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Left as things are currently, medicaid, medicare and social security will be null and void in a decade. We all have our own views of the problems and/or the solutions to them. I do not think everyone will be happy no matter what happens. America has many issues facing it today and we brought it all upon our selves. We live in a different world than we did 20 years ago and unfortunately change is the name of the game. Things cannot and will not continue as they have been. I think they call it progress. Each generation down thru the years have been unwilling when it comes to change. People said the same things when social security came about. lol We are a peculiar bunch! I have many misgivings just like everyone else, but also realize that if I go throw myself out in front of the white house, the only thing they are gonna do is put me in jail! At least I would have health care tho! (meant as humor only!)
You have hit the nail on the head RJ I think a lot are begining to see the light, and what you have quoted is only a small part of what they are trying to do, they keep the big issues out in the spotlight whilst passing all kinds of stuff we dont know about, dont listen to a word he says but watch what he does, also Foreign Policy is up the shute ,he doesnt know what he is doing, there are a miriad of problems, the economy should be the most important thing to address, and jobs, but NO he has spent all years focused on other countries most of whom are laughing at him, Germany came out and called him a wimp recently.I actually think he knows what he is doing, he never liked America and you can tell by his punishing/negativity he doesnt .He called for Transparency and said everything would be open as you have just said its all behind closed doors..and where on earth does everyone think trillions and trillions of Dollars are coming from..the tooth Fairy ? In the Hisory of America no one has run up this kind of debt , my honest opinion is we are going broke, bankrupt ....
According to the plan, insurance is mandatory. Those that do not buy insurance will have to pay a fine and face jail time. The plan they have is still going to leave a large number of people without insurance coverage. It doesn't make sense to fine people that don't carry it because they can't pay for it, then fine them and put them in jail. What has been accomplished from that? They don't advise people of their methods to get their money from those that don't pay, either, and believe me they will get their money, even if you won't have food to eat when they get finished. Many don't carry insurance because they can't live off of their paychecks, those that still get one.
From what I see, one of our biggest problems is illegal people. They get medical help at hospitals that we pay for in taxes. Not being a citizen, they can't make them pay for it. There is no way to collect the money on a non-citizen because collection laws do not apply to them. So, States have to cover by taxes, be it state or federal. Citizens however can go through their Social Services for care and what they pay is determined by their income. In Virginia, those that go through that system get excellent care by going through a medical college hospital. Top drs train others to be drs, and everything is monitored by the teaching physician. They have all the newest technology, and only the best of drs are chosen to teach. Though I have insurance, I still go through those same drs, because they are the best at what they do.
We have lost control here, but it is not our fault, it is our leaders not doing their job. We also allow people to come here and work by having authorization through the government, but they are non-citizens. My husband worked with one for years. He braged to other workers that he got his whole paycheck because he paid no taxes. He had to go home every so often to keep his status, then come back and work at the same job. He had a girlfriend that he had several children with. She was taken care of by Social Services because she is a citizen. He still lived with her, but was not made to take care of their children the way any other man can by law, because the laws did not apply to him. He told all of that to his co-workers and laughed. All that he did, was protected, because of laws that did not apply to him.
We can have a big heart and want to help everyone, but we cannot take care of the world. There has to be a limit to what is allowed. There are thousands working and taking jobs from others that are citizens, because they will work for lower wages, well they can do that if more than 1/3 of their pay is not taken the way it is for citizens. They can work for less, and still get a larger paycheck. Now the government wants to provide their care by taking more money in federal taxes, and make us take their insurance. They can say they won't but they will. Obama's own aunt is illegal and living in government housing. Now how did that happen? Qualifying for govt housing, she qualified for govenment care, food stamps, or whatever. Who foots the bill? The bill says we can have our insurance, but, if anything changes, coverage, cost, anything, we cannot continue it and have to go with the government insurance. They have a date listed in the bill that begins and ends our choice of coverage, and grandfather clause. Does anyone think the government is going to give us choice about anything that they can make money on? The illegal will still get care, and still not pay. Citizens that can't afford it, and there are many, will be fined, and the government will collect their money by whatever means possible, taking savings, clearing out checking accounts, taking all of your paycheck, or taking anything you own. I have seen it happen. It is called IRS.
Other Countries monitor the ins and outs of their borders, preventing just what we are dealing with. Can people that are not working pay for insurance? So, where does that leave them? Don't think that illegal workers are not taking jobs that citizens are losing their jobs over, because they are. The type of work my son does, and there are many in his field out of work, is now filled with people that have crossed the boarder. He has done that type of work for over 20 yrs and knows many, many people that are out of work in that same field, all saying the same thing. Does the government do anything about that? Would those workers be working and able to carry insurance if they had those jobs?
There is more to correcting the Health Care than the government control. Premiums go up because salaries go up, cost of care goes up when hospitals and drs are trying to provide better techniques for their patients and taking additional education to give better care. Our cost of living is higher, so is theirs. If we could shop for insurance, the competition would help us. If unemployment wasn't through the roof, more people could afford it. If illegal people weren't taking jobs, our economy would recover. Not one thing is even mentioned cleaning that mess up. Everything is just getting worse and worse and the government extends their hand and in the end they own us. If the government closes down insurance companies, that is going to be even higher unemployment. Obama is suppose to be so smart, he can't figure out anything but government control, and less freedom? I think it is a shame to pay for votes by including big money for a State, as one example, and meetings behind closed doors only with his party, for another. So what is going on that it has to be hidden?
