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Majority of Americans back Keystone pipeline
Washington (CNN)A majority of Americans favor the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline -- a result that could give Republicans a boost as they move toward a showdown with President Barack Obama over the project -- a CNN/ORC poll has found.
The 1,179-mile Canada-to-Texas pipeline is backed by 57% of the 1,011 Americans surveyed on Dec. 18-21. Just 28% oppose it, while 15% say they are unsure.
Keystone debate moves ahead
The controversial project has become the subject of a battle between liberal environmentalists who argue it would contribute to global warming and conservatives who say it would create jobs and help the United States break away from Middle Eastern oil.
President Barack Obama has threatened to veto a measure that the Senate is set to vote on as soon as next week, which would end the State Department's six-year-old review of the project and authorize its construction immediately. Obama has said he objects to the decision-making process being removed from the executive branch.
The poll found that support for the pipeline is strongest in the South, where it's backed by 65% of those polled, and in the Midwest, where it has 63% support.
Read the entire CNN/ORC poll
The pipeline also stokes a divide along party lines, with 80% of Republicans backing it compared to just 39% of Democrats, and different age groups, with support strongest at 67% among those 65 and older and weakest at 47% among those between 18 and 34.
SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/politics/poll-majority-of-americans-back-keystone-pipeline/index.html
The 1,179-mile Canada-to-Texas pipeline is backed by 57% of the 1,011 Americans surveyed on Dec. 18-21. Just 28% oppose it, while 15% say they are unsure.
Keystone debate moves ahead
The controversial project has become the subject of a battle between liberal environmentalists who argue it would contribute to global warming and conservatives who say it would create jobs and help the United States break away from Middle Eastern oil.
President Barack Obama has threatened to veto a measure that the Senate is set to vote on as soon as next week, which would end the State Department's six-year-old review of the project and authorize its construction immediately. Obama has said he objects to the decision-making process being removed from the executive branch.
The poll found that support for the pipeline is strongest in the South, where it's backed by 65% of those polled, and in the Midwest, where it has 63% support.
Read the entire CNN/ORC poll
The pipeline also stokes a divide along party lines, with 80% of Republicans backing it compared to just 39% of Democrats, and different age groups, with support strongest at 67% among those 65 and older and weakest at 47% among those between 18 and 34.
SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/politics/poll-majority-of-americans-back-keystone-pipeline/index.html
Brice, a good share of the pipeline is already in place and no, I don't recall any argument about any of it. I read an article about a month or so ago, but I can't find it now, about why there's so much argument over this, but there wasn't before.
Here's an interesting article about pipelines in general, but talks about Keystone as well. There are 2.5 million miles of existing pipelines in the U.S already. Of course, that includes the parts of Keystone that are already built.
I'm not familiar with Propubica, so I'm sure someone will pick it apart... I just thought the article was interesting:
http://www.propublica.org/article/pipelines-explained-how-safe-are-americas-2.5-million-miles-of-pipelines
RGlass - I think they're all being silly... if Keystone isn't needed, Obama can make Congress look dumb, but on the other hand, he looks equally dumb, because a good share of it's already built, so why not let it be finished/upgraded?
Here's an interesting article about pipelines in general, but talks about Keystone as well. There are 2.5 million miles of existing pipelines in the U.S already. Of course, that includes the parts of Keystone that are already built.
I'm not familiar with Propubica, so I'm sure someone will pick it apart... I just thought the article was interesting:
http://www.propublica.org/article/pipelines-explained-how-safe-are-americas-2.5-million-miles-of-pipelines
RGlass - I think they're all being silly... if Keystone isn't needed, Obama can make Congress look dumb, but on the other hand, he looks equally dumb, because a good share of it's already built, so why not let it be finished/upgraded?
Does anyone remember off the top of their heads any grief about the other pipelines? Honestly, anyone?
Just guessing, but I bet a little of that Chicago oil money made it into the Presidents coffers at some point in time.
Just guessing, but I bet a little of that Chicago oil money made it into the Presidents coffers at some point in time.
If it is really not needed, Obama is sitting back with a smile on his face, waiting for it to come across his desk, so he can make them look foolish. I hope they have done their Homework.
