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Bigger than Solyndra
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/15570631/tonopah-solar-projects-gets-key-federal-loan
For those who were a little upset over the Solyndra debacle, get a good look at this one. It runs pretty deep and there are a few "odd" connections. I urge you to read any other articles concerning this endeavor.
For those who were a little upset over the Solyndra debacle, get a good look at this one. It runs pretty deep and there are a few "odd" connections. I urge you to read any other articles concerning this endeavor.
That is precisely the point I am trying to make. It would have been a big deal if a republican in office made the same loan when times are tough, and the business went belly up. Complicate that by the fact that there was political money involved.... If a republican did that, the majority of democrats would have been all over this like a duck on a june bug.
This is the bias that I often bring up. This is the division of the people. And all of it is okay. It is a bum deal, any how you look at it. It cost $500 million dollars. And if that is acceptable to you considering who is/was involved.... would that same deal be acceptable if a republican did it?
Keeping money out of politics is something that if I am not mistaken, even you agreed with. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of us here have commented against interest groups lining politicians pockets.... can you not see that that is exactly what has happened here?
Listen, I don't care if the President is a democrat, republican, independent, or a damned smurf.... In my opinion, this is exactly what everyone on this board has said at one point or another is a bad thing. It was a bad move, and politically this President had something to gain.... not necessarily his fault, it is the fault of the special interest groups. (But again, this President is no dummy either. He knew there was a gain to be made here.)
This is the bias that I often bring up. This is the division of the people. And all of it is okay. It is a bum deal, any how you look at it. It cost $500 million dollars. And if that is acceptable to you considering who is/was involved.... would that same deal be acceptable if a republican did it?
Keeping money out of politics is something that if I am not mistaken, even you agreed with. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of us here have commented against interest groups lining politicians pockets.... can you not see that that is exactly what has happened here?
Listen, I don't care if the President is a democrat, republican, independent, or a damned smurf.... In my opinion, this is exactly what everyone on this board has said at one point or another is a bad thing. It was a bad move, and politically this President had something to gain.... not necessarily his fault, it is the fault of the special interest groups. (But again, this President is no dummy either. He knew there was a gain to be made here.)
When I said "some of you guys" I meant You guys on the right. You are republican right?! I know you've been neutral. I agree with you on that....As for the Solyndra article, I don't think there was any bandwagon jumping. I read the article and to me it only seems like a big deal because the company that failed had a fundraiser for Obama.
The only problem I can think of is that it was a $500,000,000 failure. Money we don't really have.... and there are plenty of republicans that think the way you do, but some are looking for long term solutions. Absolutely we should be taking care of your sink holes. And in every state I've ever heard of, the town/city, county, state or the fed take care of that. That is where some of our tax dollars were supposed to be going.... when that failed to accomplish much, some states accepted the lottery as a way to generate revenue for schools and infrastructure problems.... when that wasn't cutting it, some of those very same states came up with toll roads..... still, we have roads that suck because money is misappropriated at will.
So what now. The alternative is to sit and spin? The Solyndra affair is a big big big deal how? Better to try and fail than to have not tried. As far as infrastructure and the like, get real people. I dont know about where you live but we are getting sink holes, NOT POT HOLES, SINK HOLES. Big difference. How can anyone not think infrastructure work would not be a good idea, EVEN if it is temporary and may be temporary enuff to tide us over till things start moving. At the very least its gonna help a whole lot of business stay afloat in the meantime, do something for feeling like we are doing something. That is just one of the ideas and I think its great. I say it is totally stupid to not forge ahead. But your not gonna get one Republican that thinks that because god forbid we make progress and cost them their power and greed!. Yeah, as you can tell, pisses me off to high heaven! I heard today Lowes will be closing so many stores and laying off another 2thou. That one thing called infrastructure could make a hell of a lot of difference for them alone. I dont get why people think it is okay to sit on their hands. I guess cause it aint them that is unemployed is the only thing I can figure.
It's like a business in some ways. You have to capitalize it. Yes, the initial employment to re-build/build the infrastructure will be temporary but the potential for job creation/entrepreneurship is greatly enhanced with an up to date infrastructure. And, of course, an educated work force also encourages and stimulates entrepreneurship. We simply are not competitive when it comes to educating our youth. This is a global competition and we're faced with very serious competitors. I think that perhaps the 9 month school year is inappropriate in today's world. We've got to get very serious if we're going to succeed.
I basically believe that infrastructure is essential irrespective of any temporary jobs that would be created. That doesn't mean I don't see an upside to getting money in the hands of the middle class because I definitely do. And we also have this Catch 22 where the longer you're unemployed the less likely it is that an employer will hire you. So, for those workers on the infrastructure work this might interrupt their unemployment history. While it's a very complicated issue I think that it's simple that we must have an atmosphere conducive to production of goods, services and ideas and that necessarily means a better infrastructure. Heck, we're not going to have adequate sewage, water supply or power let alone a technologically up to date environment in some places if we don't get started soon.
