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Biden urges Democrats to comply with demands to curb U.S. gun violence
LEESBURG, Virginia (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Joe Biden urged fellow Democrats in the House of Representatives on Wednesday to comply with public demands for action to reduce gun violence.
It is unclear which, if any, of Biden's gun-control recommendations Congress might approve, but the vice president said legislators have an obligation to do as much as they can.
"I don't want to hear about 'well we can't take it on because it's too politically dangerous,'" Biden told House Democrats at the opening of a three-day retreat. "There's an overwhelming consensus about the need to act."
The politically powerful gun rights lobby, led by the National Rifle Association, opposes Biden's proposals, saying they would violate Americans' constitutional right to bear arms.
However, Biden urged lawmakers to stand up to these groups and side with the American people, who clearly favor tougher gun laws, according to recent polls.
Biden's proposals include a ban on semi-automatic weapons and limits on high-capacity ammunition clips, like those used at a school massacre at in Newton, Connecticut, in December that ignited the new push for gun control.
With many Republicans and Democrats from conservative states reluctant to embrace tougher gun laws, Biden and President Barack Obama have traveled the country to try, seeking public support for their proposals.
Biden said Congress should not yield to gun-control naysayers who contend that "the risk is too high, the outcome is too uncertain."
He acknowledged that members of Congress who backed a 1994 ban on assault weapons faced a voter backlash that year that may well have cost many of them their jobs.
"I'm here to tell you the world has changed since 1994," Biden said.
"I can't imagine how we will be judged as a nation, as a people, as individuals, if we do nothing. It is simply unacceptable."
http://news.yahoo.com/biden-urges-democrats-comply-demands-curb-u-gun-025058280.html
It is unclear which, if any, of Biden's gun-control recommendations Congress might approve, but the vice president said legislators have an obligation to do as much as they can.
"I don't want to hear about 'well we can't take it on because it's too politically dangerous,'" Biden told House Democrats at the opening of a three-day retreat. "There's an overwhelming consensus about the need to act."
The politically powerful gun rights lobby, led by the National Rifle Association, opposes Biden's proposals, saying they would violate Americans' constitutional right to bear arms.
However, Biden urged lawmakers to stand up to these groups and side with the American people, who clearly favor tougher gun laws, according to recent polls.
Biden's proposals include a ban on semi-automatic weapons and limits on high-capacity ammunition clips, like those used at a school massacre at in Newton, Connecticut, in December that ignited the new push for gun control.
With many Republicans and Democrats from conservative states reluctant to embrace tougher gun laws, Biden and President Barack Obama have traveled the country to try, seeking public support for their proposals.
Biden said Congress should not yield to gun-control naysayers who contend that "the risk is too high, the outcome is too uncertain."
He acknowledged that members of Congress who backed a 1994 ban on assault weapons faced a voter backlash that year that may well have cost many of them their jobs.
"I'm here to tell you the world has changed since 1994," Biden said.
"I can't imagine how we will be judged as a nation, as a people, as individuals, if we do nothing. It is simply unacceptable."
http://news.yahoo.com/biden-urges-democrats-comply-demands-curb-u-gun-025058280.html
We pass tougher gun laws.
We ban assault weapons.
We ban high-capacity clips.
And when the next Sandy Hook or Columbine happens? What then? You and I both know it's only a matter of time before it happens again. It ALWAYS happens again.
What do we do THEN?
As Vance stated, the real issues surrounding gun violence aren't being addressed. After the tougher laws are passed, everyone will stand around patting each other on the back and shaking each others hands, saying "Good job!", "Well done!", blah, blah, blah...
But in reality, NOTHING meaningful was accomplished, because as I've said 100 times before... bad people intent on doing bad things don't follow the law or abide by the rules of society.
I think there's a law written someplace, about it being illegal to rob banks, but I'm pretty sure that banks are still getting robbed.
Laws don't stop criminals and malintent people from doing bad things.
GUNS stop criminals and malintent people from doing bad things.
We ban assault weapons.
We ban high-capacity clips.
And when the next Sandy Hook or Columbine happens? What then? You and I both know it's only a matter of time before it happens again. It ALWAYS happens again.
What do we do THEN?
As Vance stated, the real issues surrounding gun violence aren't being addressed. After the tougher laws are passed, everyone will stand around patting each other on the back and shaking each others hands, saying "Good job!", "Well done!", blah, blah, blah...
But in reality, NOTHING meaningful was accomplished, because as I've said 100 times before... bad people intent on doing bad things don't follow the law or abide by the rules of society.
