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How Canada intends to deal with illegal immigrants..
TORONTO - A controversial policy that will enable Ottawa to buy airline tickets for failed refugees and give them up to $2,000 each to leave Canada is slated to take effect in June next year.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
The initiative has been met with applause by lawyers and immigration workers.
“The Canadian taxpayers will save a lot of money by getting these people to leave right away,” said lawyer Richard Kurland. “If they don’t leave we have to pay to carry them.”
It costs millions of dollars to “track, monitor and remove” failed claimants who may go underground and not leave, Kurland said.
Public Safety Ministry officials said there are about 9,200 failed refugees who go underground in the Toronto-area yearly. There are 44,000 immigration offenders on the lam nationwide.
The way things work now “money is not generally given directly to the failed asylum claimant” besides incidental expenses such as meal money or taxi fare, according to the AVR program. The new proposal would make “it more likely for failed claimants to reintegrate into their home country and less likely to return to Canada.”
Ottawa said the funds dished out to failed claimants would be managed and distributed by an independent service provider on behalf of Ottawa.
The $2,000 being handed out is not a strong incentive for claimants to submit false claims to defraud the system, immigration officials said.
Failed claimants are eligible for the program if they do not have a criminal record, meet all their reporting requirements and abide by terms and conditions imposed. Those who leave voluntarily are allowed to apply to return to Canada.
Officials said those who abuse the program can be imposed with a temporary ban on returning to Canada or may have to reimburse the Canada Border Services Agency for assistance received.
The program is in existence right now in about 18 European countries. Federal immigration officials said the “funding support is a conservative amount” compared to a program in the United Kingdom that dishes out $7,200 per claimant.
The program sparked controversy in the U.K. when it began, from people who accused the government of doling out taxpayers’ money in times of economic restraint.
Immigration officials said voluntary returns allow failed claimants to go back to their homeland with dignity and anonymity.
TORONTO - A controversial policy that will enable Ottawa to buy airline tickets for failed refugees and give them up to $2,000 each to leave Canada is slated to take effect in June next year.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
The initiative has been met with applause by lawyers and immigration workers.
“The Canadian taxpayers will save a lot of money by getting these people to leave right away,” said lawyer Richard Kurland. “If they don’t leave we have to pay to carry them.”
It costs millions of dollars to “track, monitor and remove” failed claimants who may go underground and not leave, Kurland said.
Public Safety Ministry officials said there are about 9,200 failed refugees who go underground in the Toronto-area yearly. There are 44,000 immigration offenders on the lam nationwide.
The way things work now “money is not generally given directly to the failed asylum claimant” besides incidental expenses such as meal money or taxi fare, according to the AVR program. The new proposal would make “it more likely for failed claimants to reintegrate into their home country and less likely to return to Canada.”
Ottawa said the funds dished out to failed claimants would be managed and distributed by an independent service provider on behalf of Ottawa.
The $2,000 being handed out is not a strong incentive for claimants to submit false claims to defraud the system, immigration officials said.
Failed claimants are eligible for the program if they do not have a criminal record, meet all their reporting requirements and abide by terms and conditions imposed. Those who leave voluntarily are allowed to apply to return to Canada.
Officials said those who abuse the program can be imposed with a temporary ban on returning to Canada or may have to reimburse the Canada Border Services Agency for assistance received.
The program is in existence right now in about 18 European countries. Federal immigration officials said the “funding support is a conservative amount” compared to a program in the United Kingdom that dishes out $7,200 per claimant.
The program sparked controversy in the U.K. when it began, from people who accused the government of doling out taxpayers’ money in times of economic restraint.
Immigration officials said voluntary returns allow failed claimants to go back to their homeland with dignity and anonymity.
TORONTO - A controversial policy that will enable Ottawa to buy airline tickets for failed refugees and give them up to $2,000 each to leave Canada is slated to take effect in June next year.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
The initiative has been met with applause by lawyers and immigration workers.
“The Canadian taxpayers will save a lot of money by getting these people to leave right away,” said lawyer Richard Kurland. “If they don’t leave we have to pay to carry them.”
It costs millions of dollars to “track, monitor and remove” failed claimants who may go underground and not leave, Kurland said.