The need for better education needs no argument.
Mike
I basically believe that infrastructure is essential irrespective of any temporary jobs that would be created. That doesn't mean I don't see an upside to getting money in the hands of the middle class because I definitely do. And we also have this Catch 22 where the longer you're unemployed the less likely it is that an employer will hire you. So, for those workers on the infrastructure work this might interrupt their unemployment history. While it's a very complicated issue I think that it's simple that we must have an atmosphere conducive to production of goods, services and ideas and that necessarily means a better infrastructure. Heck, we're not going to have adequate sewage, water supply or power let alone a technologically up to date environment in some places if we don't get started soon.
The need for better education needs no argument.
Mike
I agree with everything you've said above. There are a few facts that coincide with what you've mentioned. In a round about way, we certainly do need to be thinking and somehow investing in alternative energy. Solar power is a wonderful idea, and having come from Nevada.... I can tell you that there is an abundance of space to accommodate a large scale solar farm. (That is certainly a fact.) But the other fact along with this is, the over whelming majority of those jobs are not permanent.
You're not ignorant... You know that means the majority of those hired will be unemployed again, and soon. (That too is a fact, and the company doing the hiring is telling all potential job candidates that that is the case)
I will also agree that education is critical... it is amongst the most necessary of all necessaries. I personally do not see how some claim that hiring more teachers is the solution to that problem. This and the previous President mentioned that we needed to hire more teachers. That might be part of the problem, but it is not the solution. The curriculum is the problem. We are turning out students at all levels, even college students whose education is failing them. (A girl who worked for me years ago had a BA degree in psychology and thought and swore that she was a psychologist.... uhm..... NO.) Hire all the teachers you want, but if the system and the curriculum are broken, we'll continue to fall short.
You're not ignorant... You know that means the majority of those hired will be unemployed again, and soon. (That too is a fact, and the company doing the hiring is telling all potential job candidates that that is the case)
I will also agree that education is critical... it is amongst the most necessary of all necessaries. I personally do not see how some claim that hiring more teachers is the solution to that problem. This and the previous President mentioned that we needed to hire more teachers. That might be part of the problem, but it is not the solution. The curriculum is the problem. We are turning out students at all levels, even college students whose education is failing them. (A girl who worked for me years ago had a BA degree in psychology and thought and swore that she was a psychologist.... uhm..... NO.) Hire all the teachers you want, but if the system and the curriculum are broken, we'll continue to fall short.
No argument here. Our infrastructure is crumbling and something has to be done about it. My problem is, selling it like it is going to create jobs and help the economy. I put it in the same category as when they claimed The Census created jobs. It did but not for long.
Essentially the United States is real estate.
Anyone who owns developed real estate knows that it must be maintained or sooner or later it will have to be torn down. Our country is fundamentally an asset whose infrastructure is crumbling. Without infrastructure we're definitely not going anywhere. In order to progress and prosper this country needs a good infrastructure and a good educational system. We're failing miserably on both of these fronts. I really don't understand why this isn't obvious to everyone. We have to invest in infrastructure. We have no choice if we're going to prosper.
Anyone who owns developed real estate knows that it must be maintained or sooner or later it will have to be torn down. Our country is fundamentally an asset whose infrastructure is crumbling. Without infrastructure we're definitely not going anywhere. In order to progress and prosper this country needs a good infrastructure and a good educational system. We're failing miserably on both of these fronts. I really don't understand why this isn't obvious to everyone. We have to invest in infrastructure. We have no choice if we're going to prosper.
"some of you guys" No, not fair enough. I consider myself very neutrual and try to find the facts before jumping on any Bandwagon rather it be Rep. or Dem. My history proves I defend both when falsehoods are proclaimed rather I like them are not, Including Obama.
I by no means am picking sides. I just found it very interesting... and I'm not necessarily talking about anyone here, that nobody saw this as at least "fishy".
AS for the jobs. RGlass... you couldn't be more right, and that was what was basically explained to my friend applying for the position. Ones the properties infrastructure is finished, unless every single one of those contractors has another job lined up immediately afterwards, pink slips will be dropped.
It's inevitable right now. I would love for it to be the other way around. I would love for everyone out of work to land a good gig. Even a part time gig is a bit of a help, but there are people sucking the blood out of their 401ks just to eat and pay the bills now because their benefits have all but worn out.
The heart of this problem has nothing to do with democrats or republicans... people in the middle for that matter. The entire nation is trying to find jobs.... we are not getting that done. Everyone of these current political stiffs say they have the "only real way" to create jobs. There is a clicker though.... you have to vote for them for it to work. If any one of these people were American or human enough, they'd put aside partisanship, get their plan out there by any means, and get jobs created.
None of this is about that though. This is about politicians looking out for them and their ilk. If any of them gave a real damn and were not playing with everyones emotion and financial heart strings, this would be well on the way to over! It's not, nor is it even close! These political folks cannot get out of their own way.
