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2 killed at Nevada middle school

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/nevada-middle-school-shooting/
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206807 tn?1331936184
Student accused of lighting teacher on fire
Posted: Oct 24, 2013 5:43 PM by Michael Shingleton
Updated: Oct 24, 2013 6:54 PM
Source: WBRZ

BATON ROUGE - An eighth-grade student in Baton Rouge was arrested and expelled after authorities said the 14-year-old lit a substitute teacher's burqa on fire.

The News 2 Investigative Unit started looking into the incident at Westdale Middle School, which happened on Oct. 4, because parents said they weren't notified about it.

According to the sheriff's office, the School Drug Task Force was called to campus at 9:50 a.m. that day to investigate a student who lit his teacher's clothing on fire. The East Baton Rouge Parish School System described the garment as a burqa, and the teacher told investigators she had just reprimanded the student for misbehaving when hit lit her on fire with a cigarette lighter.

The substitute was treated at Westdale and is fine, according to the sheriff's office. The student was charged with aggravated assault on a school teacher and brought to juvenile detention.

News 2 asked a school system spokesperson why parents weren't notified, which led to allegations the school was trying to cover up the incident. The school released a statement which read, "an investigation was conducted and appropriate disciplinary action was taken pursuant to the district's policies and procedures. The student no longer attends Westdale Middle School and has been expelled."
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It's about education, and none of these kids that have been getting a hold of guns lately have had any education on guns, the amount of respect that is owed to having/owning one and the proper way to handle one.  Worse than that, I feel we have failed our kids in allowing them to believe that shooting someone is a way to solve our problems.

Simple fact of the matter is, even in a self defense situation where one would use a gun to protect themselves or their loved ones is a life changing event.  Life will never be the same once you pull that trigger, even if it is found completely warranted.

I don't think enough of the populace pays their kids enough attention.  I don't think parents allow their kids to develop problem solving skills and are basically not allowed to try to work things out.  I think kids are left to their own far too often and I think parents turn a blind eye to a lot of issues bothering their kids these days.  (If you pretend it is not a problem long enough, it won't be a problem???)

I was brought up knowing that bb guns were not a toy and were capable of killing small animals and could easily injure adult humans.  It was part of the whole gun education thing... all guns are to be consider loaded and lethal until proven otherwise.  That doesn't happen in the cases we are talking about here.  

Gang world is all together a different situation.  Guns are a "necessity" in the gang world.  They are as essential as breakfast and if you don't have a gun, "you don't have $hit".  These people too have never had an education and they simply don't care.  You can't legislate against that.  These people do not follow the law, they don't acquire guns legally and they never have the intent on registering a gun.  That gun is going to be used to commit crimes and criminals are almost smart enough to know that they don't need anything linking them to a gun used in a crime.

My carry pistol is sitting on my night stand, right now.  I just had my college kid leave for classes and he paid that gun no attention.  I have 2 other teens asleep on the couch awaiting a road trip to Boise Idaho and neither of them are in the least bit concerned nor interested in my pistol....  (One of the kids on the couch is not mine...)  My kids know what guns can do because they have listened to me all of their 19 and 17 years.  We've gone shooting.  We've been through training.  Guns are not mysterious weapons of evil... my kids fully understand that a gun can only do what the person holding that gun wants it to do.

Most of gun accidents aren't "accidents" at all.  Most gun "accidents" happen when someone points a loaded gun at someone and pulls the trigger.  How is that an accident?  You have to point the gun and pull the trigger... not an accident.  A loaded gun can sit anywhere for 100 years and never go off if NOBODY picks the gun up.  

