped our ancient ancestors survive and reproduce - say the reason rape has been so endemic throughout history is precisely because it often leads to pregnancy: men who commit that crime, goes the argument, were more likely to have progeny, passing along their "rape genes" to the next generation.
While the explanation for rape has been discredited, the fact that rape often leads to pregnancy has not been. In a 2003 study in the journal Human Nature, researchers found that 6.4 percent of rapes in the hundreds of women they surveyed caused pregnancy; that compares to a rate roughly half that with consensual intercourse. In Mexico, rape crisis centers have reported that some 15 percent of rapes cause pregnancy.
The rate may be high because rape victims are less likely to be using contraception at the time of the crime than are women in a relationship, who can also choose to forego sex during fertile periods in their reproductive cycle if they do not want to conceive.
Reuters Health Information © 2012
Re-printed: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/769468?src=nldne
Mike
Politically, he'd be more effective and do a better job than McCaskill any day of the week and twice on Sunday's, as she's a MO RON.
But that said, personally (re: his ideology as a human being), I simply CAN'T get behind the guy, no matter how good a job he'd do, opposed to McCaskill.
Idiot
I cannot understand anyone defending his comments. They aren't even accurate...I still want to know how a women's body knows a pregnancy is a product of rape and "takes care of it". He does not seem entirely sane to me.
I agree El, its not the government's business in our bedroom and certainly not inside our bodies.
The freedom granted to all religious beliefs means no one should ever be forced to have an abortion or use birth control just as no one should ever be denied access.
These topics should not even be politicized.
It stops us from talking about important things like, where DID all that money go that Chase lost ?
You know, this is simply indefensible.
He didn't misspeak, he said exactly what he meant.
Sad thing is, he'll probably be elected to the senate to continue to spread his ignorance.
Smaller government.... Except in my bedroom, on my marriage certificate or my reproductive organs!!!
Republicans and Democrats alike, need to stay away from religion & sex. Gov't has no place in my church nor my bedroom.
That said, I'm an atheist, but who's counting!