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Iran planning to send ships near U.S. waters
(CNN) -- Iran plans to send ships near the Atlantic coast of the United States, state-run Islamic Republic News Agency reported Tuesday, quoting a commander.
"The Navy of the Iranian Army will have a powerful presence near the United States borders," read the headline of the story, in Farsi.
"Commander of the Navy of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran broke the news about the plans for the presence of this force in the Atlantic Ocean and said that the same way that the world arrogant power is present near our marine borders, we, with the help of our sailors who follow the concept of the supreme jurisprudence, shall also establish a powerful presence near the marine borders of the United States," the story said.
The reference to the "world arrogant power" was presumably intended to refer to the United States.
IRNA cited the force's website as saying that the announcement was made by Adm. Habibollah Sayari on the 31st anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war.
State-run Press TV said Sayari had announced similar plans in July. In February, two Iranian Navy ships traversed the Suez Canal in the first such voyages by Iranian ships since 1979.
U.S. Defense Department officials had no immediate reaction to Tuesday's announcement. The United States has deployed fleets to the Persian Gulf in the past.
State-run Press TV, citing IRNA, said Tuesday's announcement came as Iran also plans to send its 16th fleet of warships to the Gulf of Aden to protect Iranian vessels and oil tankers from pirates, who have hijacked dozens of ships and exchanged their crews for ransom.
The Islamic Republic has repeatedly assured that its military might poses no threat to other countries, stating that Tehran's defense doctrine is based only on deterrence, Press TV reported in a story in July about the deployment of submarines to international waters.
SOURCE:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/meast/iran-navy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"The Navy of the Iranian Army will have a powerful presence near the United States borders," read the headline of the story, in Farsi.
"Commander of the Navy of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran broke the news about the plans for the presence of this force in the Atlantic Ocean and said that the same way that the world arrogant power is present near our marine borders, we, with the help of our sailors who follow the concept of the supreme jurisprudence, shall also establish a powerful presence near the marine borders of the United States," the story said.
The reference to the "world arrogant power" was presumably intended to refer to the United States.
IRNA cited the force's website as saying that the announcement was made by Adm. Habibollah Sayari on the 31st anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war.
State-run Press TV said Sayari had announced similar plans in July. In February, two Iranian Navy ships traversed the Suez Canal in the first such voyages by Iranian ships since 1979.
U.S. Defense Department officials had no immediate reaction to Tuesday's announcement. The United States has deployed fleets to the Persian Gulf in the past.
State-run Press TV, citing IRNA, said Tuesday's announcement came as Iran also plans to send its 16th fleet of warships to the Gulf of Aden to protect Iranian vessels and oil tankers from pirates, who have hijacked dozens of ships and exchanged their crews for ransom.
The Islamic Republic has repeatedly assured that its military might poses no threat to other countries, stating that Tehran's defense doctrine is based only on deterrence, Press TV reported in a story in July about the deployment of submarines to international waters.
SOURCE:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/meast/iran-navy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Beau, I certainly don't disagree with you. So many of the Nazi party were just regular folk who were drafted into service in a time of war. But they were to afraid to stand up to the attrocities of Hitler. I guess I hope we have learned from history, but it is so hard to say what will happen. I take great hope from what has happened in Libya and Egypt amongst other countries. Iran is very similar to Libya in that many are very well educated, which helps. Also, I take hope in all the demonstrations that took place after the last Iranian so called election. People are speaking out and they are standing up.
Problem is of course Iran is moving forward and becoming a larger threat then ever towards the west. I think war in one form or another is going to happen, be it civil or with the International community. I suspect it will be a combination of both, with civil war supported by the west. Much like Libya, with further involvement. However, if he continues with his missile production and nuclear project, and starts to move those ships towards the US, then we know it's just a matter of time.
Sweetpea, thanks. It is a peaceful beautiful religion for the most part. And when we hear things like Sharia law, those are more cultural practices then religious. Yes, they are based on extremist religious beliefs, but are practiced primarily in the extremist run muslim countries. The muslims I know here wouldn't dream of behaving that way and have zero desire to live that way. That is why they are here. To escape it.
Problem is of course Iran is moving forward and becoming a larger threat then ever towards the west. I think war in one form or another is going to happen, be it civil or with the International community. I suspect it will be a combination of both, with civil war supported by the west. Much like Libya, with further involvement. However, if he continues with his missile production and nuclear project, and starts to move those ships towards the US, then we know it's just a matter of time.