Public Safety Ministry officials said there are about 9,200 failed refugees who go underground in the Toronto-area yearly. There are 44,000 immigration offenders on the lam nationwide.
The way things work now “money is not generally given directly to the failed asylum claimant” besides incidental expenses such as meal money or taxi fare, according to the AVR program. The new proposal would make “it more likely for failed claimants to reintegrate into their home country and less likely to return to Canada.”
Ottawa said the funds dished out to failed claimants would be managed and distributed by an independent service provider on behalf of Ottawa.
The $2,000 being handed out is not a strong incentive for claimants to submit false claims to defraud the system, immigration officials said.
Failed claimants are eligible for the program if they do not have a criminal record, meet all their reporting requirements and abide by terms and conditions imposed. Those who leave voluntarily are allowed to apply to return to Canada.
Officials said those who abuse the program can be imposed with a temporary ban on returning to Canada or may have to reimburse the Canada Border Services Agency for assistance received.
The program is in existence right now in about 18 European countries. Federal immigration officials said the “funding support is a conservative amount” compared to a program in the United Kingdom that dishes out $7,200 per claimant.
The program sparked controversy in the U.K. when it began, from people who accused the government of doling out taxpayers’ money in times of economic restraint.
Immigration officials said voluntary returns allow failed claimants to go back to their homeland with dignity and anonymity.
TORONTO - A controversial policy that will enable Ottawa to buy airline tickets for failed refugees and give them up to $2,000 each to leave Canada is slated to take effect in June next year.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
The initiative has been met with applause by lawyers and immigration workers.
“The Canadian taxpayers will save a lot of money by getting these people to leave right away,” said lawyer Richard Kurland. “If they don’t leave we have to pay to carry them.”
It costs millions of dollars to “track, monitor and remove” failed claimants who may go underground and not leave, Kurland said.
Public Safety Ministry officials said there are about 9,200 failed refugees who go underground in the Toronto-area yearly. There are 44,000 immigration offenders on the lam nationwide.
The way things work now “money is not generally given directly to the failed asylum claimant” besides incidental expenses such as meal money or taxi fare, according to the AVR program. The new proposal would make “it more likely for failed claimants to reintegrate into their home country and less likely to return to Canada.”
Ottawa said the funds dished out to failed claimants would be managed and distributed by an independent service provider on behalf of Ottawa.
The $2,000 being handed out is not a strong incentive for claimants to submit false claims to defraud the system, immigration officials said.
Failed claimants are eligible for the program if they do not have a criminal record, meet all their reporting requirements and abide by terms and conditions imposed. Those who leave voluntarily are allowed to apply to return to Canada.
Officials said those who abuse the program can be imposed with a temporary ban on returning to Canada or may have to reimburse the Canada Border Services Agency for assistance received.
The program is in existence right now in about 18 European countries. Federal immigration officials said the “funding support is a conservative amount” compared to a program in the United Kingdom that dishes out $7,200 per claimant.
The program sparked controversy in the U.K. when it began, from people who accused the government of doling out taxpayers’ money in times of economic restraint.
Immigration officials said voluntary returns allow failed claimants to go back to their homeland with dignity and anonymity.
TORONTO - A controversial policy that will enable Ottawa to buy airline tickets for failed refugees and give them up to $2,000 each to leave Canada is slated to take effect in June next year.
Failed claimants under a Balanced Refugee Reform Act can use the $2,000 when they return home for education, vocational training, job placements or business pursuits, federal immigration officials said.
The Act, which will have refugee cases decided in a year, contains an Assisted
Voluntary Returns (AVR) program to give financial incentive to failed claimants to leave Canada and reintegrate them in their home country.
I suspect laws outlawing outsourcing are not passed because we live in countries that are based on capitalism. For the most part that is a good thing, and I am glad for it, but like anything in life it has it's negative side. You just can't prevent a company from doing what it needs to do to become more profitable. Plus, most of us look for items less expensive. I do it because I have to. I would love to say I always buy Canadian first, American second, but I will admit it..sometimes I don't because I simply cannot afford it.
