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Muslims protest Hindu’s in New Jersey. How Ironic!!

Muslims protest Hindu’s in New Jersey
Posted on September 7, 2010 by creeping

Hinduphobic, bigoted, racist Muslims. via NorthJersey.com: Muslim protesters in Mahwah claim leader’s stoking religious hatred.

Religious differences in India were apparent at a Mahwah hotel today, where Muslims protested against a spiritual leader they say is using Hinduism to mask an agenda of intolerance against other religions.

Pujya “Didi Maa” Sadhvi Ritambra Devi Ji, considered by many to be a Hindu spiritual leader and teacher, spent the last five days teaching at a religious workshop at the Sheraton on International Boulevard while raising money for “Vatsalya Gram,” her India-based project that provides housing, family style care, support and relationships to indigent women and children.

“She is a modern-day Mother Teresa,” said Raksh Pal Sood, chair of Param Shakti Peeth, a non-profit that supports Ritambra’s “Vatsalya Gram.”

But some 50 demonstrators protested outside the venue, carrying signs with slogans like, “Beautiful India does not need Hate Mongers.” The protestors, from the state chapter of the Indian Muslim Council, say Ritambra is using her religion to mask an agenda of intolerance — and violence — against Muslims and Christians.

“A secular democracy like India does not need hate-mongers like her,” said Shaheen Khateeb, a member of the Muslim Council’s board of trustees carrying a sign that read, “Widows and Orphans of Sadhvi’s Actions will not Forget.”

Yusuf Dadani, president of the state chapter of the Indian Muslim Council, said Ritambra had a history of inciting violence against Muslims. He pointed to a speech she made in the early 1990s that prompted a mob to tear town a 16th-century mosque in Ayodhya, India.

But Ritambra supporters said she was never arrested or jailed for the statement, and that the mosque was built atop an ancient Hindu temple.

Dadani said Ritambra was indicted by the Indian Government. The group has petitioned the Department of Homeland Security and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, asking them to investigate how she was allowed into the country with what they called a criminal background.

Dadani said the group was particularly concerned about the Ritambra’s fund-raising efforts for “Vatsalya Gram” while in the United States. He said these homes were “centers of hate,” where children were indoctrinated.

But Dadani disagreed, saying that the protest was about placing the spotlight on a woman they say is cultivating religious hatred.

“This is not against Hinduism,” Dadani said. “This is a campaign against people who have hijacked the Hindu faith.”

MSM to condemn these intolerant, right-wing religious fanatics …and call for direct talks with the Hindu world, blaming Islamic politics for the lack of understanding of Hindu sentiments.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/muslims-protest-hindus-in-new-jersey/
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377493 tn?1356502149
The point is also that only a few radical muslims caused this problem..yet all are being blamed.  And it is not by just a few...I have seen post after post after post about "not trusting any of them" or that they are trying to implement Sharia law and so on and so on.  There is this Qaran burning now going to take place..I bet more then 50 people show up.  A Mosque was burnt down..and it was arson.  Another Mosque had someone caught on video camera coming in with a pipe bomb.  A taxi driver has been attacked after being asked if he was Muslim.  All this because 19 crazies hijacked a plane, and now another group wants to build a recreation centre with a prayer room.  What you say Sara is exactly my point...we do not assume all Christians feel the way these Qaran burning terrorists do...yet there is so much evidence that many feel all Muslims want the end of the west due to the actions of a small minority.  Yes, it does go both ways...that is precisely my point.  We do not want to be judged by the actions of some, especially because of religious affilitiation.  Why should it be different for Muslims?

People keep saying this Imam has terrorist affiliation...yet he did exactly the same thing under Bush as he is doing under Obama..yet under one President it was fine, under this one further proof (because Obama is a Muslim too isn't he?) that he must be a terrorist.