Sweetpea, thanks. It is a peaceful beautiful religion for the most part. And when we hear things like Sharia law, those are more cultural practices then religious. Yes, they are based on extremist religious beliefs, but are practiced primarily in the extremist run muslim countries. The muslims I know here wouldn't dream of behaving that way and have zero desire to live that way. That is why they are here. To escape it.
Is there a "like" button for what you wrote? lol.
I totally agree with the misrepresentation of religion. Islam is actually a very peaceful religion and there are many great Islamic people, but the extremist are the only ones people notice and many people assume that all Islamic people are just like them, which is really sad.
I totally agree with the misrepresentation of religion. Islam is actually a very peaceful religion and there are many great Islamic people, but the extremist are the only ones people notice and many people assume that all Islamic people are just like them, which is really sad.
I'm a history buff. Go back to the 1930's. The opposition to the Nazi Party in Germany could not stop Adolph Hitler. The opposition to the Fascist Party in Italy could not stop Benito Mussolini. Neither will the moderates of Iran stop Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Iran announced today that it will begin to mass produce cruise missiles....Why has there been such a large scale, purposeful migration of Muslims into Europe and The Americas? The problem with adopting a 'wait & see' attitude is that once the S#%T hits the fan, and you can see it, it's usually too late to do anything about it.
Barb, I wish we were not quite so laid back. I joke about it, but actually, it's quite concerning at times. I guess there is good and bad to all.
I fully agree the radicals get the most attention. And honestly, they give Islam in general a bad name. I mean, when you google Islam you get all the negatives and yet there are so many wonderful, friendly people living in these countries. And Il, as usual, you hit things so squarely on the head. Fear is such a driving force behind so many words isn't it. These folks have lived under dictatorship for so long, and of course many are so hate filled now, that it can be a sad state of affairs. I guess I just feel very strongly that Islam is a very misunderstood religion here in the west. And I also think we often confuse cultural practices with religious ones. And there is a big difference. But, I guess the reverse is true too. There are some bad westerners in our countries, and those are the ones the heads of country in many of these countries hold up as examples to keep their citizens afraid and full of hate. I mean, propaganda there is full of "see, they hate you. they wish to destroy Islam and all Muslims..etc. etc." Much like we see in reverse here. So here we all are, afraid of each other, when for the most part, people are people. Good and bad everywhere. Problem is these days, the bad don't stop at just not liking you. They want to kill you.
I fully agree the radicals get the most attention. And honestly, they give Islam in general a bad name. I mean, when you google Islam you get all the negatives and yet there are so many wonderful, friendly people living in these countries. And Il, as usual, you hit things so squarely on the head. Fear is such a driving force behind so many words isn't it. These folks have lived under dictatorship for so long, and of course many are so hate filled now, that it can be a sad state of affairs. I guess I just feel very strongly that Islam is a very misunderstood religion here in the west. And I also think we often confuse cultural practices with religious ones. And there is a big difference. But, I guess the reverse is true too. There are some bad westerners in our countries, and those are the ones the heads of country in many of these countries hold up as examples to keep their citizens afraid and full of hate. I mean, propaganda there is full of "see, they hate you. they wish to destroy Islam and all Muslims..etc. etc." Much like we see in reverse here. So here we all are, afraid of each other, when for the most part, people are people. Good and bad everywhere. Problem is these days, the bad don't stop at just not liking you. They want to kill you.
Actually as in all dictatorships you wouldn't know how a person who doesn't support a fundamentalist government feels if they know to say otherwise is to risk being killed. The same was true in the Soviet Union (and now still in Russia, Putin is a basic dictator even if the country has changed somewhat politically) and still in Cuba. Things are far worse in the middle east as people are denied basic human rights. In Saudi Arabia women just gained the right to vote. They still are not allowed to drive and many basic human rights people take for granted here. There are many countries where to speak out politically a person would risk imprisonment. However when a person speaking out politically or even disagreeing with the government risks being killed without even a trial very few will do so.
I do agree that people who immigrate here should assimilate and people who do so are far more likely to succeed in society, socially, financially and otherwise. Its common sense.
I do agree that people who immigrate here should assimilate and people who do so are far more likely to succeed in society, socially, financially and otherwise. Its common sense.
Men GIGGLE?