Yes I agree with you. I just don't understand why proposed laws to limit outsourcing were never passed. Also I don't understand aside from cost saving why companies do this. There used to be a loyalty to the American worker. I have family that live in Pittsburgh and when the steel industry closed down, outsourcing being one reason the economy of the area went downhill. Detroit has had a population drop large enough that it is hardly a city anymore. I believe in the "made in America" campaign but its harder to follow this nowadays as more and more companies have outsourced. As an example I wondered why the generics of some of my medications were somewhat ineffective and then I read that many were made in countries like China without the standards that are used here. This is a separate topic but one that needs to be addressed.
I wrote my last post at work. Home now and have thought about this for awhile. Here is something I would like to see happen:
Teko, you are so correct in that our country, and yours to I believe, require immigration. For exactly the reasons you listed. I personally think we make legal immigration way harder and more expensive then perhaps it needs to be?
Maybe the answer is changing the actual immigration laws. I mean, as far as I am concerned, anyone who wants to come here, isn't a criminal (I mean real crimes, not victims of politics, etc.), and is after a better life SHOULD be made welcome. Someone being poor should not exclude them. And isn't that why most immigrate illegally? They can't afford the cost? I know for sure that here, most of our legal immigrants are quite wealthy in their home countries. The poor don't seem to have as much success. Maybe looking at the policies is the answer here...or is my little revelation something you all have already thought of...lol.
Teko, you are so correct in that our country, and yours to I believe, require immigration. For exactly the reasons you listed. I personally think we make legal immigration way harder and more expensive then perhaps it needs to be?
Maybe the answer is changing the actual immigration laws. I mean, as far as I am concerned, anyone who wants to come here, isn't a criminal (I mean real crimes, not victims of politics, etc.), and is after a better life SHOULD be made welcome. Someone being poor should not exclude them. And isn't that why most immigrate illegally? They can't afford the cost? I know for sure that here, most of our legal immigrants are quite wealthy in their home countries. The poor don't seem to have as much success. Maybe looking at the policies is the answer here...or is my little revelation something you all have already thought of...lol.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-American-Industries-still....here are 10 manufacturing industries that were listed among those having survived 'outsourcing' in the U.S. Bowling balls, sparklers, compact discs, pianos, socks, ironing boards, pencils, sneakers, electrical relays, and chopsticks. I would laugh if this wasn't so serious. What happened to our industrial base? (steel, furniture, appliances, autos/parts, clothing, farm/ranch,yard equipment, food processing, & on & on)...I drove through an 'industrial loop' outside a NE Texas city recently that used to be a thriving area. There was nothing there but empty bldgs, warehouses, docks, and parking lots!....I think teko nailed it. If outsourcing continues, the 'American dream' will be a nightmare and opportunity will be elsewhere.
I actually agree with that thought process to a certain extent. I agree that for those already living/working here, that seems to be the best course of action (I am referring to Canada, but the same would apply in the US).
I don't think our country could sustain a huge influx of refugees though. Here is what happens here in Canada...they arrive and are typically unable to work for a period of time. This can be due to language barriers, medical issues, whatever the case may be. Well, we can't just let them live on the streets, so here we provide housing, welfare and full access to medical. I can tell you that many times they get the medical treatment they need and leave. Or they may stay on the system for an extended period of time. I'll be honest...from a humane perspective I don't mind. I feel so badly for so many who are fleeing horrid conditions with no hope for a future and want more. But there is a reality...we are hurting financially here. Cost of living is going up, there are continued lay offs, etc. and we are having a hard time supporting those that are here. So when turned down, they go underground. Something has to give. Its hard, because I do want to see people do well, but at what cost I guess?
I don't think our country could sustain a huge influx of refugees though. Here is what happens here in Canada...they arrive and are typically unable to work for a period of time. This can be due to language barriers, medical issues, whatever the case may be. Well, we can't just let them live on the streets, so here we provide housing, welfare and full access to medical. I can tell you that many times they get the medical treatment they need and leave. Or they may stay on the system for an extended period of time. I'll be honest...from a humane perspective I don't mind. I feel so badly for so many who are fleeing horrid conditions with no hope for a future and want more. But there is a reality...we are hurting financially here. Cost of living is going up, there are continued lay offs, etc. and we are having a hard time supporting those that are here. So when turned down, they go underground. Something has to give. Its hard, because I do want to see people do well, but at what cost I guess?
What do we do with illegals.