Maybe I am fortunate.  My kids don't even fight.  They were blessed with their mothers ability to talk things through, be able to work things out, and their dad's knowledge about guns and have somehow managed to not kill anyone despite the fact that there are a few guns at our house.  
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When my kids were small we bought the toy guns and they played cowboys and indians, water squirt guns, cap guns and bb guns. They always knew they were pretend for play and were different than actual guns that were dangerous, so the one where the kid was carrying a toy gun and got killed really struck home with me.I think it starts with the parents in that their attitudes toward guns are unhealthy and its rubbing off on the kids. If mom and dad think they are cool and say things like, anybody tries to take my guns I will kill them and such stuff, the kids think its cool too. Add to that the hatefulness that overrides our society toward each other and I think we are all to blame. Because we put up with it. I heard recently about a politician that gave speaches about her right to have a gun, left a AR 15 in her garage and it was stolen. Hello? YOU preach about gun responsibility. They make gun cabinets with locks on them? Besides, what do we need guns like this for anyway? I believe in restrictions and I believe in being able to discipline your children. Take those away and lookie here at what we got! imo...And why are parents not held responsible for what their child is doing or getting hold of? Oh because we took that right away from them so how can we now hold them responsible? Its maddening to me.
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377493 tn?1356502149
I just cannot understand all these senseless deaths.  It's so scary and so sad.  What drives a 12 or 14 year boy to kill?  What are people thinking leaving guns around where a 5 year old can get to them?  What is wrong with all of these pictures?  Heartbreaking.
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When I taught high hchool, I worked with students from challenging backgrounds and who were at risk for just about anything that can go wrong in life. Initially they were wary of me but in time they came to realize that I sincerely cared for them and that I was one of the adults they could trust in life.
I did have students who threatened me for failing them (They had refused to turn in any work and spent their class time disrupting the class) I knew I never wanted to run into a few of them in a dark alley, so to speak.
But for every sociopath (that is how I characterize those students) there were ten more who came from atrocious backgrounds and who had seemingly hopeless futures that clung to the image of a good human being that was reflected back to them.
I do not know what the answer is but we need to remember that there are many kids out there, even those who have had little support in their lives that will do the right thing if we do not fear and ostracize them.
We need to hold on to the good.
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11-year-old accused of bringing gun and 400 rounds of ammo to school
By Lateef Mungin, CNN
updated 8:09 AM EDT, Thu October 24, 2013


(CNN) -- A Washington state middle school boy was arrested Wednesday and faces an attempted murder charge, after he brought 400 rounds of ammunition, multiple knives and a handgun to his school, police said.

The 11-year-old was booked into a juvenile detention facility after the incident that caused the lockdown of Frontier Middle School, Vancouver Police said.

The school, in Vancouver, Washington, was locked down for about two hours. Parents received letters alerting them of the situation, said Kris Fay, a spokeswoman for the Evergreen School District.

There were no injuries. Police did not say who was allegedly being targeted.

This incident comes on the heels of several school-related violent incidents around the nation.

On Monday, a math teacher was killed and two students wounded by a boy who then killed himself in a Nevada school.

On Wednesday, a math teacher was found dead in the woods northeast of Boston, and her 14-year-old student is accused of killing her.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justice/washington-school-gun-arrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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I think the real issue is the culture we live in.
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For the boy, you need to know better.  For the cops, you could have done better.
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Deputies shoot, kill 13-year-old carrying replica assault weapon

Northern California sheriff's officials and family members say deputies shot and killed a 13-year-old boy who was carrying a replica assault weapon.


Two Sonoma County deputies saw the boy walking with the replica weapon around 3 p.m. Tuesday in Santa Rosa. Lt. Dennis O'Leary says they repeatedly ordered him to drop what appeared to be a rifle before firing several rounds.

The boy fell to the ground. Deputies handcuffed him and began administering first aid, but he was pronounced dead at the scene. O'Leary says deputies also found a plastic handgun in his waistband.

The boy's father, Rodrigo Lopez, told the Press Democrat of Santa Rosa  the victim was his 13-year-old son, Andy.

The deputies have not been identified.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022106223_apxdeputiesshoot13yearold.html
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"People have the right to bear arms, and with that comes great responsibility," Orange County sheriff's Chief Deputy Clint Hodgkinson told KFDM-TV of Beaumont. "If someone, somehow, puts a firearm in a place where a child is able to get that weapon, you've committed an offense."

