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Far from Ground Zero, other plans for mosques run into vehement opposition
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?wpisrc=nl_headline
MURFREESBORO, TENN. -- For more than 30 years, the Muslim community in this Nashville suburb has worshipped quietly in a variety of makeshift spaces -- a one-bedroom apartment, an office behind a Lube Express -- attracting little notice even after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
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Nowhere near Ground Zero, but no more welcome
But when the community's leaders proposed a 52,900-square-foot Islamic center with a school and a swimming pool this year, the vehement backlash from their neighbors caught them by surprise. Opponents crowded county meetings and held a noisy protest in the town square that drew hundreds, some carrying signs such as "Keep Tennessee Terror Free."
Here we go! And notbody? nobody saw this coming? Somebody better start some damage control NOW!
MURFREESBORO, TENN. -- For more than 30 years, the Muslim community in this Nashville suburb has worshipped quietly in a variety of makeshift spaces -- a one-bedroom apartment, an office behind a Lube Express -- attracting little notice even after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
This Story
Nowhere near Ground Zero, but no more welcome
But when the community's leaders proposed a 52,900-square-foot Islamic center with a school and a swimming pool this year, the vehement backlash from their neighbors caught them by surprise. Opponents crowded county meetings and held a noisy protest in the town square that drew hundreds, some carrying signs such as "Keep Tennessee Terror Free."
Here we go! And notbody? nobody saw this coming? Somebody better start some damage control NOW!
This is the sort of thing that has made me change my mind about the Mosque at ground zero. They should be ashamed of themselves...there is nothing Christian about their actions.
This is just one example, from what I understand it is happening across the nation. One thing I found amusing tho, is when the rallies were held on Sunday? They had that song playing called " Born in the USA" I did not include the chorous, but pay attention to the lyrics.....I guess this makes sense to everyone but me?
Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up now
Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says, 'Son, if it was up to me...'
Went down to see my VA man
He said, 'Son, don't you understand?'
I had a brother at Khe Sanh fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go
Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up now
Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says, 'Son, if it was up to me...'
Went down to see my VA man
He said, 'Son, don't you understand?'
I had a brother at Khe Sanh fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go
I don't understand either....
Many of the problems in Tennessee are stemming the extremely rapid growth of the Islamic population and with the funding. It hasn't helped that candidates who spoke out against the mosque until funding is disclosed have their lives threatened.
We have laws in place to block funding from potential terrorist sources. When Muslims will not disclose the funding, people will assume that there is something illegal going on. They could stop this themselves by voluntarily disclosing the funding instead of being taken to court. Assimilating into their communities would be helpful as well.
We have laws in place to block funding from potential terrorist sources. When Muslims will not disclose the funding, people will assume that there is something illegal going on. They could stop this themselves by voluntarily disclosing the funding instead of being taken to court. Assimilating into their communities would be helpful as well.
Ooops! I forgot a couple of important points. This is what happens when you have computer problems all day!
In Tennessee, Congressional candidate Lou Ann Zelenik uncovered evidence of ties with Hamas as concerns the Murfreesboro mosque. One board member of the mosque resigned.
"Tennesseeans are speaking out. This is not about race or religion as many have stated, it is about motive, funding, terror connections -- the same concerns that people in New York City have about the proposed mosque there.
Murfreesboro's population has spiked in recent years. It grew about 33 percent, from 68,816 people to 92,559, between 2000 and 2006, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. In 2000, about 5 percent of Murfreesboro's populace was foreign-born -- almost twice the average in the state of Tennessee, the Census Bureau said.
Rogers said the population influx may have sparked some xenophobia on the part of some residents, but she said it "helps enrich" the college town. Murfreesboro is home to Middle Tennessee State University, which has an enrollment of 25,188, according to the university website. (CNN)
There you have it, zenophobia. That must be why sane Americans would object to a mosque being built in their neighborhood, couldn't possibly be the connections to Hamas now could it?"
In Tennessee, Congressional candidate Lou Ann Zelenik uncovered evidence of ties with Hamas as concerns the Murfreesboro mosque. One board member of the mosque resigned.
"Tennesseeans are speaking out. This is not about race or religion as many have stated, it is about motive, funding, terror connections -- the same concerns that people in New York City have about the proposed mosque there.
