Watch here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-and-vp-biden-unveil-package-proposals-reduce-gun-violence
I watched the whole thing..He is BRILLIANT...He is not about "gun control"..He's more about gun safety from ALL aspects..That makes sense..I like the tone he's taking..It IS all common sense and we do have a moral responsibility to do something....
LOL Brilliant...come on. I try to have a civil discussion and you post things like that. How can I seriously respond to anything you say?
He has not done anything to address the issue. Mass shootings are few and are works of people not right in the head. Daily violence is for the most part done by criminals. Where did he address reduceing gun violence? This is a knee jerk reaction and has nothing to do with daily gun violence. What is he doing to take weapons out of the hands of gang bangers? NOTHING. His hometown Chicago is the wild west with all the shootings they have.
This is short sighted to appease the sheep and not actually addressing the real issues. If he was brilliant he would say the ATF, DEA, FBI are going to put a hard press on gangs. They are going to be cracking down on illegal gun sales with stiffer penalities. More kids get murdered by a stray bullet in a gang shooting then in a mass shooting. He would say that average citizens need to call the police when they see gang violence so we take these people off the street. Stop being silent when the police question you about what happened because you live in the hood and there is some kind of code going on.
Pisses me off that real issues are not even talked about.
"LOL Brilliant...come on. I try to have a civil discussion and you post things like that. How can I seriously respond to anything you say? "
Whatever Vance...Why should what I think of him have any hinder on having a civil discussion with me?...I like the guy..So what?!...
I'm not going to go back and forward with you ..I think this is a VERY good start..The Public is with him on these issues and while it may not solve ALL of the crime, it WILL save lives...He has addressed what he can address with executive order. No its time for congress to REALLY be open minded and see that the President is NOT trying to take Anyone's guns away or infringe on Anyone's 2nd Amendment right. He want gun safety. Yes the Assault Rifle ban is in there, rightfully so..NO civilian needs an AR-15, bushmaster .223 or anything like that...It's a good start and I have hope that congress will pass most if not all of the recommendations...His plan is WELL ROUNDED and touches EVERYTHING..It shows he is ready to lead and lead in a responsible way. You may not agree, but don't be negative about something that is potentially good for ALL of us...
He is brilliant? He came up with all of this? Wow, why did he bother having Smoking Joe do a thing?
Let's not forget. there has NOT been someone in charge at the ATF for 6 years..He has nominated Todd Jones..He's been acting director now... let's hope congress acts fast and confirms him so we can get this show on the road...
I will only address you on this once, if you feel the need to be condescending, please take it to another post...We can have a discussion of the issues like adults..My opinion on the President shouldn't bother you so much. You have your opinions of him, I don't question them,,So I respectfully ask, focus on the actual topic of the thread or take that negativity to another post...
Ridiculous.... You said "he is brilliant" and I questioned you on that. You are giving the man complete credit for something that he did not accomplish alone? Why? Acknowledge the others....
And with sticking to the topic, the topic had nothing to do with his brilliance. Perhaps you too should stick to the topic, eh? Fair enough?
His "plan" is not a start to anything. This is not taking up the real issue. CRIMINALS committ the violence and most of the time with illegal guns.
I have no problem with some stricter gun controls, but make no mistake about it this has nothing to do with safety for John who lives in the projects. This is about a reaction that is not going to stop Chris and Melvin from doing a drive by and Tiffany being hit with a stray bullet. This is not going to stop Tom from going into a convenience store with a gun and getting $75. This is not even going to address the issue of true gun violence.
Your bias for him affects how you speak about him and how you examine what he says. So when you come off and say how brilliant he is, nothing I say will open your eyes to the true issue we are dealing with. So how can I have a civil conversation? Your going to get frustrated, I'm going to get frustrated.
"His "plan" is not a start to anything. This is not taking up the real issue. CRIMINALS committ the violence and most of the time with illegal guns."
You have a right to your opinion as do I...
"This is about a reaction that is not going to stop Chris and Melvin from doing a drive by and Tiffany being hit with a stray bullet. This is not going to stop Tom from going into a convenience store with a gun and getting $75. This is not even going to address the issue of true gun violence."
That's how you see it..I see it differently, and that's ok...
"Your bias for him affects how you speak about him and how you examine what he says. So when you come off and say how brilliant he is, nothing I say will open your eyes to the true issue we are dealing with. So how can I have a civil conversation? Your going to get frustrated, I'm going to get frustrated."
If you say so..
So you think that a mass shooting is happening everyday? You see mass shootings as common occurance?