I think there's a law written someplace, about it being illegal to rob banks, but I'm pretty sure that banks are still getting robbed.
Laws don't stop criminals and malintent people from doing bad things.
GUNS stop criminals and malintent people from doing bad things.
"....I think there's a law written someplace, about it being illegal to rob banks, but I'm pretty sure that banks are still getting robbed...."
In fact, bank robberies have been decreasing for quite some time now.
See: Bank Robbers Going the Way of Blacksmiths?
By Brad TuttleFeb. 06, 2013
"....Last year, however, there were “just” eight bank robberies reported in the same area. In fact, the paper noted, the number of bank robberies around the country has been falling steadily for years:
According to the FBI, bank holdups have dropped nearly every year since 2003, when nearly 7,500 robberies were reported nationwide with $77 million taken. In 2011 – the last complete year for data – about 5,000 banks reported robberies with $38 million stolen.
The trend continued into 2012 with an especially sharp decline in bank heists, reports the Wall Street Journal. Nationwide, there were 3,870 bank robberies last year, according to preliminary data from the FBI. That’s roughly half the number reported in 2004, and a far cry from the high hit in 1991 of nearly 9,400 bank robberies in the U.S....."
http://business.time.com/2013/02/06/bank-robbers-going-the-way-of-blacksmiths/
In fact, bank robberies have been decreasing for quite some time now.
See: Bank Robbers Going the Way of Blacksmiths?
By Brad TuttleFeb. 06, 2013
"....Last year, however, there were “just” eight bank robberies reported in the same area. In fact, the paper noted, the number of bank robberies around the country has been falling steadily for years:
According to the FBI, bank holdups have dropped nearly every year since 2003, when nearly 7,500 robberies were reported nationwide with $77 million taken. In 2011 – the last complete year for data – about 5,000 banks reported robberies with $38 million stolen.
The trend continued into 2012 with an especially sharp decline in bank heists, reports the Wall Street Journal. Nationwide, there were 3,870 bank robberies last year, according to preliminary data from the FBI. That’s roughly half the number reported in 2004, and a far cry from the high hit in 1991 of nearly 9,400 bank robberies in the U.S....."
http://business.time.com/2013/02/06/bank-robbers-going-the-way-of-blacksmiths/
Well stage coach robberies have dropped since the 1800's also. LOL
You're obviously borrowing from Obama and I must admit that it suits you well.
I'll give you that...
I think the point you were trying to make, if I'm reading between the lines correctly, is that:
Laws put in place will help to CURB the occurrence of whatever the law was designed to do.
And I won't argue that point, because it's a valid one.
All I'm saying, is that we can't simply stop at the tougher gun laws & regulations, that Biden's attempting to get passed.
The answer isn't less guns, it's more guns. How do you stop criminals from acting out criminal activities where guns are involved? You shoot them... with a gun.
Have "gun free zones" by all means, but have a clause on your books, that allows for CHL holders to carry on your premises.
If I was intent on shooting a bunch of people, I'm not going to walk into a place where I KNEW people were "packing". I'd go to a school, or a movie-theater, or a school-bus.
I see your point, Mike, but I'm trying to look BEYOND. I just don't want Biden to stop, after the tougher rules & regulations are passed.
I think the point you were trying to make, if I'm reading between the lines correctly, is that:
Laws put in place will help to CURB the occurrence of whatever the law was designed to do.
And I won't argue that point, because it's a valid one.
All I'm saying, is that we can't simply stop at the tougher gun laws & regulations, that Biden's attempting to get passed.
The answer isn't less guns, it's more guns. How do you stop criminals from acting out criminal activities where guns are involved? You shoot them... with a gun.
Have "gun free zones" by all means, but have a clause on your books, that allows for CHL holders to carry on your premises.
If I was intent on shooting a bunch of people, I'm not going to walk into a place where I KNEW people were "packing". I'd go to a school, or a movie-theater, or a school-bus.
I see your point, Mike, but I'm trying to look BEYOND. I just don't want Biden to stop, after the tougher rules & regulations are passed.
I really wasn't making any subtle or read between the lines point el. The only point I was making is that bank robberies are down.
Hopefully laws discourage the type of acts that they make unlawful and I won't argue that they don't to some degree. That just wasn't my point. When I saw you reference bank robberies I recalled seeing a very recent article addressing bank robberies and I just threw it in there for fun.
Hopefully laws discourage the type of acts that they make unlawful and I won't argue that they don't to some degree. That just wasn't my point. When I saw you reference bank robberies I recalled seeing a very recent article addressing bank robberies and I just threw it in there for fun.
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