Murfreesboro's population has spiked in recent years. It grew about 33 percent, from 68,816 people to 92,559, between 2000 and 2006, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. In 2000, about 5 percent of Murfreesboro's populace was foreign-born -- almost twice the average in the state of Tennessee, the Census Bureau said.
Rogers said the population influx may have sparked some xenophobia on the part of some residents, but she said it "helps enrich" the college town. Murfreesboro is home to Middle Tennessee State University, which has an enrollment of 25,188, according to the university website. (CNN)
There you have it, zenophobia. That must be why sane Americans would object to a mosque being built in their neighborhood, couldn't possibly be the connections to Hamas now could it?"
I don't doubt the POSSIBILITY of some Mosques being funded by terrorists, and there should be transparency to the funding, just like there should be with Corporations that pay for campaign ads. But just because there is the potential for this to happen, you can not group all Muslims together as terrorists. Just as we can not group all Christians together as belonging to "Church of Jesus Christ-Christian" and all their other branches under the Christian heading. If you aren't familiar with the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian, they are the Aryan Nation, which also includes the KKK. If you google Aryan nation and go to their site, hopefully you'll be disgusted. But why aren't good Christians reporting them to the police? Why are we allowing them to gather and hold meetings? Why can we separate them from other Christians? The Aryan Nation and it's branches are responsible for more total deaths in this country than the total for 9/11.
I do not pretend to know the ins and outs of the Muslim faith, and frankly very few of us do. Is that not the issue. The issue is this imo. We the people of the United States of America stand for freedoms. We stand for tolerance, we have shed blood of our ancestors and friends and family to get there. Cemetarys are full of them.This overblown propaganda being spewn and sucked up like candy by those who want to hear it instead of getting facts is bringing this country down to a place and making it no better than the percieved enemies. The constitution is only good when it works for a few? Sorry, it covers the muslims too, and until facts are revealed that show something is going on that should not be, this is bs. Can I make myself any clearer?
I would also like to add......I bet Osama Bin Laden is enjoying all the Muslim and Mosque bashing that's going on in the US. It only supports his idea that there is a war on Islam, a religious war, instead of a war on terrorists. All the people that spew hatred for Obama and then claim he's Muslim, all the suspicions surrounding Muslims and their Mosques, all over the US, is just supporting Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists. I just hope all this nonsense doesn't turn otherwise peaceful Muslims into thinking that perhaps Bin Laden is right, that it is a war against their religion.
Oh I bet your right on that Magi. Guaranteed this situation is his greatest recruiting tool. Christians are scared of Muslims, and I am sure many Muslims are very scared of Christians right now hearing all of this on the news. That is all it takes.
I wish we could just allow people to be innocent unless proven guilty. Or, perhaps it should be like the Japanese after Pearl Harbor...let's round em all up "just in case". Personally I don't see the difference even though most agree that was not a good idea.
I wish we could just allow people to be innocent unless proven guilty. Or, perhaps it should be like the Japanese after Pearl Harbor...let's round em all up "just in case". Personally I don't see the difference even though most agree that was not a good idea.
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From an Actual Moderate Muslim, a Memo to the MSM on Imam Rauf
Posted By Abdur-Rahman Muhammad On August 24, 2010 @ 12:50 am In Uncategorized | 30 Comments
As I write, nearly two thousand protesters are gathered outside the location of the future mosque — some having stood in the rain for hours — providing a clear indication that the campaign to stop this project is intensifying. The pollsters tell us that nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the structure, yet its sponsors say the edifice will somehow promote “interfaith dialogue” and “mutual understanding.” They must certainly realize at this stage in the process that the mosque will do no such thing, but will instead act as a permanent provocation to a huge segment of Americans who deem it completely inappropriate — if not outright sacrilege.
Let us remember that the project organizers themselves created this controversy by announcing that the groundbreaking would take place on the ten-year anniversary of the attack, and that the exact site was selected because of its proximity to Ground Zero. Given that fact, the current media meme that this is not a “Ground Zero mosque” is dishonest spin.
Even more dishonest — and dangerous to this country — is the outrageously biased work in Time, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Newsweek, and on NPR, PBS, MSNBC and CNN that has consistently portrayed popular opposition to this mosque and several other mosques around the country as evidence of bigotry and so-called “Islamophobia.” This is mass libel by these media institutions.