I'm a little late to this party, but I'm also wondering if we really need Keystone, since there are already pipelines in place and if it would be better for Congress to just move on to something else.
Of course he'll veto Keystone to appease his base. I wish the republicans would wake up,realize it's losing it's relevancy though and move on. I think there is bigger fish to fry, perhaps keeping up the traditions of checks and balances while King Obama is changing laws.
These two pipelines are set to pump huge new shipments of Canadian crude to the U.S. Gulf Coast
Kristen Hays, Reuters | January 16, 2015 | Last Updated: Jan 16 1:11 PM ET
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Enbridge Inc’s Illinois-to-Oklahoma Flanagan South (pictured), coupled with Enterprise Products Partners’ Oklahoma-to-Texas Seaway Twin will deliver their first large-volume shipments to the largest refinery market in the United States.
FREEPORT, Texas — A pair of pipelines is ramping up to do what the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline hasn’t yet been able to accomplish – sharply increase flows of Canadian heavy crude to the U.S. Gulf Coast.
Enbridge Inc’s Illinois-to-Oklahoma Flanagan South, coupled with Enterprise Products Partners’ Oklahoma-to-Texas Seaway Twin will deliver their first large-volume shipments to the largest refinery market in the United States, most of which is built to handle viscous oil like that produced in Canada.
“We are connected all the way from Canada to Houston, Texas City, Beaumont and Port Arthur,” Jim Teague, chief operating officer of Enterprise, which operates the 850,000 bpd Seaway system, said Friday near the end of the line on the coast, where a new marine terminal may double as an export platform.
Unlike Keystone, the Flanagan South-Seaway Twin combination bypassed the need for U.S. federal approval, as neither crosses the Canadian border. The existing Mainline system already feeds Flanagan South.
U.S. Senate advances Keystone XL bill as showdown with Obama looms
This week, the U.S. Senate advanced a bill to approve TransCanada Corp’s project as Republicans seek to secure enough votes to overcome a possible veto by President Barack Obama, who has been considering the project for six years.
But the flows from 600,000-barrels per day Flanagan South and 450,000-bpd Seaway Twin began in December, after some delays. The Twin parallels the original 400,000 bpd Seaway line, which moves both heavy and light crude to the Gulf Coast from the U.S. crude futures hub in Cushing, Oklahoma.
The incoming Canadian could displace heavy imports from Venezuela, Mexico and even Saudi Arabia, threatening to further pressure crude prices, which have fallen by half since June on global oversupply.
Booming U.S. oil output has pushed out most Saudi light sweet oil in the Gulf Coast market. Canadian heavy, which trades at a discount to U.S. light, could deepen competition for heavies.
“This is the linchpin of our market access strategy,” said Enbridge Chief Executive Al Monaco. “We will compete against waterborne imports.”
Yet lower prices could mean pullbacks as Canadian production is more costly than in the United States. Canada’s Suncor Energy has said it would cut 1,000 workers and slash US$837 million in spending.
© Thomson Reuters 2015
http://business.financialpost.com/2015/01/16/these-two-pipelines-are-set-to-pump-huge-new-shipments-of-canadian-crude-to-the-u-s-gulf-coast/?__lsa=845f-bd56
These two pipelines are set to pump huge new shipments of Canadian crude to the U.S. Gulf Coast
Kristen Hays, Reuters | January 16, 2015 | Last Updated: Jan 16 1:11 PM ET
More from Reuters
Enbridge Inc’s Illinois-to-Oklahoma Flanagan South (pictured), coupled with Enterprise Products Partners’ Oklahoma-to-Texas Seaway Twin will deliver their first large-volume shipments to the largest refinery market in the United States.
FREEPORT, Texas — A pair of pipelines is ramping up to do what the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline hasn’t yet been able to accomplish – sharply increase flows of Canadian heavy crude to the U.S. Gulf Coast.
Enbridge Inc’s Illinois-to-Oklahoma Flanagan South, coupled with Enterprise Products Partners’ Oklahoma-to-Texas Seaway Twin will deliver their first large-volume shipments to the largest refinery market in the United States, most of which is built to handle viscous oil like that produced in Canada.