And no one can convince me this is not about hate and predjiduce...I tried to believe that for a very long time, but evidence shows otherwise.  It should have been clear to me the minute some started claiming Obama was Muslim...because if he was, and no one was racist...who cares?
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Should, could, woulda, Bottom line. I will say it one last time. IMO....
9/11 was caused by an extremist group called Al-Quida, in the name of Islam... Muslim people perished that day along with many others. Secondly, the option to make that land a landmark was decided against and the land put for sale, which was purchased in order to put a community center on it. It was a legal transaction, done the legal way, by people who had ever legal and moral right to do it. It started I think in 2009 yet we did not hear anything of it until it was decided it would make a great political football. It was a local issue before this. As a result of the ploy to score political points, the nuts have had a hayday with it. Not only is the Inman that works on behalf of the US dredged out to be a traitor and a fraud, but then you started seeing attacks on muslim mosques elsewhere, the cab driver that was attacked because he was muslim and lets not leave out the nutcase burning the qurans because Islam is evil. People in these other countries do not understand our constitution, therefore they no not why the president cannot stop this from happening, therefore linking all americans as agreeing and feeling muslims are evil. This in turn puts our troops at risk and further incites the issue. I do not think you can compare the article you posted to these events as there has been no violence (only a peaceful protest with signs), unless I missed something? Am I going to waste my time on such a ridiculous point? No, it is obvious common sense. The uproar and the garbage that has happened as a result of all this fearmongering is going to cause consequences for all of us, wars start over this stupid stuff. You said 50 people in a church? Not hardly, re read the article. And if it were only 50 people how are other countries supposed to differentiate that when they have no understanding of our ways, our culture and the presidents limited power to stop such horrible things. Explain that to them. As far as getting into religious tolerence, you made my point for me. Do not boil the damn teapot or we will be facing a holy war. But tht is okay? When we preach religious freedom here in america? You just dont get it do you?
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I don't think you get the point here.

First:  Only a few radicals oppose any mosque being built.  The vast majority don't want this mosque built there, at Ground Zero.  And yes, part of the landing gear from one of the planes did the damage to that building.  What would be the harm in moving it further away.  I can just imagine how the survivors and victim's families having to listen to the call to prayers.  In the Bronx, they're petitioning to get louder outdoor speakers for the call to prayer.  The residents don't care a twit about the mosque but they don't care to be awakened at 5 in the morning with a blaring loudspeaker.  So can't you see how hurtful that's going to be.the families????   Many knowing that the last words they heard were Allah Akbar and then be subjected to it at the memorial.  If they are truly sincere about tolerance and bridge building, why are being so deliberately provocative? 70% of New Yorkers don't want it there. So far as I"m concerned they build all the mosques they want; just not at Ground Zero.

And we need to see who is financing this.  And yes I know that the Saudi prince donated $300,000 to it and his corp owns 7% of Fox.  But where is all the other money coming from?? This project will cost millions.   And how did the developer go from being a waiter to a multi million dollar real estate developer in a little over a year???  That one is smelly and he won't talk.

2nd. Tension between Muslims and the Hindus began in India many years ago.  That is how Pakistan was formed.  India Hindu.  Pakistan Muslim.  And constant war in the Cashmere region.  Now the Muslims are causing problems for the Hindi and showing no tolerance towards them.  If this had been a protest over the mosque. we'd still be hearing about it.  So why haven't I seen this protest on the news?  All I'm saying is that if Muslims refuse to be tolerant whether it's towards Christians or Hindi, they shouldn't expect tolerance in return.  It's a two way street.

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Yep, adjal pretty much summed it all up! Absolutely!
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What everyone needs to start remembering is that "they" are American citizens just like the Christians who have done nothing wrong.  A bunch of lunatics who were not Americans hijacked a couple of planes and flew it into the World Trade Centre, and now all of them are being held responsible.  We have a very violent Asian gang in our city..should I hold all Asians responsible for what a minority do?  My house was broken into by a white, blond guy.  Should I hold all white blond guys responsible?  This is getting ridiculous.  "They" are not demanding anything.  "They" are Americans living legally in their country and all of a sudden Christians have decided "they" shouldn't be allowed to live their lives (according to the law I might add) in peace. Tolerance?  How about just plain decency.  I cannot believe that in a country that considers itself the greatest in the world, built on immigration (yep, all your families came from somewhere else) has this happening.  It is disgusting, and people should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior.  And all in the name of taking back YOUR country.  YOUR country has been built on immigration just like mine.  It is not a white, christian country like it or not!
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Terry Jones is a self proclaimed pastor at a "church"(?) with a congregation of 50. And I think he's a certified nut job.

But I still find it very ironic that the very people who demand tolerance from us refuse to give it to others.  Tolerance and acceptance are a two way street.
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Still, at least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in Gainesville have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services — to counter what Jones is doing. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church Saturday.

The Vatican newspaper on Tuesday published an article in which Catholic bishops, including Archbishop Lawrence John Saldanha of Lahore, Pakistan, criticized Jones' plan.

"No one burns the Quran," read the headline in Tuesday's L'Osservatore Romano.

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit for Sept. 11, but he has vowed to go ahead with his event. He said lawyers have told him his right to burn the Quran is protected by the First Amendment whether he's got permission from the city or not.

The Dove World Outreach Church describes itself as "New Testament, Charismatic, Non-Denominational."

.The church's website says it seeks to "expose Islam" as a "violent and oppressive religion." It displays a sign reading "Islam is of the Devil."

The website's front page has a blog by Ingram entitled "Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran."