The mainstream media has deliberately ignored the fact that there is legitimate basis for fear of mosques — as it is a demonstrable fact that mosques and Muslims have been disproportionately connected to terrorism in this country and around the world, a fact that the media won’t report. Moreover, in the examples of opposition to specific mosques chosen by the media as evidence of popular “bigotry,” the media has selectively ignored the openly available evidence showing unambiguously that these mosques or their officials are connected to or supportive of the radical Muslim Brotherhood (the parent of al-Qaeda), Hamas, and other radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations.
Why have these media institutions not investigated these ties? Why does the media investigate American charities that support settlements in the West Bank, but refuse to investigate the militant and terrorist ties to mosques and Islamic groups here at home?
The imam heading up this $100 million project, Faisal Abdul Rauf, enjoys the full support of the sympathizing left-leaning media, and together they have attempted to frame this fight as a First Amendment issue. They’ve worked to cast the opponents of the project — including the 9/11 families — as bigots bent on denying “peaceful Muslims” the “right” to build a facility on their own property. All of this is sheer nonsense, because as many commentators already noted this week, the right to build the mosque was never in question — only the appropriateness of putting it near Ground Zero. It is simply not possible, and indeed quite dishonest, to characterize 70 percent of the population as bigots and “Islamophobes,” despite what the media would have us believe.
As an American Muslim, I can say with confidence that most folks have no desire to trample our First Amendment rights, and have said so repeatedly. It is not even entirely clear to me that, were the Muslim developers of the mosque genuinely moderate, it would be so bitterly opposed. But then again, they probably would never have proposed such a thing in the first place.
But how can anyone believe that Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his followers are moderates when they very deliberately refuse to condemn Hamas, a sworn enemy of this country and a major center of terror in the world? When asked directly to repudiate the group, all he could say was: “I am not a politician.”
This is typical of the double-speak and evasive tactics employed by the prominent Muslim groups in America, an unmistakable red flag that something is wrong here.
He’s also called this country an “accessory” to the 9/11 attacks, and has written that America is shariah (Muslim law) compliant. Forget all the rubbish about “interfaith dialogue” and “mutual understanding.” The ongoing battle over this site has already belied that charade. Abdul Rauf and his Islamic supporters — most of whom are affiliated with Muslim Brotherhood front groups — will never give this project up because there is too much at stake for him. If he manages to get the thing built, he will be one of the most powerful personalities in the Muslim world — radical, moderate, or otherwise. More importantly, the mosque will come to symbolize in the radical Muslim world the triumph of Bin Laden’s attack, and provide a kind of heavenly validation for his approach to spreading radical ideology. For what other reason could the tenth anniversary have been chosen for the groundbreaking?.
It is not hard to see that this will only inspire more attacks. The logic will be: “If Allah gave us one miracle, maybe He’ll give us more.”
If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical and moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell.
What are people to think when they see a group of World Cup fans blown up in Uganda by Somali Muslim psychopaths? Closer to home, a U.S. Army Major shoots his fellow soldiers! What are they to make of a Pakistani national given U.S. citizenship just last year attempting to set off a car bomb in Times Square? And the self-taught “American” sheikh, Anwar al-Awlaki, who from his cave somewhere in Yemen calls on Muslims to murder Americans, and they listen?
The underlying problem in this bitter controversy is that Muslims in America suffer a deserved trust deficit, wherein they are seen as a foreign and dangerous element. Perhaps if the $100 million being spent on this mosque were used to build, say, a hospital, this perception would begin to change.
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Now might be a good time to research who the dude is that wrote this? We must realize that if we have interpreted your description of all muslims being bad, they are out to get us, boogiman theories, then why would you take the word of one eh? Maybe the seed is being planted by them to rile things up more to bring about killing off all us infidels! Maybe that is part of the plan? To bring about killing us off by making sure we rise up against em, eh? Food for thought.
And in all honesty I can truly understand the feelings around this particular Mosque. If it was simply about this one site, I could empathize. Where I am running into trouble is it is going from a protest about this Mosque to a condemning of Islam and Muslims in general. This issue is now being used as a political pawn. To me that is highly highly disrespectful to those that were victims of 911. I am sure they would be appalled to know that their murders were being used politically...that is tragic.
"Assimilating into their communities would be helpful as well."
Wow...that's really quite rude, I feel....
