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BREAKING: Supreme Court Doubles Down On Citizens United
BREAKING: Supreme Court Doubles Down On Citizens United | The Supreme Court just announced a 5-4 decision striking down Montana’s ban on corporate money in elections. The decision was handed down without hearing oral argument on the case, meaning that the five conservative justices were not even open to hearing arguments that their election-buying decision in Citizens United might have been wrongly decided.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/25/505558/breaking-supreme-court-doubles-down-on-citizens-united/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/25/505558/breaking-supreme-court-doubles-down-on-citizens-united/
VERY well said, Mike.
And I'll agree with your statement that "...the right is probably abusing this vehicle more than the left...".
I will say, however, that for all intents & purposes, BOTH sides are abusing the current system, and this will only enable/allow them to further abuse not only the system, but the PEOPLE (as a side-effect, WE will loose voice, and corporate-American gains further foothold).
And I'll agree with your statement that "...the right is probably abusing this vehicle more than the left...".
I will say, however, that for all intents & purposes, BOTH sides are abusing the current system, and this will only enable/allow them to further abuse not only the system, but the PEOPLE (as a side-effect, WE will loose voice, and corporate-American gains further foothold).
Very well said. :-)
I agree mike
I don't disagree that at this time the right is probably abusing this vehicle more than the left. But, my concern is that the Court made this type of buying influence and affecting legislative and political change possible. If it weren't legal then we wouldn't be arguing about who is doing what and how much. I just think that the Court sold out the American people.
http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://fredericacade.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/from-norquist-to-the-koch-brothers-and-the-information-the-u-s-chamber-of-commerces-institute-for-legal-reform-uses-american-legislative-exchange-councils-alec-model-legislature-they/
OH, last I heard Dell was the last to boycot them, 58 big corporations so far.
This explains how the three along with other well knowns are working this.
http://fredericacade.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/from-norquist-to-the-koch-brothers-and-the-information-the-u-s-chamber-of-commerces-institute-for-legal-reform-uses-american-legislative-exchange-councils-alec-model-legislature-they/
OH, last I heard Dell was the last to boycot them, 58 big corporations so far.
This explains how the three along with other well knowns are working this.
I agree completely.
El and brice, I also agree, finger pointing only distracts us from the real problem.
They are all corrupted by big money.
El and brice, I also agree, finger pointing only distracts us from the real problem.
They are all corrupted by big money.
You seem to be the only Left'leaning person in this forum that has a clue what they're talking about, Mike.
Well said.
Until the finger pointing stops, no headway will be made.
Well said.
Until the finger pointing stops, no headway will be made.
My point exactly. Eloquently put, sir.
Finger pointing is needless, but if one decides to point fingers, we must realize that it is coming from everywhere.
Finger pointing is needless, but if one decides to point fingers, we must realize that it is coming from everywhere.
It doesn't matter which party gets what, in my opinion. The idea that corporations and individual donors are able to anonymously funnel unlimited funds into the political advertizing just corrupts the election process. Essentially it is no longer one person-one vote because these billionaires are able to influence thousands upon thousands of voters and not just in the Presidential election but in local, state and federal elections - and it's happening now.
Mike
Mike
That's all I was getting at. Seems as if its real popular to get after the republicans because of Koch Bros, ALEC, and the likes. The fact of the matter really is, we just aren't talking about the ones funding the dems. We are not hearing that that is indeed a problem. It's too easy to pick the guys with the big pockets and a bit of popularity. In the mean time, everyone else flies under the radar and some of us refuse to acknowledge that this is happening.
According to the list/link provided above, Bain Capital gave more money to Dems...... I found that amusing and troubling at the same time.
According to the list/link provided above, Bain Capital gave more money to Dems...... I found that amusing and troubling at the same time.
Of course corporate money funds both parties Citizen's United as well as many of the other corporate interest first laws being passed, the legislators being put into office are being forced on us from ALEC.
As teko mentioned, you can all do searched on this and read for yourself.
And yes, Bain is the group Romney was connected too, the one that buys out smaller companies,and lets them fail for a profit.
Romney the " I love firing people" guy.
We don not have a democracy, we have a country run by ALEC, the Koch brothers and their bought and paid for goons~many of our politicians.
Can you say Fascism ?
As teko mentioned, you can all do searched on this and read for yourself.