My point was - we didn't fight back either; just kind of said "whatever" and now everything we do is geared to "politically correct" to keep from offending someone, but all of the people we try not to offend are from other countries that are trying to turn our country into the same thing they left.
I most certainly do not think they are all bad - I have friends from the Middle East; places that I go all the time..... that was another of my points - the radicals are the ones that get the attention; sort of like the "squeeky wheel gets the grease"......
There are many immigrants who come here and assimilate very well...... the focus ends up on the ones who "demand" rights that they may not be entitled to.
I most certainly do not think they are all bad - I have friends from the Middle East; places that I go all the time..... that was another of my points - the radicals are the ones that get the attention; sort of like the "squeeky wheel gets the grease"......
There are many immigrants who come here and assimilate very well...... the focus ends up on the ones who "demand" rights that they may not be entitled to.
I honestly do not know that much about the citizens of Iran. I do know that we killed the only man that had any control over Iran and now they will eventually need our attention. I do not hate the people of Iran or Iraq or any other country but they do hate us and frankly I think they have good reason to. Let them stay there and live how they wish and we stay here and live how we wish. Think it will work? Nah, neither do I.
You know what...I doubt anyone would even bother to fight back. We just kinda say "whatever, just pass me a beer.." lol.
But honestly...do you really think they are all bad? Not being a smart alec, curious about it. I mean, for sure some immigrate and want things to be like home, but you don't think others immigrate to escape it? And we have huge immigration from the Middle East here, so it's certainly not something unique to the US. Same issues apply. Some assimilate and work with our legal system, others scream discrimination every time you turn around.
But honestly...do you really think they are all bad? Not being a smart alec, curious about it. I mean, for sure some immigrate and want things to be like home, but you don't think others immigrate to escape it? And we have huge immigration from the Middle East here, so it's certainly not something unique to the US. Same issues apply. Some assimilate and work with our legal system, others scream discrimination every time you turn around.
Goodness sakes El -- have some mercy on the poor people who live there -- they may not all be radicals who want to blow us up :-) -- golly, just look at the people who come here from all countries and try to turn ours into the same thing they just left..... if their country was so great, why didn't they just stay there and live happily ever after?? Oh, I forgot -- in their own country they don't the entitlements they get here, such as free food, housing, education, medical care.
I think I'm going to head to Canada when I retire and take over adgal's country -- yep, I'll turn it into the good ole US of A and if they fight me, I'll scream about discrimination.......... lol
I think I'm going to head to Canada when I retire and take over adgal's country -- yep, I'll turn it into the good ole US of A and if they fight me, I'll scream about discrimination.......... lol
As Teko would say... want a little cheese with that? Ha, ha;-)
As for their gov't being corrupt, you said it. It's always been that way. The Middle-East has ALWAYS had corruption in their gov't. Not that we're much better, but they're a lot more in-your-face-and-there's-nothing-you-can-do-about-it than we are.
Our politicians kiss your baby and steal your wallet while you're not looking. Their politicians stab your baby in the face, beat you over the head with the corpse, steal your wallet while you're crying, then kill your entire family.
Different strokes...
As for their gov't being corrupt, you said it. It's always been that way. The Middle-East has ALWAYS had corruption in their gov't. Not that we're much better, but they're a lot more in-your-face-and-there's-nothing-you-can-do-about-it than we are.
Our politicians kiss your baby and steal your wallet while you're not looking. Their politicians stab your baby in the face, beat you over the head with the corpse, steal your wallet while you're crying, then kill your entire family.
Different strokes...
btw...like the whine? lol. Nooooooo...haha
Noooo. El, that's mean... Lots of really good people there who just want their freedom and are standing up to the gov't. Now, if we could drop a nuke that only impacted their corrupt and horrid gov't, I'd do it myself! Hopefully the tyranny there will end. They have always had corruption in their gov't. I feed sorry for the people. It's always the average person that suffers isn't it.
It doesn't surprise me that the Iranians have a strong army.
They've been fighting with EVERYONE for like 2,000 years so they kind of HAVE TO have a strong military.
Drop a nuke, turn the entire place into a giant glass-factory. I bet we could just drill THROUGH the layer of glass to get to the oil after they're all turned into irradiated zombies.
Iran problem solved.
They've been fighting with EVERYONE for like 2,000 years so they kind of HAVE TO have a strong military.
Drop a nuke, turn the entire place into a giant glass-factory. I bet we could just drill THROUGH the layer of glass to get to the oil after they're all turned into irradiated zombies.