The only Muslims I know are as assimilated as they can be without abandoning their religion...if your parents had moved to an Islamic country when you were a child and you were raised in that country as a Christian, would you want to be expected to don a burqa just to "assimilate"? You would see any law requiring you to as injustice, because that's not how your religion does it. I mean they're not riding camels down the roads and screaming Jihadist taunts at motorists while smoking opium bongs....They're worshipping the way they choose and that just happens to involve certain dress and behavior practices. No one says that the Amish people are terrorists because they haven't assimilated completely...or...at all, for that matter. And Yes, I get that Amish people haven't committed these horrific terrorist crimes..but neither have 99% of the Muslim faith...there are a LOT of Muslims in the world compared to....how many suicide bombers in the past 10 years?
Maybe I'm just in the wrong generation to understand the hatred of Muslims. I understand dislike of radical Islamics....but hate of ANY sort I don't understand, and I think it's evolutionary back-sliding to allow our fear of the past and fear of the future to cause us to develop a hatred of a group of people...ANY group of people.
I spent 3 summers in Tennessee for a work exchange program and it really is one of the most beautiful states IMO....but I'm afraid to talk about one of my experiences there because I don't want to seem to be derrogatory. For the most part my experience there was amazing and I am a bit surprised at this article.
I just want to say that this is completely WRONG. I'm shaking because I'm so afraid of what the responses to my post are going to be, because i know that there may be very rude and insulting responses....does anyone else see this as wrong? However I don't see my anxiety as a reason to silence my opinion, so here I go...
Wow...that's really quite rude, I feel....
The only Muslims I know are as assimilated as they can be without abandoning their religion...if your parents had moved to an Islamic country when you were a child and you were raised in that country as a Christian, would you want to be expected to don a burqa just to "assimilate"? You would see any law requiring you to as injustice, because that's not how your religion does it. I mean they're not riding camels down the roads and screaming Jihadist taunts at motorists while smoking opium bongs....They're worshipping the way they choose and that just happens to involve certain dress and behavior practices. No one says that the Amish people are terrorists because they haven't assimilated completely...or...at all, for that matter. And Yes, I get that Amish people haven't committed these horrific terrorist crimes..but neither have 99% of the Muslim faith...there are a LOT of Muslims in the world compared to....how many suicide bombers in the past 10 years?
Maybe I'm just in the wrong generation to understand the hatred of Muslims. I understand dislike of radical Islamics....but hate of ANY sort I don't understand, and I think it's evolutionary back-sliding to allow our fear of the past and fear of the future to cause us to develop a hatred of a group of people...ANY group of people.
I spent 3 summers in Tennessee for a work exchange program and it really is one of the most beautiful states IMO....but I'm afraid to talk about one of my experiences there because I don't want to seem to be derrogatory. For the most part my experience there was amazing and I am a bit surprised at this article.
I just want to say that this is completely WRONG. I'm shaking because I'm so afraid of what the responses to my post are going to be, because i know that there may be very rude and insulting responses....does anyone else see this as wrong? However I don't see my anxiety as a reason to silence my opinion, so here I go...
Beautifully said girl! And you should never worry about voicing your opinion. Your generation is the future and I am grateful most of our 20 somethings here in Canada are like minded to your way of thinking. It gives me great hope!!!!
You know, in rereading Ashlens post, I think she makes a very important point. Her generation (again the 20 somethings) do have a very different attitude and perspective on things like race, religion, etc. Where we claim tolerance and understanding, they really live it (if that makes any sense). They have been brought up in a multi cultural world where none of that matters....thank God for that!!
You should never be afraid to voice your opinion, and actually your most made great sense to me. I agree with Adgal that this is a sign of hope for our future. It seems that the predjudices seem to lie with the older generations so yes, that way of looking at the world is refreshing.
Pajamas Media is a extremely right-winged media group. So along with FOX news, it can't be considered true to the facts and is probably twisted to fit their agenda, .... really isn't worth reading.
Ashelen, It's great to hear an open mind speak out.
Ashelen, It's great to hear an open mind speak out.
And on that note I would only add, that we old folks need to pass the gauntlet to the younger generation, as it is they who will mold the world to come and it is they and their children that will ultimately pay for the mistakes of their elders. We need to get out of government the old career people and get some new fresh blood in there. Alot of the politics as usual that is forming this country is coming from people who have spent the majority of their adult lives in there and this is what makes all about politics instead of what is right for the masses. As with this instance of the mosque, it is more about leverage to win than it is anything because these tactics are the only thing that will work. I agree with adgal when she says it is a beautiful plan, but is it just and moral and the right thing to do? When and if they get their power back, the rest of us are left with dealing with the fallout. Nothing good and just can come of this imo.