"Sometimes, it takes something like this — as tragic as it is — for people to reflect on those things, and these are the opportunities you take ... to say, 'Look, what could we have done?'" Hodgkinson said.

I find it troubling how different some peoples gun education is apparently so much different from the education I got as a kid.  Equally as troubling is how some "adults" have apparently missed the education possibility as well.
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5-year-old Texas boy accidentally kills himself with napping babysitter's gun

Orange County, Texas, Sheriff's Office

Melissa Ann Ringhardt, 19, of Vidor, Texas, was charged with abandoning or endangering a child after 5-year-old John Read shot and killed himself with her gun Monday, authorities said.

A teenage babysitter was arrested Tuesday and charged in the death of a 5-year-old Texas boy who accidentally shot himself with the babysitter's gun while she was napping, authorities said.

Melissa Ann Ringhardt, 19, of Vidor was being held in the Orange County Jail on a felony charge of abandoning or endangering a child, the county sheriff's office said in a statement. She could face a sentence of six months to two years if convicted.

The sheriff's office said Ringhardt, who lives with the boy's family, left her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table when she went into a bedroom to take a nap Monday afternoon. When she woke up, she couldn't immediately find the boy, identified as John Read, according to the sheriff's office. She eventually discovered him dead in the living room, it said.

Because the home has no telephone, Ringhardt carried John and a 6-month-old child, whom she was also watching and who wasn't identified, about a block to his grandparents' home to call 911, the sheriff's office said. John was declared dead there when emergency crews arrived.

The 6-month-old child wasn't injured.

Ringhardt told investigators she had the gun because she was frightened of being home alone, according to NBC affiliate KBMT K-JAC.  

"People have the right to bear arms, and with that comes great responsibility," Orange County sheriff's Chief Deputy Clint Hodgkinson told KFDM-TV of Beaumont. "If someone, somehow, puts a firearm in a place where a child is able to get that weapon, you've committed an offense."

"Sometimes, it takes something like this — as tragic as it is — for people to reflect on those things, and these are the opportunities you take ... to say, 'Look, what could we have done?'" Hodgkinson said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/22/21084041-5-year-old-texas-boy-accidentally-kills-himself-with-napping-babysitters-gun?lite
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Boy held after teacher's death closes schools in Danvers, Massachusetts
By Kevin Conlon, CNN
updated 10:16 AM EDT, Wed October 23, 2013


(CNN) -- The suburban Boston town of Danvers, Massachusetts, shut down all seven of its schools Wednesday after a teacher's body was found in woods behind the high school.

Authorities found Colleen Ritzer's body behind Danvers High School after she was reported missing Tuesday, according to the Essex County District Attorney's office. Searchers found blood in a second-floor bathroom, according to the prosector's office.

A 14-year-old boy is in custody, authorities said.

Blodgett did not say whether the boy is a student at the school and said he could not release the boy's name or his connection to Ritzer because he is a juvenile.

It wasn't immediately clear why the district closed all of its schools after the discovery of Ritzer's body.

Danvers, a town of about 26,000 people some 20 miles north-northeast of Boston, has a high school, a middle school and five elementary schools.

Ritzer's death comes the same week as the death of a teacher who tried to stop a student with a gun at a middle school in Sparks, Nevada.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/massachusetts-danvers-schools-closed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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973741 tn?1342342773
I know Teko!  It is frightening.  I wonder if there were any signs beforehand that something was seriously going on with this 12 year old.  I have to feel sorry for him too as clearly, he was disturbed.  I wonder if it was his parents gun?  Very sad.  Does sound like the teacher who stepped in to help was a hero for doing so.  But all very sad.  

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A 12 year old? A 12 YEAR OLD!  Where did this child get a gun? Where are the adults in this kids life I wonder. These are babies! I just cannot wrap my head around this stuff at all.
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It was only a matter of time before this happened in my home state.  
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649848 tn?1534633700
Scary -- I have 2 nieces, that live in Sparks; both have grandchildren that go to school there.
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