“We are connected all the way from Canada to Houston, Texas City, Beaumont and Port Arthur,” Jim Teague, chief operating officer of Enterprise, which operates the 850,000 bpd Seaway system, said Friday near the end of the line on the coast, where a new marine terminal may double as an export platform.
Unlike Keystone, the Flanagan South-Seaway Twin combination bypassed the need for U.S. federal approval, as neither crosses the Canadian border. The existing Mainline system already feeds Flanagan South.
U.S. Senate advances Keystone XL bill as showdown with Obama looms
This week, the U.S. Senate advanced a bill to approve TransCanada Corp’s project as Republicans seek to secure enough votes to overcome a possible veto by President Barack Obama, who has been considering the project for six years.
But the flows from 600,000-barrels per day Flanagan South and 450,000-bpd Seaway Twin began in December, after some delays. The Twin parallels the original 400,000 bpd Seaway line, which moves both heavy and light crude to the Gulf Coast from the U.S. crude futures hub in Cushing, Oklahoma.
The incoming Canadian could displace heavy imports from Venezuela, Mexico and even Saudi Arabia, threatening to further pressure crude prices, which have fallen by half since June on global oversupply.
Booming U.S. oil output has pushed out most Saudi light sweet oil in the Gulf Coast market. Canadian heavy, which trades at a discount to U.S. light, could deepen competition for heavies.
“This is the linchpin of our market access strategy,” said Enbridge Chief Executive Al Monaco. “We will compete against waterborne imports.”
Yet lower prices could mean pullbacks as Canadian production is more costly than in the United States. Canada’s Suncor Energy has said it would cut 1,000 workers and slash US$837 million in spending.
© Thomson Reuters 2015
http://business.financialpost.com/2015/01/16/these-two-pipelines-are-set-to-pump-huge-new-shipments-of-canadian-crude-to-the-u-s-gulf-coast/?__lsa=845f-bd56
For that matter, there are already a few pipelines from Canada into the US and one of them goes directly into Chicago... I think one runs into the Dakotas and another one or two down to Texas. Nobody ever heard a peep about those though. Whatever.
Anything to keep prices low is okay with me. (If this would help.) OPEC won't control prices anymore and they are crying about it as if they are the oil ruling province of the world. Remember change??? Perhaps that alone is a decent one. Gotta start someplace, and since they are complaining, I say stick with it for a while.
Obama will veto this. No brainer.
Anything to keep prices low is okay with me. (If this would help.) OPEC won't control prices anymore and they are crying about it as if they are the oil ruling province of the world. Remember change??? Perhaps that alone is a decent one. Gotta start someplace, and since they are complaining, I say stick with it for a while.
Obama will veto this. No brainer.
Koch brothers...there we go. All the evil in the world is done by them. Sorry that scapegoat doesn't work. Tired of trying to blame Bush now it's blame Koch?
The volume of Canadian crude processed at Gulf Coast refineries could climb to more than 400,000 barrels a day in 2015 from 208,000 in August, according to Jackie Forrest, vice president of Calgary-based ARC Financial Corp. The increase comes as Enbridge Inc.'s Flanagan South and an expanded Seaway pipeline raise their capacity to ship oil by as much as 450,000 barrels a day. Canadian exports to the Gulf rose 83 percent in the past four years.
"The Seaway Twin line, a venture between Enbridge and Enterprise Products Partners, is scheduled to start next month, two people familiar with Gulf Coast pipeline operations said Nov. 12."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-canada-oil14-20141114-story.html#page=1
"The Seaway Twin line, a venture between Enbridge and Enterprise Products Partners, is scheduled to start next month, two people familiar with Gulf Coast pipeline operations said Nov. 12."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-canada-oil14-20141114-story.html#page=1
And where did they question those 1,011 people ? And what does it matter, 1011 people's opinions does not represent fact.
Keystone is only good for the Koch brothers, and a few other rich men to make them even richer.
Here's someplace to start to understand what is really involved.
I hope very much that Obama shows some backbone and does indeed veto this horrible project.
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/pipeline-primer/
Keystone is only good for the Koch brothers, and a few other rich men to make them even richer.
Here's someplace to start to understand what is really involved.