My opinion is yes an opinion backed up by facts of what is going on. Go to a news website in Chicago and LA and Oakland and see how many shooting have been reported since Newtown. Then you will see that is the violence that needs to be truly addressed.
Thank you Mike Simon for being, as always, the voice of reason.
"He is BRILLIANT...He is not about "gun control"..He's more about gun safety from ALL aspects.."
Thank you Mrs. P I agree with you 100%. I dont think anything that Obama Administration is looking at is so far from the beaten path it seems to me as if the NRA is over reacting on some priniciples ground that in the light of Newtown makes zero sense. it is better to try and do something rather than do nothing at all and admit complete defeat. Next step Mad MaX.
"So you think that a mass shooting is happening everyday? You see mass shootings as common occurance?"
Of course they are not but they are happening on an average of every year and a half..that's too much...Now, regular EVERYDAY shooting are something the needs to be addressed as well. We all know that..No one makes noises about those every day shootings...1 month since the Sandy hook tragedy's there have been 900 gun related deaths....If the gun is not a source of the problem then what is? Like I said, his plan is well rounded. it touches everything. The 23 above executive order are what he can do without congress...He will present congress with the rest of the issues and it's up to the people to urge their leaders and representatives to vote for most if not all of the proposal...
Hey there!..
" it is better to try and do something rather than do nothing at all and admit complete defeat."
Ditto!
NRA is not the topic and we've been asked to stay on topic.
I don't have a problem with anything that was said in that speech. Legislatively, we've just created another road block.
I don't know how any of this is expected to stop the next mass shooting, however. I wish it would with all my heart...... but it won't.
nygirl are you drunk because Mike has not posted to this thread.
His plan has nothing to do with the daily violence that is in our streets. You don't have to buy into everything he does as some amazing great thing.
So 900 deaths and most would be probably hand gun related shootings not AR-15's. I'm not trying to downplay the mass shootings but the daily shootings are the problem. Criminals with guns are the problem. The horrible economy is the problem, the lack of jobs is the problem, the lack of good school systems is the problem, the lack of parental control is the problem.
"So 900 deaths and most would be probably hand gun related shootings not AR-15's"
Nope but they are a result of a gun.....the issue with the Ar-15 is, it can do A LOT of damage in a matter of minutes...IMO, NO civilian should be able to own one (Let's remember, my husband owns one..)...No civilian should be able to order mass quantities of bullets online....
"Criminals with guns are the problem."
If you eliminate the gun, then you only have criminals....
"The horrible economy is the problem, the lack of jobs is the problem, the lack of good school systems is the problem, the lack of parental control is the problem."
I agree with all of this. I also know that a gun is the problem too..
The way I see it, you have to start somewhere. I'd like to see the background check stuff start to work. In my industry, each of my cows is ear tagged. Because of that ear tag, the government can track my cow from the ranch, to the box car that it was loaded on to, to the stall it slept in at the processing plant. That is just one little number.
Our government has issued us SS numbers, drivers licenses, license plate numbers, identification numbers if you were in the military and identification numbers if you've been in the pokey.... still they can't track a human.
As I said, you have to start somewhere.
How do you go about getting the guns out of the hands of criminals though?
THE GUN is not the problem. So many factors lead up to someone obtaining a gun and using it for criminal means. I'm not arguing against a ban of weapons right now, I am arguing that Obama did not address the real issue. He addressed the knee jerk reaction to the horrible event that took place. No matter who would be in office if they did the same thing i would say the same thing. This is not being a leader to solve the real issue, this is appeasing the uninformed public.
I'm just going to say this----- again, never a gun ban advocate before BUT-- less kids would have died that fateful day if it were not for the automatic weapon Adam Lanza's mother owned. He'd used a different type of gun, sure. But less bullets would have flown, less dead kids/teachers.
I don't want to do away with gun ownership but am now in the corner of feeling like banning assault weapons to the general public makes sense.
And while the job is hard to track people with guns, cut down on violent attacks, etc.--- I really hope we as a nation never give up trying.
Ok vance..I don't know what else to say...We'll just have to agree to disagree...
"How do you go about getting the guns out of the hands of criminals though?"
That's the million dollar question Wallace..I don't know the answer to it but hopefully the starting point of battling gun violence brings us that answer....
If Lanza had needed to stop and reload, its possible that more children would have been able to escape. Teachers would have had more opportunity to safeguard their students.
I'm glad the president is trying to find some way to prevent more of this. I know it will never please everybody, but at least he is looking for answers.