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As President Obama and his family continue their tour of Africa, the White House put out a Fact Sheet entitled "U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa." One of the first items highlighted by the White House is a $53 million program in Kenya that helps young people "obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-touts-kenyan-program-obtain-national-id-cards-voter-registration_737990.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-touts-kenyan-program-obtain-national-id-cards-voter-registration_737990.html
mike you have another person to join you now. Your clown act is getting bigger and bigger.
Try real hard to think it through. Hopefully, you'll figure it out.
Teko said to brice: But in a nutshell, I agree with you that money should not be going out the window anywhere to anyone if we are in dire straights. Just proves to me we been sold a bill of bull all along.
Mike said:It's a national ID and it's been used to discriminate against minorities. Of course, one must research a little to be able to appreciate this.
Desrt posted about useless programs in Africa
*Why* do you have to froth at the mouth with your negativity?
This was an informative thread that you are trying to unravel with your ridiculous jabs at Teko, accusing her of being brainwashed.
If you want ppl to bother to read your posts, please restrain yourself a little.
Mike said:It's a national ID and it's been used to discriminate against minorities. Of course, one must research a little to be able to appreciate this.
Desrt posted about useless programs in Africa
*Why* do you have to froth at the mouth with your negativity?
This was an informative thread that you are trying to unravel with your ridiculous jabs at Teko, accusing her of being brainwashed.
If you want ppl to bother to read your posts, please restrain yourself a little.
It's a national ID and it's been used to discriminate against minorities. Of course, one must research a little to be able to appreciate this.
Then what is Obama doing promoting this.
teko I'm sorry but you are so brainwashed it's not even laughable anymore.
Then what is Obama doing promoting this.
teko I'm sorry but you are so brainwashed it's not even laughable anymore.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/whats-your-problem/309403/
"Q: My daughter’s school has a mandatory volunteer program, and one of the activities she can participate in is a trip to Africa, where she would work among poor kids for 10 days. She is desperate to go, and I would like to send her, but it costs more than $2,500. I’m a single mom, and I don’t think this program actually benefits Africans. But will my daughter be hurt in the college-admissions process if she doesn’t go to Africa?
Dear S.A.,
If your daughter had a cure for malaria, then her participation would benefit the children of Africa. Otherwise, what you’re describing sounds like a condescending exercise in ego-tourism. If I were the leader of a struggling African village, I would rather have your $2,500 in cash than 10 days of access to your daughter’s limited set of skills. Also, I asked college-admissions officers what they make of these programs. Their answer, uniformly, was: not much. Brief programs demanding thousands of dollars from the parents of “mandatory volunteers” who have not earned the right to instruct Africans on how they should live reveal little about prospective students."
"Q: My daughter’s school has a mandatory volunteer program, and one of the activities she can participate in is a trip to Africa, where she would work among poor kids for 10 days. She is desperate to go, and I would like to send her, but it costs more than $2,500. I’m a single mom, and I don’t think this program actually benefits Africans. But will my daughter be hurt in the college-admissions process if she doesn’t go to Africa?
Dear S.A.,
If your daughter had a cure for malaria, then her participation would benefit the children of Africa. Otherwise, what you’re describing sounds like a condescending exercise in ego-tourism. If I were the leader of a struggling African village, I would rather have your $2,500 in cash than 10 days of access to your daughter’s limited set of skills. Also, I asked college-admissions officers what they make of these programs. Their answer, uniformly, was: not much. Brief programs demanding thousands of dollars from the parents of “mandatory volunteers” who have not earned the right to instruct Africans on how they should live reveal little about prospective students."
It's a whole lot more than just a voter ID program - It's a national ID and it's been used to discriminate against minorities. Of course, one must research a little to be able to appreciate this.
Domestic Legal Framework for Recognition of Citizenship
Under Kenya’s Registration of Persons Act, citizens 18 or over must register with the National Registration Bureau and obtain a national ID. Failure to do so is a crime. The Kenyan National Human Rights Commission describes national identification as being "at the core in determining the extent to which an individual enjoys … rights and freedoms." ID cards are required to register to vote, obtain a passport, purchase property, open a bank account, conduct business, seek employment, access higher education, enter government buildings, and get married. A Nubian elder explained, "National ID is a matter of survival. Without it, you are a non-entity. You don’t exist."