AS for the jobs. RGlass... you couldn't be more right, and that was what was basically explained to my friend applying for the position. Ones the properties infrastructure is finished, unless every single one of those contractors has another job lined up immediately afterwards, pink slips will be dropped.
It's inevitable right now. I would love for it to be the other way around. I would love for everyone out of work to land a good gig. Even a part time gig is a bit of a help, but there are people sucking the blood out of their 401ks just to eat and pay the bills now because their benefits have all but worn out.
The heart of this problem has nothing to do with democrats or republicans... people in the middle for that matter. The entire nation is trying to find jobs.... we are not getting that done. Everyone of these current political stiffs say they have the "only real way" to create jobs. There is a clicker though.... you have to vote for them for it to work. If any one of these people were American or human enough, they'd put aside partisanship, get their plan out there by any means, and get jobs created.
None of this is about that though. This is about politicians looking out for them and their ilk. If any of them gave a real damn and were not playing with everyones emotion and financial heart strings, this would be well on the way to over! It's not, nor is it even close! These political folks cannot get out of their own way.
I can say vice versa about some of you guys quick to join the Democrat Witch Hunt Crusade (putting little to no effort in investigating the facts) but will stick their Head in the Sand when it comes to any wrong doing of GOP's.....Fair enough?!
It also amazes me that people think Infastructer will create jobs. Yes it will create Jobs but only Temp. Jobs. Once a Contractor completes a Bridge or Road Repair, guess what comes next for all the workers? A lay off slip. As far as helping the economy it is little more than a Band-Aid over Gangrene. (Sorry for the spelling in a hury).
Brice your wasting your time. Some here are very quick to join a GOP Witch Hunt Crusade (putting little to no effort in investigating the facts) but will stick their Head in the Sand when it comes to any wrong doing of Dems.
Brice your wasting your time. Some here are very quick to join a GOP Witch Hunt Crusade (putting little to no effort in investigating the facts) but will stick their Head in the Sand when it comes to any wrong doing of Dems.
Friends of mine on the ground in Nevada have said that the jobs aren't permanent. Now I don't know why they would lie. One friend went and applied for a position, and the very first thing they told him was, "you understand that the job is not a permanent job, and the duration of employment can be terminated at any time?".
My point with this deal is, (I am not defending anyone, just saying the obvious) Cheney is guilty of numerous "crimes" because he once worked for Haliburton... a company who was "awarded" contracts because of whom Cheney is/was.
Now we have a die hard democrat who, potentially by family affiliation to Nancy Pelosi, was just awarded a giant chunk of money... the day before any such money could be "legally" "loaned". Where is the outrage? Furthermore.... a board member from a defunct Solyndra is a board member of this board.... democrats would be hostile if this were a republican administration, and republicans were 'benefitting".
My point with this deal is, (I am not defending anyone, just saying the obvious) Cheney is guilty of numerous "crimes" because he once worked for Haliburton... a company who was "awarded" contracts because of whom Cheney is/was.
Now we have a die hard democrat who, potentially by family affiliation to Nancy Pelosi, was just awarded a giant chunk of money... the day before any such money could be "legally" "loaned". Where is the outrage? Furthermore.... a board member from a defunct Solyndra is a board member of this board.... democrats would be hostile if this were a republican administration, and republicans were 'benefitting".
Energy Secretary Steven Chu said the department has completed a $737 million loan guarantee to Tonopah Solar Energy for a 110-megawatt solar tower in Tonopah, where a number of jobs were at stake pending completion of the loan.
So this saved jobs..I still don't understand what the big deal with "solyndra" is. I found this link
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2011/10/03/obama-administration-defends-billions-in-green-energy-loans/
To me I think the only reason why it's an Issue is b/c 1 company went bankrupt The republicans feel that they can't trust any other company that has loans pending or whatever. I mean if they all start collapsing one after another, that's a different story. But to try and make light of something that isn't even really an issue is just typical. I mean the article Brice posted clearly said a number of jobs were threatened basically if the loan wasn't approved. Do we let more people end up on unemployment or do what Chu did and keep them working?! I always say it, Obama and his administration are Damned if they do and Damned if they don't.......
So this saved jobs..I still don't understand what the big deal with "solyndra" is. I found this link
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2011/10/03/obama-administration-defends-billions-in-green-energy-loans/
To me I think the only reason why it's an Issue is b/c 1 company went bankrupt The republicans feel that they can't trust any other company that has loans pending or whatever. I mean if they all start collapsing one after another, that's a different story. But to try and make light of something that isn't even really an issue is just typical. I mean the article Brice posted clearly said a number of jobs were threatened basically if the loan wasn't approved. Do we let more people end up on unemployment or do what Chu did and keep them working?! I always say it, Obama and his administration are Damned if they do and Damned if they don't.......
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