I hope very much that Obama shows some backbone and does indeed veto this horrible project.
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/pipeline-primer/
Funny how polls matter hugely when they're going your way, but when they're not, they don't matter in the least.
The double-standard of the left is really quite staggering.
And the funny (ironic) thing about it is, they don't even know they're doing it.
Desrt:
CNN is a left-leaning news outlet. If they're reporting it this way, it's more than likely much, much more than 60'ish% in favor... probably more in the 75% range.
Please tell me that you can at least admit that you've got double-standards when it comes to polls (ie: when they favor you, you're all for them, when they're against, you think their crap).
I've seen you post poll's in the past and you were all for them (as they were in your favor). I'm not good at searching for stuff on here, so I can't cite any specific examples, but I know you've done it.
Tell me how that's NOT a double-standard. Or... do you fully/readily admit that you've got a double-standard on this topic, and you just don't care?
The double-standard of the left is really quite staggering.
And the funny (ironic) thing about it is, they don't even know they're doing it.
Desrt:
CNN is a left-leaning news outlet. If they're reporting it this way, it's more than likely much, much more than 60'ish% in favor... probably more in the 75% range.
Please tell me that you can at least admit that you've got double-standards when it comes to polls (ie: when they favor you, you're all for them, when they're against, you think their crap).
I've seen you post poll's in the past and you were all for them (as they were in your favor). I'm not good at searching for stuff on here, so I can't cite any specific examples, but I know you've done it.
Tell me how that's NOT a double-standard. Or... do you fully/readily admit that you've got a double-standard on this topic, and you just don't care?
You are correct, oil will be refined and some of the products sent overseas
Keep in mind, some of the refineries can not refine our domestic light sweet crude and have to run heavy sour oil. That heavy oil is and will be imported, whether it's from that socialist ******* Chavez or from Canada. I'd prefer Canada myself. The real question is do we need Keystone anymore. There are a couple of pipelines that have been upgraded and are already shipping a lot of oil sands oil. I think Enbridge and Enterprise are the owners.
Keep in mind, some of the refineries can not refine our domestic light sweet crude and have to run heavy sour oil. That heavy oil is and will be imported, whether it's from that socialist ******* Chavez or from Canada. I'd prefer Canada myself. The real question is do we need Keystone anymore. There are a couple of pipelines that have been upgraded and are already shipping a lot of oil sands oil. I think Enbridge and Enterprise are the owners.
I guess I would fall in the 15% (unsure). If I knew for sure the Oil would stay here in the U.S. I would probably be for it. It is my understanding (I could be wrong) is, we are going to refine the oil here then sell it over seas. If that is the case, it will be the Oil Companies benefiting the most from it. I'm not sure the amount of permanent jobs created in the end, would justify the means. Yes, it will create an abundance of temporary jobs but once complete how many permanent jobs will it create? Again, I’m just not sure the end will justify the means. I may be wrong so, if anyone has any information on how it will benefit us, I will gladly read it.
I think Obama is about to do a lot of Vetoing, which will shed a lot of light on the stigma of The Republican Party being the “Party of No.” Not that he really cares.
I think Obama is about to do a lot of Vetoing, which will shed a lot of light on the stigma of The Republican Party being the “Party of No.” Not that he really cares.
Oh but those polls matter when it was get out of Iraq?
Yeppers, that's what I want to base major decisions on --- a CNN telephone poll of what 57% of 1,011 people believe at any particular moment. Don''t bother me with facts or ask me to think.
Bill after bill is going to be hitting his desk and the liberals will have to come up with different excuses for him. The liberals claim that republicans were the party of no, well what happens when Obama keeps vetoing bills sent to him? What will be the talking points?
It's not about what the people want.
No no.
It's about what OBAMA wants. Make no mistake, he'll veto the crap out of this, even though the majority of those asked (60%+) are in favor of it.
A clear majority wants it, yet HE doesn't, so it get's shot down.
Just who does he represent?
No no.
It's about what OBAMA wants. Make no mistake, he'll veto the crap out of this, even though the majority of those asked (60%+) are in favor of it.
A clear majority wants it, yet HE doesn't, so it get's shot down.
Just who does he represent?
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