The registration process relies on the Constitution of Kenya and the Kenya Citizenship Act, which provide that citizenship can be obtained through birth, descent, registration, or naturalization. The latter three methods generally apply to persons born outside Kenya. The registration process requires proof of age, usually shown by a birth certificate, and proof of citizenship. This second requirement creates the most obstacles for certain minorities. Typically, individuals obtaining citizenship by birth only need to demonstrate one parent is a Kenyan citizen, usually by presenting a parent’s national ID. However, for Nubians, Kenyan Somalis, and coastal Arabs, the standard is higher and more arbitrary in practice. Registration officials have broad discretion under Section 8 of the Registration Act, which permits officers to require an applicant to produce additional evidence "as it is within the power of that person to furnish." Under Section 5, the Principle Registrar may demand proof of "other particulars as may be prescribed."
In addition, Kenyan citizenship law does not fully protect women, children, and refugees. Women cannot pass nationality to their children. Children of unknown origin or who might otherwise be stateless, including some orphans and street children, are not automatically granted Kenyan nationality. Refugees cannot naturalize, increasing the risk of statelessness over time.
Discrimination in Access to Proof of Citizenship
The registration process discriminates against groups with historical or ethnic ties to other countries. Security concerns have also created obstacles to citizenship.
Nubians. Originating in Sudan, Nubians came to Kenya in the 19th century as conscripts of the British colonial army and now number close to 100,000. Although Nubians have resided in Kenya for over a century, they are not one of 42 officially recognized ethnic groups. Applicants previously had to demonstrate that a grandparent was born in or had become a citizen of Kenya. Nubian applications are routinely subjected to scrutiny by a "vetting committee," comprised of security and immigration officials, as well as community elders who can presumably vouch for an applicant’s identity. Use of vetting committees presumes applicants are non-citizens until proven otherwise.
Somalis. Traditionally, Somalis live in pastoralist communities throughout the region. Due to decades of waxing and waning Somali separatism, and the fact that Kenya hosts thousands of refugees from Somalia, the government imposes strict registration processes on Kenyan Somalis. The process is reportedly inconsistent and burdened with suspicion, harassment, and corruption. Applicants must appear before vetting committees, the outcome of which one person described as "random, pure luck." Individuals are sometimes required to register in their "home" districts, places not easily accessible, with which a person may have no practical connection. They may be asked to show a pink card from a screening process that occurred in the late 1980s, but that did not cover all Kenyan Somalis. Individuals have obtained national ID through bribery. One person said, "As long as I have cash in my pocket, that’s my ID." Appeals have been reportedly met with police harassment or threats of detention.
Members of the Galjeel community, a Somali sub-clan of about 3,000 in Tana River region, report being stripped of citizenship and forced to pay bribes as high as USD$165 to obtain ID. Others have changed their identities to expedite registration, declaring they are from a different ethnic group or naming another individual as a parent. The registration office is three hours away by foot. One man commented, "We are a forgotten people. The only way to exist is through other tribes." The Galjeel now face forced eviction by multinational corporations with no plan for where the community can reside.
Coastal Arabs. Similar levels of scrutiny were reported among the coastal Arab community, which has long existed on the Kenyan coast and contributed to the development of Kiswahili language and culture. They are subject to vetting committees and report being arbitrarily denied ID cards. Officials have purportedly required title deeds and grandparents’ birth certificates, and a perception persists that registrants with Muslim names face longer delays than those without. Discrimination in the registration process is perceived to be part of a larger pattern of suspicion and marginalization following 9/11, prompting one man to observe "the majority of coastals do not feel that they are part of Kenya."
http://www.refintl.org/policy/field-report/kenya-national-registration-processes-leave-minorities-edge-statelessness
Domestic Legal Framework for Recognition of Citizenship
Under Kenya’s Registration of Persons Act, citizens 18 or over must register with the National Registration Bureau and obtain a national ID. Failure to do so is a crime. The Kenyan National Human Rights Commission describes national identification as being "at the core in determining the extent to which an individual enjoys … rights and freedoms." ID cards are required to register to vote, obtain a passport, purchase property, open a bank account, conduct business, seek employment, access higher education, enter government buildings, and get married. A Nubian elder explained, "National ID is a matter of survival. Without it, you are a non-entity. You don’t exist."
The registration process relies on the Constitution of Kenya and the Kenya Citizenship Act, which provide that citizenship can be obtained through birth, descent, registration, or naturalization. The latter three methods generally apply to persons born outside Kenya. The registration process requires proof of age, usually shown by a birth certificate, and proof of citizenship. This second requirement creates the most obstacles for certain minorities. Typically, individuals obtaining citizenship by birth only need to demonstrate one parent is a Kenyan citizen, usually by presenting a parent’s national ID. However, for Nubians, Kenyan Somalis, and coastal Arabs, the standard is higher and more arbitrary in practice. Registration officials have broad discretion under Section 8 of the Registration Act, which permits officers to require an applicant to produce additional evidence "as it is within the power of that person to furnish." Under Section 5, the Principle Registrar may demand proof of "other particulars as may be prescribed."