'We do not hate any people'
"We are using this act [burning the Quran] to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world," Ingram wrote in the article, dated Sept. 2.

The dispute comes at a time of already heated debate over a proposal to build a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from the site in New York of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

Opponents of the building plan say it is insensitive to families of the victims of the attacks by al-Qaida.

U.S.-backed Afghan forces toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan soon after those attacks for harboring al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden.

Demonstrations and riots triggered by reported desecration of the Quran are not infrequent in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries. The most violent protests came after cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper in 2006.

Last January, Afghan troops shot and killed eight demonstrators and wounded 13 in southern Helmand province in a riot triggered by a report that foreign troops had desecrated the Quran during a raid. A spokesman for NATO forces denied the report.
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Like I said, Hate breeds hate. Peaceful demonstrations against a speaker is one thing. The following tho, is just insane.

Church 'praying' about plan to burn Quran, pastor says after warning
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Afghans march in Kabul Monday against the planned burning of Qurans by a U.S. church.msnbc.com staff and news service reports
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Share Print Font: +-MIAMI — A church planning to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11 is 'definitely praying' about the controversial demonstration, its pastor said after Gen. David Petraeus warned it would put in danger the lives of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.

In an interview on CNN, Terry Jones, of the Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Fla., appeared to suggest church members might decide not to go ahead with the controversial demonstration.

Jones, author of a book called "Islam is of The Devil," told CNN's "American Morning" show that the burning was designed to send a message to radical Islam.

But when he was asked about the views of Petraeus, the U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, Jones said: "We are actually very, very concerned of course; we are taking the general's words serious. We are continuing to pray about the action on September 11. But we don't know, how long do we back down?"

Pressed on whether this meant the church might decide not to burn the Quran, Jones told the show: "We have firmly made up our mind, but at the same time, we are definitely praying about it."

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Video: Pastor: Burning Qurans sends ‘clear message’ (on this page)
A Facebook group has been set up called 'International Burn A Koran Day' and is linked to from the church's website. As of Tuesday morning, it had 8,539 members.

.A member of the church, Fran Ingram, told msnbc.com that they had a "stack of about 150" Qurans, which she said had been sent from across the world. "We are expecting to burn about 200 at least," she said.

"I think we should go ahead personally," Ingram added. "That's what I think. I stand with the pastors. We need to go ahead with it."

However, asked about how she would feel if the church decided to abandon the event, she told msnbc.com: "I would be in agreement ... not like a puppet on a string ... I believe in the word of God. We are hearing what God wants us to do."

She said "a few of the pastors" would burn the Qurans on a field outside the church, while she and other members of the congregation remained inside. "They are going to take the risk," Ingram said.

Jones, who runs the small, evangelical Christian church with an anti-Islam philosophy, says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.

On Monday, Petraeus said the Quran-burning event would be exploited by the Taliban.

.."It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," he said. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world, we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, commander of the NATO Training Mission in Afghanistan, told CNN the news of event was already provoking popular anger in Afghanistan.

"It's their Holy Book, so when somebody says that they're going to destroy that and cause a desecration to something that's very sacred to them, it's already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern amongst the people," he said.

"We very much feel that this could jeopardize the safety of our men and women that are serving over here," Caldwell added.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters in Washington Tuesday that he “strongly condemned” the church’s plan.

“I think such actions are in a strong contradiction with all of the values we stand for and fight for,” he said.

."Of course, there is a risk it may also have a negative impact on the security for our troops,” Rasmussen added.

'Death to America'
In Kabul, several hundred demonstrators, mostly students from religious schools who gathered outside Kabul's Milad ul-Nabi mosque on Monday, rallied to protest against the church's plan.

"We call on America to stop desecrating our Holy Quran," student Wahidullah Nori told Reuters. Some in the crowd chanted "Death to America."

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said the "United States government in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups".

"Americans from all religious and ethnic backgrounds reject this offensive initiative by this small group in Florida, a great number of American voices are protesting the hurtful statements made by this organization," it said in a statement.

Muslims consider the Quran to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect, along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the Quran is deeply offensive.

In this progressive north Florida town of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus, the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache is mostly seen as a fringe character who doesn't deserve the attention he's getting.

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This happened in New Jersey
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Did this take place in India or in New Jersey? Not that it makes any difference, it still does not undo what others have done. Hate breeds Hate, period.
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This happened in India? Is this supposed to be an excuse for what happened here with the Mosque thing and all the extreme actions on our own soil against innocents? No one is condoning this action where ever it might be.It also looks like they are standing against the action. Which did not happen here? did it? I wonder if they feel self rightous about their actions like many over here do?
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