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No-Fly Zone
The British MOD grounded and began scarpping the last operational GR-9 Harriers in December 2010, leaving the Brit8ish Carrier Ark Royal with no aircraft and the British without a seaborne strike force, although the aircraft had an operational life of at least five more years.
After much dithering, America's number one golf and basketball champion decided to place United States strike aircraft under United Nations operational control to enforce a no-fly zone in Libya.
What's your opinion?
After much dithering, America's number one golf and basketball champion decided to place United States strike aircraft under United Nations operational control to enforce a no-fly zone in Libya.
What's your opinion?
I also heard this today ,there really are'nt any defined objectives what will the US do , just pull out before its finished ? Obama obviously feels he is invincible and can do what he likes as he has done for over 2 years .,perhaps he has finally met his waterloo ..
Representative Nadler (D-NY) has suggested he may bring impeachment proceedings against President Obama for initiating military action without consulting congress. Nadler questioned the authority of President Obama to order such action without consultation.
He does have a point. Regardless of the merits of intervention, this is not a case where there are United States interests at stake, and the U.S. has essentially declared war on another nation.
I continue to be concerned because there are no clearly defined military objectives or aims.
He does have a point. Regardless of the merits of intervention, this is not a case where there are United States interests at stake, and the U.S. has essentially declared war on another nation.
I continue to be concerned because there are no clearly defined military objectives or aims.
DH and I are watching this all on the news right now. He put it really well..at least I got it afterward. He said that it is not the reponsibility of the world to determine who any world leader is going to be. That is up to the people of that country. So it's good the rest of the world is involved to prevent him from slaughtering those that oppose him, but with that protection in place, it is up to Libya to determine their leader, and whether or not to oust Gadhafi. We can't just go in and topple every govn't that doesn't live by our values or beliefs. This made sense to me. I think he is right.
Ok, I understand better now. And just to clarify where I was coming from..no argument, just convo. I always like to hear a different perspective then my own.
The financial end of it remains to be seen I guess. I still don't think there will be much comparison though. I mean, isn't Iraq the longest war ever? Longer then the World Wars anyway. I guess Afghanistan isn't far behind. I really think with the way it's being handled in Libya this will be over fairly quickly. I mean Libya doesn't even have a true military. Gadhafi was and is so paranoid, he essentially disbanded them. So what he has here is really a secret police run by his son. So with all the countries involved here, it shouldn't take long.
I have heard a lot of different perspectives on what we are all doing there as well. It seems the official line is not to overthrow him (they are leaving that to the Libyans). It is to stop him from slaughtering people. I get it and I don't. I think it's good in theory as this is what really amounts to civil war and should be fought within Libya. The assistance is good though..I mean, this guy was bringing in hired mercenaries from other countries to murder his own people. Scary thing is, until this all started, of the African and Middle Eastern dictators, he wasn't the worse. He was in how he treated his own people, but not in how he worked with the rest of the world. Scary. So to not put a stop to him almost allows the even crazier ones to start up....Iran anyone? Things in that part of the world are coming to a head. So as expensive as this will all be, it has been coming for a long time. I think to not show some muscle now would cost more in the long run.
The financial end of it remains to be seen I guess. I still don't think there will be much comparison though. I mean, isn't Iraq the longest war ever? Longer then the World Wars anyway. I guess Afghanistan isn't far behind. I really think with the way it's being handled in Libya this will be over fairly quickly. I mean Libya doesn't even have a true military. Gadhafi was and is so paranoid, he essentially disbanded them. So what he has here is really a secret police run by his son. So with all the countries involved here, it shouldn't take long.
I have heard a lot of different perspectives on what we are all doing there as well. It seems the official line is not to overthrow him (they are leaving that to the Libyans). It is to stop him from slaughtering people. I get it and I don't. I think it's good in theory as this is what really amounts to civil war and should be fought within Libya. The assistance is good though..I mean, this guy was bringing in hired mercenaries from other countries to murder his own people. Scary thing is, until this all started, of the African and Middle Eastern dictators, he wasn't the worse. He was in how he treated his own people, but not in how he worked with the rest of the world. Scary. So to not put a stop to him almost allows the even crazier ones to start up....Iran anyone? Things in that part of the world are coming to a head. So as expensive as this will all be, it has been coming for a long time. I think to not show some muscle now would cost more in the long run.
Everyone is missing my point. Settle down..... I am stating the obvious and perhaps teko said it best when she said "those that liked Bush hate Obama, and those that like Obama hate Bush." Bush had 2 4-year terms. I voted for him both times because I simply don't care for Kerry. I voted for Obama because Palin and McCain weren't viable choices.
I haven't cared a whole lot about Obama's handling of some things..... but I am behind him 100% here. We're already into this financially more than everyone else combined. When I say that, I am simply saying that the people who hated all of the spending Bush did in the wars, here we are in another one and you won't hear a peep out of those people. (By the way, the spending on both wars is little considering the debt handed to Obama. Congress (some democrats in congress are mad at Obama right now over this) started spending money on everything.... it's a habit congress and US politics has in general. Instead of over hauling policies and useless entities, congress throws money at it to keep it afloat. They did so this time in order to not lose more jobs on their watch.
Bottom line is, we can't take care of America and we try to be everyone's savior.... all at the cost of the American tax payer. A lot of those same tax payers are very biased.... against all spending until their guys are doing it.... then it's ok.
IMO, we should have been in Libya earlier. Gadhafi has been terrorizing his countries people for 40 years. We've had opportunity and have failed. Some guy this morning (American Military General) said that the intent of this is not to overthrow Gadhafi.... that he may be able to stay in power????? WTF? IF we're going to let him stay in power, what are we doing bombing them? Another guy on the panel said that the French may have assassination attempts in mind..... smoke and mirrors, or politics as usual. I just want to know exactly what we are trying to accomplish and why? I'd like to see the success or failure of money spent......
I haven't cared a whole lot about Obama's handling of some things..... but I am behind him 100% here. We're already into this financially more than everyone else combined. When I say that, I am simply saying that the people who hated all of the spending Bush did in the wars, here we are in another one and you won't hear a peep out of those people. (By the way, the spending on both wars is little considering the debt handed to Obama. Congress (some democrats in congress are mad at Obama right now over this) started spending money on everything.... it's a habit congress and US politics has in general. Instead of over hauling policies and useless entities, congress throws money at it to keep it afloat. They did so this time in order to not lose more jobs on their watch.
Bottom line is, we can't take care of America and we try to be everyone's savior.... all at the cost of the American tax payer. A lot of those same tax payers are very biased.... against all spending until their guys are doing it.... then it's ok.
IMO, we should have been in Libya earlier. Gadhafi has been terrorizing his countries people for 40 years. We've had opportunity and have failed. Some guy this morning (American Military General) said that the intent of this is not to overthrow Gadhafi.... that he may be able to stay in power????? WTF? IF we're going to let him stay in power, what are we doing bombing them? Another guy on the panel said that the French may have assassination attempts in mind..... smoke and mirrors, or politics as usual. I just want to know exactly what we are trying to accomplish and why? I'd like to see the success or failure of money spent......
Oh goodness, I should have clarified my comments were to brice, adgal posted in the middle of it, oops, my bad! sorry.
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