In addition, Kenyan citizenship law does not fully protect women, children, and refugees. Women cannot pass nationality to their children. Children of unknown origin or who might otherwise be stateless, including some orphans and street children, are not automatically granted Kenyan nationality. Refugees cannot naturalize, increasing the risk of statelessness over time.
Discrimination in Access to Proof of Citizenship
The registration process discriminates against groups with historical or ethnic ties to other countries. Security concerns have also created obstacles to citizenship.
Nubians. Originating in Sudan, Nubians came to Kenya in the 19th century as conscripts of the British colonial army and now number close to 100,000. Although Nubians have resided in Kenya for over a century, they are not one of 42 officially recognized ethnic groups. Applicants previously had to demonstrate that a grandparent was born in or had become a citizen of Kenya. Nubian applications are routinely subjected to scrutiny by a "vetting committee," comprised of security and immigration officials, as well as community elders who can presumably vouch for an applicant’s identity. Use of vetting committees presumes applicants are non-citizens until proven otherwise.
Somalis. Traditionally, Somalis live in pastoralist communities throughout the region. Due to decades of waxing and waning Somali separatism, and the fact that Kenya hosts thousands of refugees from Somalia, the government imposes strict registration processes on Kenyan Somalis. The process is reportedly inconsistent and burdened with suspicion, harassment, and corruption. Applicants must appear before vetting committees, the outcome of which one person described as "random, pure luck." Individuals are sometimes required to register in their "home" districts, places not easily accessible, with which a person may have no practical connection. They may be asked to show a pink card from a screening process that occurred in the late 1980s, but that did not cover all Kenyan Somalis. Individuals have obtained national ID through bribery. One person said, "As long as I have cash in my pocket, that’s my ID." Appeals have been reportedly met with police harassment or threats of detention.
Members of the Galjeel community, a Somali sub-clan of about 3,000 in Tana River region, report being stripped of citizenship and forced to pay bribes as high as USD$165 to obtain ID. Others have changed their identities to expedite registration, declaring they are from a different ethnic group or naming another individual as a parent. The registration office is three hours away by foot. One man commented, "We are a forgotten people. The only way to exist is through other tribes." The Galjeel now face forced eviction by multinational corporations with no plan for where the community can reside.
Coastal Arabs. Similar levels of scrutiny were reported among the coastal Arab community, which has long existed on the Kenyan coast and contributed to the development of Kiswahili language and culture. They are subject to vetting committees and report being arbitrarily denied ID cards. Officials have purportedly required title deeds and grandparents’ birth certificates, and a perception persists that registrants with Muslim names face longer delays than those without. Discrimination in the registration process is perceived to be part of a larger pattern of suspicion and marginalization following 9/11, prompting one man to observe "the majority of coastals do not feel that they are part of Kenya."
http://www.refintl.org/policy/field-report/kenya-national-registration-processes-leave-minorities-edge-statelessness
But in a nutshell, I agree with you that money should not be going out the window anywhere to anyone if we are in dire straights. Just proves to me we been sold a bill of bull all along.
Couple things -- from the linked article …
"U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa." One of the first items highlighted by the White House is a $53 million program in Kenya that helps young people "obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration."
Did the Weekly Standard ***** when George W. Bush covered his *** by "justifying" his ******** war in Iraq as "Spreading democracy throughout the Middle East" after the WMD lie became evident? That deal cost 4,000 + American lives and many hundreds of billions of dollars.
Not afreaking peep!
As for a "National Identification Card" as opposed to Republican-racist voter suppression "jump through hoops and maybe you'll get a photo ID" state-by-state ******** (i.e. Wisconsin closed motor vehicle/photo ID centers in Democratic districts and extended hours in Republican districts), while I don't like the concept generically, it beats the **** out of what happened in 2012. If there's going to be a Voter ID requirement, it must be uniform, easily obtainable, and free -- unlike the red state ******** we see now.
Beyond that, we've had voter ID in the US all along; utility bills and other proof of identification worked just fine until the Tea Party and the Koch Brothers funded a propaganda campaign targeting minorities, students, the elderly and other traditional Democrat voters. The Bush Justice Department conducted an investigation AND FOUND VIRTUALLY NO VOTER FRAUD!
The "hypocrisy" is not hypocrisy at all, rather the resistance by Democrats to "Voter ID" laws that are not that at all. Because Boobus americana took the term on its face value, Republicans used the fraud term "Voter ID" to pull all sorts of crap!
One of many examples.