Also very well put. You express yourself so well. And I agree...there is nothing good to come of this. I wish people would just sit down with each other and talk...ask questions. And not condemn individuals unless they have actually been found guilty of a crime. I cannot imagine being convicted of something simply for my religious beliefs and/or my race. What a frightening way to live.
I think you're taking assimilation in the wrong sense. Are we asking them to abandon their religion, dress, customs, etc.? NO. But community involvement would be nice.
My children attended the same elementary school. I had at least one of my children in that school for about 10 years. During that time, I was homeroom mom more times than I care to count. With 2 universities here, we have a very diverse community. I always sent out notes to parents concerning food allergies and restrictions. The only problem I ever had was with Muslim parents. They didn't answer me so I assumed there were no problems. I knew we had kids allergic to red dye and peanuts so I made sure nothing with that was served. Only after the first party did I hear a complaint about the food served from a Muslim parent. We have ladies from India who wear their native clothing to school and are just lovely and helpful. But I got no cooperation from Muslim parents and had to ask the kids what they could and couldn't have. THAT IS RIDICULOUS!! The Muslim parents would have nothing to do with us. I did try to make overtures but was just glared at. And yes, they all spoke English very well.
That's just my experience. Why won't they volunteer in the school? OR participate in local politics or community forum and organizations?
You don't move to a new country and expect them to bend to your customs. And when asked, you should reply if there is a problem. Here, they keep completely to themselves despite others trying to get them involved. And that does create suspicion.
Many of these mosques are being funded by Saudi Arabia. The one in Tennessee had ties to Hamas. I understand that others on this forum have no problem with Hamas funding a mosque but I do. And so does the US Government. And when the funding of mosques is not disclosed, I assume there is something to hide. The Ground Zero mosque Imam needs to disclose the funding sources for his mosque.
Another point, I'll ask again. HOW is it "building bridges" between the Muslim community and the mosque opposition by ramming it through? They know it's painful for the 9/11 victims and families but apparently don't care. Personally, I can't imagine how painful it will be for those families to have to listen to the calls to prayer while visiting the memorial. The last words those on the planes heard were "Allah Akbar". Why do their loved ones have to listen to it broadcast at their memorial? That is totally insensitive to their feelings.
My children attended the same elementary school. I had at least one of my children in that school for about 10 years. During that time, I was homeroom mom more times than I care to count. With 2 universities here, we have a very diverse community. I always sent out notes to parents concerning food allergies and restrictions. The only problem I ever had was with Muslim parents. They didn't answer me so I assumed there were no problems. I knew we had kids allergic to red dye and peanuts so I made sure nothing with that was served. Only after the first party did I hear a complaint about the food served from a Muslim parent. We have ladies from India who wear their native clothing to school and are just lovely and helpful. But I got no cooperation from Muslim parents and had to ask the kids what they could and couldn't have. THAT IS RIDICULOUS!! The Muslim parents would have nothing to do with us. I did try to make overtures but was just glared at. And yes, they all spoke English very well.
That's just my experience. Why won't they volunteer in the school? OR participate in local politics or community forum and organizations?
You don't move to a new country and expect them to bend to your customs. And when asked, you should reply if there is a problem. Here, they keep completely to themselves despite others trying to get them involved. And that does create suspicion.
Many of these mosques are being funded by Saudi Arabia. The one in Tennessee had ties to Hamas. I understand that others on this forum have no problem with Hamas funding a mosque but I do. And so does the US Government. And when the funding of mosques is not disclosed, I assume there is something to hide. The Ground Zero mosque Imam needs to disclose the funding sources for his mosque.
Another point, I'll ask again. HOW is it "building bridges" between the Muslim community and the mosque opposition by ramming it through? They know it's painful for the 9/11 victims and families but apparently don't care. Personally, I can't imagine how painful it will be for those families to have to listen to the calls to prayer while visiting the memorial. The last words those on the planes heard were "Allah Akbar". Why do their loved ones have to listen to it broadcast at their memorial? That is totally insensitive to their feelings.