And yes, Bain is the group Romney was connected too, the one that buys out smaller companies,and lets them fail for a profit.
Romney the " I love firing people" guy.
We don not have a democracy, we have a country run by ALEC, the Koch brothers and their bought and paid for goons~many of our politicians.
Can you say Fascism ?
So democrats receiving corporate money is not an issue? It is or it isn't? Everyone knows Koch & Co...... democrats are getting that corporate cabbage too.... that is the problem as far as I'm concerned. Corporations buying everything.
If you guys have not done homework on Norquist, Alec and the Koch brothers its your loss. I have practically handed you the sources. You dont have a clue do you? And you vote based on the propaganda spewed instead of finding the truth. Bye Bye America.
Bain Capital.... isn't that "Romney's group"?
Is the democrats receiving corporate money an issue, or is that just for the republicans? I'm confused.....
The Democrats receive just as much corporate money as the Republicans, don't kid yourself... (might not be dollar for dollar exact, but it's close)
http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php
Teko... I think this is one of your sources, isn't it? I just did a Google search on "Republican vs Democrat Corporate Donations" and this is one of the first results that came up.
http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php
Teko... I think this is one of your sources, isn't it? I just did a Google search on "Republican vs Democrat Corporate Donations" and this is one of the first results that came up.
The Koch brothers' money are behind all of this stuff. I despise those 2.
http://www.politicususa.com/people-vs-alec.html
Koch is in there as well. They are all entertwined.
Koch is in there as well. They are all entertwined.
Is it Norquist or the Koch brothers ?
Ah yes, ALEC again! Norquists baby! Again. The guy that nobody takes seriously. Well he just won. He now owns us. Now elect the pubs and seal the deal. Divided and Conquered.
Citizens United as well as SB1070 were thought up by ALEC.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council
About ALEC
ALEC is corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve “model” bills. ALEC legislative leaders are tasked with a duty to get the bills introduced and passed; ALEC members introduce the bills in statehouses as their own brilliant ideas—without disclosing that corporations pre-voted on them with politicians behind closed doors at ALEC resort meetings. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, and more than 20% become legally binding. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. It might be right. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door.
The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) describes itself as the largest “membership association of state legislators,” but over 98% of its revenue comes from sources other than legislative dues, primarily from corporations and corporate foundations.[1] After the 2010 congressional midterm elections, ALEC boasted that “among those who won their elections, three of the four former state legislators newly-elected to the U.S. Senate are ALEC Alumni and 27 of the 42 former state legislators newly-elected to the U.S. House are ALEC Alumni.”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council
About ALEC
ALEC is corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve “model” bills. ALEC legislative leaders are tasked with a duty to get the bills introduced and passed; ALEC members introduce the bills in statehouses as their own brilliant ideas—without disclosing that corporations pre-voted on them with politicians behind closed doors at ALEC resort meetings. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, and more than 20% become legally binding. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. It might be right. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door.
The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) describes itself as the largest “membership association of state legislators,” but over 98% of its revenue comes from sources other than legislative dues, primarily from corporations and corporate foundations.[1] After the 2010 congressional midterm elections, ALEC boasted that “among those who won their elections, three of the four former state legislators newly-elected to the U.S. Senate are ALEC Alumni and 27 of the 42 former state legislators newly-elected to the U.S. House are ALEC Alumni.”
I feel even more strongly about this matter than I do about the healthcare reform. I think we the people were taken over today. We no longer have a voice. Even tho corporations may not vote, they can now lend an unlimited amount of money for constant ads and intimidation to those who have less.
Im not sure how that is considered fair or how it will not cause our elections to be bought and paid for.
We are now the United States of Corporations. Who will win? Corporations or lite Corporations.
Im not sure how that is considered fair or how it will not cause our elections to be bought and paid for.
We are now the United States of Corporations. Who will win? Corporations or lite Corporations.
Hey, you guys -- I can run, and win if I could get a corporation with unlimited funds to back me......
teko - I'd guess you're right; even corporations outside the US.
Being a "middle of the road" conservative, I think this totally stinks. Talk about elections being bought and paid for!!
teko - I'd guess you're right; even corporations outside the US.
Being a "middle of the road" conservative, I think this totally stinks. Talk about elections being bought and paid for!!
So. Now anyone with enuff money can decide our elections. All elections. Even corporations from outside the united states I assume.
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