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Ele...
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/26/1234171/florida-republi...
"U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa." One of the first items highlighted by the White House is a $53 million program in Kenya that helps young people "obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration."
Did the Weekly Standard ***** when George W. Bush covered his *** by "justifying" his ******** war in Iraq as "Spreading democracy throughout the Middle East" after the WMD lie became evident? That deal cost 4,000 + American lives and many hundreds of billions of dollars.
Not afreaking peep!
As for a "National Identification Card" as opposed to Republican-racist voter suppression "jump through hoops and maybe you'll get a photo ID" state-by-state ******** (i.e. Wisconsin closed motor vehicle/photo ID centers in Democratic districts and extended hours in Republican districts), while I don't like the concept generically, it beats the **** out of what happened in 2012. If there's going to be a Voter ID requirement, it must be uniform, easily obtainable, and free -- unlike the red state ******** we see now.
Beyond that, we've had voter ID in the US all along; utility bills and other proof of identification worked just fine until the Tea Party and the Koch Brothers funded a propaganda campaign targeting minorities, students, the elderly and other traditional Democrat voters. The Bush Justice Department conducted an investigation AND FOUND VIRTUALLY NO VOTER FRAUD!
The "hypocrisy" is not hypocrisy at all, rather the resistance by Democrats to "Voter ID" laws that are not that at all. Because Boobus americana took the term on its face value, Republicans used the fraud term "Voter ID" to pull all sorts of crap!
One of many examples.
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Ele...
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/26/1234171/florida-republi...
I'm sorry. I am not for any money leaving this country right now. We are trying to make some kind of a recovery and that money can be spent on anything that was ever mentioned as important for a recovery. Just doesn't make a whole bunch of sense to give money away when we don't have any money to give.
NO IT DOESN'T, IT IS A VOTER ID PROGRAM.
But if you notice, the first source ONLY mentions the Kenya initiative. Implying what?
The second source however goes on to name other initiatives. While I agree that we need to be takin care of our own so to speak, my problem with the first source is that it takes a part of the article and implies? Leaving out the rest of them..... Which is....
In Kenya, the $53 million Yes Youth Can program empowers nearly one million Kenyan youth to use their voices for advocacy in national and local policy-making, while also creating economic opportunities. In advance of Kenya’s March 2013 general elections, Yes Youth Can’s “My ID My Life” campaign helped 500,000 youth obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration, and carried out a successful nationwide campaign with Kenyan civic organizations to elicit peace pledges from all presidential aspirants.
In Tanzania, the United States has dedicated $14 million to strengthening government accountability institutions and linking them with Tanzanian civil society watchdog groups and civic activists in a constructive partnership to further government transparency. The program focuses on improving access to information for Tanzanian citizens in four key development sectors: health, education, natural resource management, and food security.
The United States will soon launch a program in West Africa to build the capacity of civil society organizations to responsibly advocate on land tenure issues, including land rights, working closely with governments and the private sector to improve responsible natural resource utilization and the protection and advancement of human rights and economic development.
When you read it in its entirety, puts a whole new spin on it! Dont it?
The second source however goes on to name other initiatives. While I agree that we need to be takin care of our own so to speak, my problem with the first source is that it takes a part of the article and implies? Leaving out the rest of them..... Which is....
In Kenya, the $53 million Yes Youth Can program empowers nearly one million Kenyan youth to use their voices for advocacy in national and local policy-making, while also creating economic opportunities. In advance of Kenya’s March 2013 general elections, Yes Youth Can’s “My ID My Life” campaign helped 500,000 youth obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration, and carried out a successful nationwide campaign with Kenyan civic organizations to elicit peace pledges from all presidential aspirants.
In Tanzania, the United States has dedicated $14 million to strengthening government accountability institutions and linking them with Tanzanian civil society watchdog groups and civic activists in a constructive partnership to further government transparency. The program focuses on improving access to information for Tanzanian citizens in four key development sectors: health, education, natural resource management, and food security.
The United States will soon launch a program in West Africa to build the capacity of civil society organizations to responsibly advocate on land tenure issues, including land rights, working closely with governments and the private sector to improve responsible natural resource utilization and the protection and advancement of human rights and economic development.
When you read it in its entirety, puts a whole new spin on it! Dont it?
$53 million that could not have been used here? That's interesting..... Infrastructure-Sminfrastructure.....
IT IS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE FACT SHEET. You will do anything to try to deny the truth.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/27/fact-sheet-us-support-strengthening-democratic-institutions-rule-law-and
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/27/fact-sheet-us-support-strengthening-democratic-institutions-rule-law-and
I can't....and I won't....
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