The bottom line in my opinion is this. Every single individual should be treated as just that...an individual. Until the day comes where we are able to see directly into someone's heart and mind, they should be pressumed innocent unless they commit a crime. I have heard it said that this Mosque is a victory symbol...as if that is a fact, not a question. No one knows for certain. If it turns out it is being funded by a terrorist group, that becomes a whole different story and should then be dealt with accordingly. If it turns out to be a recruiting centre for radicals, same thing. But until that is proven, the law states they can build it, and that should be respected. When feelings come up against legal rights, legal rights should win. That is part of what make countries like yours and mine so great. I shudder to think what might happen if we start assuming people are guilty without evidence. If it can happen to these folks. don't think for a second it can't happen to us. I too feel for the victims of 911. But there was a Mosque there before. I too have had concern over some of the statements made by this Imam. But both the Bush and Obama administration have vetted this guy and he has been found to be moderate. Sometimes we have to have a little trust.
What is so frustrating to watch and see is how this particular issue is being used as an example of some sort of Muslim takover of the US. It would seem that all these Muslims who are speaking out against terror attacks are being conveniently overlooked. And now we are starting to see crazy things....politicians talking about terror babies. A resurgence in the belief that Obama must be Muslim...how they are getting there is still beyond me. Demonstrations against Mosques in other places, and a Q'aran burning. That is evidence that the distrust is turning to hate...for no reason other then someones culture and religious beliefs are different then their own. That is scary stuff. And yes, I do believe the right is using this to gain political power..I sure notice everyone is talking a whole lot more about these non political issues then the real issues that should decide who is your next President. Perhaps it's all they have left to go on.
And as for the funding of this Mosque, there can be no disclosure at this point. As it has been stated time and time again, there is no funding in place yet. They do not have the money to build. So how can they disclose that which does not yet exist?
What is so frustrating to watch and see is how this particular issue is being used as an example of some sort of Muslim takover of the US. It would seem that all these Muslims who are speaking out against terror attacks are being conveniently overlooked. And now we are starting to see crazy things....politicians talking about terror babies. A resurgence in the belief that Obama must be Muslim...how they are getting there is still beyond me. Demonstrations against Mosques in other places, and a Q'aran burning. That is evidence that the distrust is turning to hate...for no reason other then someones culture and religious beliefs are different then their own. That is scary stuff. And yes, I do believe the right is using this to gain political power..I sure notice everyone is talking a whole lot more about these non political issues then the real issues that should decide who is your next President. Perhaps it's all they have left to go on.
And as for the funding of this Mosque, there can be no disclosure at this point. As it has been stated time and time again, there is no funding in place yet. They do not have the money to build. So how can they disclose that which does not yet exist?
There is still the same mosque in the area. It's a few miles away. This was Burlington Coat factory before it was hit and damaged in the attack.
I still don't understand how something that is causing so much grief to the victims and families of 9/11 can be seen as a good thing.
I still don't understand how something that is causing so much grief to the victims and families of 9/11 can be seen as a good thing.
I dunno now, I have heard rumours that Rupert? of fox news had a stake in it! Now that would be terrorism at its best.
And you all thought I was kidding didnt ya! lol
The Daily Show Probes Fox News' Terrorism Backer
Reported by Ellen - Tue 2:30 PM
Several Fox News hosts have pointed to connections between the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" and Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal as evidence that the mosque is connected to Islamic extremism. Yet none of the hosts revealed that Prince Al-Waleed is the second-largest shareholder in News Corp., the parent company of Fox. Jon Stewart put this lapse under the Daily Show's microscope! Were the omissions stupid or evil? We report, you decide... and have a good laugh.
http://www.newshounds.us/2010/08/24/the_daily_show_probes_fox_news_terrorism_backer.php#more
The Daily Show Probes Fox News' Terrorism Backer
Reported by Ellen - Tue 2:30 PM
Several Fox News hosts have pointed to connections between the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" and Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal as evidence that the mosque is connected to Islamic extremism. Yet none of the hosts revealed that Prince Al-Waleed is the second-largest shareholder in News Corp., the parent company of Fox. Jon Stewart put this lapse under the Daily Show's microscope! Were the omissions stupid or evil? We report, you decide... and have a good laugh.
http://www.newshounds.us/2010/08/24/the_daily_show_probes_fox_news_terrorism_backer.php#more
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