Why not just make them legal and let them contribute with the income taxes and help the country? Or does that just make too much sense when our econemy is in the tank and people are having less children and the rich must have tax breaks. Dont we need more revenue? And the benefit is, they really work. Something many americans feel they are too good to do.
Beats having them on the welfare roles, and they can vote too! (always a plus I say)
Why not just make them legal and let them contribute with the income taxes and help the country? Or does that just make too much sense when our econemy is in the tank and people are having less children and the rich must have tax breaks. Dont we need more revenue? And the benefit is, they really work. Something many americans feel they are too good to do.
Beats having them on the welfare roles, and they can vote too! (always a plus I say)
I hear you. Honestly, doesn't the whole issue just make your head explode?
Oh.... I don't think it's all THAT stupid.
It seems almost as logical as giving every one of the 22M illegal Mexicans in the US $19,600 CASH, deporting them, and then giving them $19,600 CASH every year after that to stay the hell out of my country.
We shell out $338B every year to illegal Mexicans, why not just pay them to stay out of the country? Wouldn't alleviate the debt-load, but it sure would change the traffic patterns in & around my neck of the woods!
This is apples to oranges, but you see what I'm saying hopefully...
It seems almost as logical as giving every one of the 22M illegal Mexicans in the US $19,600 CASH, deporting them, and then giving them $19,600 CASH every year after that to stay the hell out of my country.
We shell out $338B every year to illegal Mexicans, why not just pay them to stay out of the country? Wouldn't alleviate the debt-load, but it sure would change the traffic patterns in & around my neck of the woods!
This is apples to oranges, but you see what I'm saying hopefully...
Just to update on this...it looks like this is going to pass. I am not sure whether to laugh or scream. Seriously, has anyone heard anything so ridiculous?
Here's the kicker...if they take their money and plane ticket and leave nicely, they can try again. Yeah, they say they won't allow it to be abused and I call bs. Personally...I would buy my one way ticket once a year, get rejected, take my return ticket and money and make that my career. It is 3 times as much money as many make in a year in most of the countries the refugees are coming in from. Now, I am a huge softie and I hurt for these people...but come on. This is not the way to handle the problem. Arrghhh...my gov't is sooo stupid!!!
Here's the kicker...if they take their money and plane ticket and leave nicely, they can try again. Yeah, they say they won't allow it to be abused and I call bs. Personally...I would buy my one way ticket once a year, get rejected, take my return ticket and money and make that my career. It is 3 times as much money as many make in a year in most of the countries the refugees are coming in from. Now, I am a huge softie and I hurt for these people...but come on. This is not the way to handle the problem. Arrghhh...my gov't is sooo stupid!!!
Well our econemy is so bad, they are leaving and going back to Mexico.... Its pretty bad when the illegals go home. Unemployment in Mexico is something like 4.5%. I think they have come to realize that they can achieve the American Dream back in Mexico before they can here.
I just can't believe we are just going to ask them nicely to leave and hand them money to do it. I guess it is cheaper then other methods, but still...it's got to be one of the more ridiculous things I have seen come out of our gov't. I mean, really. I do not see this being even remotely effective.
Its all the same really.
We reward bad bahavior and wonder why we have a problem.
Tell your child not to hit, then give him a candy bar every time he does.
We reward bad bahavior and wonder why we have a problem.
Tell your child not to hit, then give him a candy bar every time he does.
Now, the problems you guys have with how your gov't is handling illegal immigration issues isn't looking so bad is it. Can you imagine? Instead of deporting them, we ask them nicely to "please leave" and pay them (on top of their plane fare) $2000 to leave? My head just about exploded when I read this. Only in Canada....
And a deterrent? Me thinks not..this will encourage people. For example, an average annual income in Somalia is the equivalent of about $650 CDN. So they just have to come over once a year, claim refugee status, get denied, and make almost 3 times as much. Good grief.
And a deterrent? Me thinks not..this will encourage people. For example, an average annual income in Somalia is the equivalent of about $650 CDN. So they just have to come over once a year, claim refugee status, get denied, and make almost 3 times as much. Good grief.
No idea what I did here, but somehow posted the story more then once. Sorry!
Here is the link
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/24/ottawa-to-give-failed-refugees-cash-and-a-ticket-home
Here is the link
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/24/ottawa-to-give-failed-refugees-cash-and-a-ticket-home
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