From what I see, one of our biggest problems is illegal people. They get medical help at hospitals that we pay for in taxes. Not being a citizen, they can't make them pay for it. There is no way to collect the money on a non-citizen because collection laws do not apply to them. So, States have to cover by taxes, be it state or federal. Citizens however can go through their Social Services for care and what they pay is determined by their income. In Virginia, those that go through that system get excellent care by going through a medical college hospital. Top drs train others to be drs, and everything is monitored by the teaching physician. They have all the newest technology, and only the best of drs are chosen to teach. Though I have insurance, I still go through those same drs, because they are the best at what they do.
We have lost control here, but it is not our fault, it is our leaders not doing their job. We also allow people to come here and work by having authorization through the government, but they are non-citizens. My husband worked with one for years. He braged to other workers that he got his whole paycheck because he paid no taxes. He had to go home every so often to keep his status, then come back and work at the same job. He had a girlfriend that he had several children with. She was taken care of by Social Services because she is a citizen. He still lived with her, but was not made to take care of their children the way any other man can by law, because the laws did not apply to him. He told all of that to his co-workers and laughed. All that he did, was protected, because of laws that did not apply to him.
We can have a big heart and want to help everyone, but we cannot take care of the world. There has to be a limit to what is allowed. There are thousands working and taking jobs from others that are citizens, because they will work for lower wages, well they can do that if more than 1/3 of their pay is not taken the way it is for citizens. They can work for less, and still get a larger paycheck. Now the government wants to provide their care by taking more money in federal taxes, and make us take their insurance. They can say they won't but they will. Obama's own aunt is illegal and living in government housing. Now how did that happen? Qualifying for govt housing, she qualified for govenment care, food stamps, or whatever. Who foots the bill? The bill says we can have our insurance, but, if anything changes, coverage, cost, anything, we cannot continue it and have to go with the government insurance. They have a date listed in the bill that begins and ends our choice of coverage, and grandfather clause. Does anyone think the government is going to give us choice about anything that they can make money on? The illegal will still get care, and still not pay. Citizens that can't afford it, and there are many, will be fined, and the government will collect their money by whatever means possible, taking savings, clearing out checking accounts, taking all of your paycheck, or taking anything you own. I have seen it happen. It is called IRS.
Other Countries monitor the ins and outs of their borders, preventing just what we are dealing with. Can people that are not working pay for insurance? So, where does that leave them? Don't think that illegal workers are not taking jobs that citizens are losing their jobs over, because they are. The type of work my son does, and there are many in his field out of work, is now filled with people that have crossed the boarder. He has done that type of work for over 20 yrs and knows many, many people that are out of work in that same field, all saying the same thing. Does the government do anything about that? Would those workers be working and able to carry insurance if they had those jobs?
There is more to correcting the Health Care than the government control. Premiums go up because salaries go up, cost of care goes up when hospitals and drs are trying to provide better techniques for their patients and taking additional education to give better care. Our cost of living is higher, so is theirs. If we could shop for insurance, the competition would help us. If unemployment wasn't through the roof, more people could afford it. If illegal people weren't taking jobs, our economy would recover. Not one thing is even mentioned cleaning that mess up. Everything is just getting worse and worse and the government extends their hand and in the end they own us. If the government closes down insurance companies, that is going to be even higher unemployment. Obama is suppose to be so smart, he can't figure out anything but government control, and less freedom? I think it is a shame to pay for votes by including big money for a State, as one example, and meetings behind closed doors only with his party, for another. So what is going on that it has to be hidden?
teko, you are right -- we are paying for those who don't have insurance, but with the new health care reform --- who is going to decide how *I* can pay for insurance premiums?? Just because a certain amount is affordable for one person, doesn't mean it's going to affordable for someone else -- so one of my major problems is the idea of *affordable* --- we know the dimwits in Washington have so much money, they don't know what to do with it, so what if THEY decide that a figure of something around $2000/month is "affordable" -- not for me, it isn't!!!
And I haven't even touched on the fact that they are taking away MY right to decide what's best for ME and my family.
And I haven't even touched on the fact that they are taking away MY right to decide what's best for ME and my family.
The problem with that barb, at least from my standpoint is that we will be in the same boat we are in now. The uninsured are treated at the ER and when they do not have insurance, guess who foots the bill. Everyone who does have it pays the premiums to cover those persons. If we can get affordable health insurance, should not all be required as to prevent the very problem we now face? Im just thinkin out loud here, but if they make it affordable? I think they said they will be options for those who still cannot get it, like Medicaid if they qualify. Anyways, it will be interesting to c what comes out of all this. I am afraid after all is said and done it will be a watered down version and that is a different story altogether. As far as the subject of freedom, not being able to get it is not what I call freedoms either.
Barb thats what makes me mad a lot of young folks dont want it and hey we dont know what its going to cost per month that we HAVE to have ...truly freedom is down the drain,what about the fact that the taxes are starting now this next tax year yet it wont be for 4 years that healthcare starts ....
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