Iran problem solved.
Actually, you'd be surprised. They have a pretty strong military for a country that size. I think they are like Israel and some other countries in that everyone (or at least all men) have to serve x amount of time in the military. Nothing to compare to the US of course, but they beat Canada...course, that's not saying much..lol. I'm pretty sure we have a boat.......ha
Every time someone says "Iranian Navy" I giggle out loud.
Those 2 words don't belong in the same sentence.
It's like saying the words "Obama" and "Frugal" in the same sentence... they just don't go together!
Those 2 words don't belong in the same sentence.
It's like saying the words "Obama" and "Frugal" in the same sentence... they just don't go together!
I agree with much of what you say. There is only one area where I believe you are only partially right. I don't believe it is all of the Arabic/Islamic population that has issue with the US. Much of the civil unrest we are beginning to see in the Muslim countries (ie: Egypt, Libya, etc.) is due to availability of social media, and mainly young more moderate folks wanting freedom and democracy. Iran is actually a very young country in terms of it's population. So it would seem it is a very divided country. There is much civil unrest there from the young (and very well educated) population wanting to move into the future as a free country. Currently the older more conservative (and yes, radical at times) population is squelching that. However, it seems to be increasing and I actually think we shall soon see the type of action we have witnessed in other countries. I do think their leaders days are numbered, be it due to military action by the NATO, or internal, or more then likely, a combination of both.
Iranians are not as oppressed as we see in other countries in certain areas. They are well educated and in many ways quite cosmopolitian. There are countless demonstrations, etc. going on, and their leader claims they are a true democracy. Obviously they are not, and the young people there know that.
But yep, if they enter or threaten US safety (more then they have already), nail em. A standoff is coming, and the sooner they squelch this guy, the better.
Iranians are not as oppressed as we see in other countries in certain areas. They are well educated and in many ways quite cosmopolitian. There are countless demonstrations, etc. going on, and their leader claims they are a true democracy. Obviously they are not, and the young people there know that.
But yep, if they enter or threaten US safety (more then they have already), nail em. A standoff is coming, and the sooner they squelch this guy, the better.
The biggest problem with Iran: 1) Could it be their Russian Federation buddy 2) Could it be their idiotic leader 3) Could it be their close political/economic ties with South American 4) Could it be their 'soon to be' nuclear capabilities to wage war 5) Could it be that ALL Arab/Islamic peoples (not just the radicals) are going to go 'freakin crazy' when we defend ourselves and/or Israel against Irans threats....I choose #5....A confrontation with Iran (we are already at war with Radical Islam) is going to happen so, the sooner the better before they have nuclear capabilities. SINK THEIR NAVY if it enters our territorial waters or in any way shows aggression towards the U.S. or an ally.
Same thought went through my mind!! Nothing like a good war to get business booming again.
I would not be at all surprised if in the near future we end up invading Iran. It is typically the solution for bad econemies. I am not surprised to see this at all.
No doubt... this guy is trying to intimidate. Apparently he doesn't know, understand, or appreciate the capabilities of the U.S. Navy. For him, that is horribly unfortunate. My only hope regarding this matter is that if the Iran navy decides to give this a shot that they put Ahmadinejad at the helm of one of those ships.
Hmmm. Hard to believe that he hasn't even seen footage on youtube or something. Oh well, maybe the first hand introduction will do him some good.
Hmmm. Hard to believe that he hasn't even seen footage on youtube or something. Oh well, maybe the first hand introduction will do him some good.
If I were in charge in the US, I would take this as a threat or intimidation (one and the same I guess). I say again...the man is a complete and utter lunatic. I am never one to advocate military action, but if Iran does this, I hope the US sends a strong message that this is not to be tolerated and I hope every single one of the US's allies lines up against the Iranian navy. If ever there was a case to be made in terms of solidarity between the US and it's supporters, this would be it.
Lol El. Your funny.
Lol El. Your funny.
That's a brilliant way to get a bunch of Iranians in the pool real quick.
Iran has a navy?
Who knew.
Geography's never been my strong-suit. Honestly, I didn't even know that Iran had a 'water-border' or anywhere they could actually dock a ship!
-Off to look at a map-
Who knew.
Geography's never been my strong-suit. Honestly, I didn't even know that Iran had a 'water-border' or anywhere they could actually dock a ship!
-Off to look at a map-
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