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What does the government shut down mean for you?
http://www.aol.com/article/2013/10/01/whats-changing-whats-not-in-a-shutdown/20734319/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D384415
What it means for me is I need to quit writing letters to my representatives in DC and move to vote them all out. It means that there are too many people in DC who stand by party ideals and don't do whats right for the people. It means that there have been too many people in DC for far too long, and they think "playing politician" is some kind of game. It means that 535 people in government still get paid for doing nothing... absolutely nothing... and then the programs that actually help people get by are shut down.
Finally, it means that our nations priorities are screwed up in every meaning of the word.
What it means for me is I need to quit writing letters to my representatives in DC and move to vote them all out. It means that there are too many people in DC who stand by party ideals and don't do whats right for the people. It means that there have been too many people in DC for far too long, and they think "playing politician" is some kind of game. It means that 535 people in government still get paid for doing nothing... absolutely nothing... and then the programs that actually help people get by are shut down.
Finally, it means that our nations priorities are screwed up in every meaning of the word.
http://therightscoop.com/video-rand-paul-and-mitch-mcconnell-caught-talking-shutdown-strategy-on-hot-mic/
hmm. It worked for me just now, but try this one, it has the video with the conversation in transcript below the video....
hmm. It worked for me just now, but try this one, it has the video with the conversation in transcript below the video....
Now you threaten me with a beating?
Why would you allow federal employees to be furloughed and then turn around and vote for them to receive back pay during the furlough? They did nothing, they produced nothing during that time. Screaming about budgets, but handing out free cash. Where is the common sense?
Why are federal employees treated so differently than private sector employees?
just thinking out loud, no offense meant towards anyone.
Why are federal employees treated so differently than private sector employees?
just thinking out loud, no offense meant towards anyone.
The link didn't work for me... can you try again?
Rand Paul is another Tea Party brat and it's probably time for Mitch McConnell to retire.. I'm sure he's old enough and doesn't have to worry about SS...
Rand Paul is another Tea Party brat and it's probably time for Mitch McConnell to retire.. I'm sure he's old enough and doesn't have to worry about SS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ32Fnvpfhc
Published on Oct 3, 2013
Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell were caught talking government shutdown strategy on a hot mic...
Published on Oct 3, 2013
Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell were caught talking government shutdown strategy on a hot mic...
You might have been joking, but that was a direct, personal attack... can't do that... I don't want to take this thread down, so I'm really asking everyone to stop these personal attacks and stay with the subject of the post...
"Somebody needs to take Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio and a few others out behind the woodshed...." (don't forget Vance) :-D
"My mind is still spinning around the fact that these politicians get paid during it while the average everyday Joe citizen is without a paycheck. How can that be? They should all be locked in a room together and not allowed out until they figure this out. Disgraceful, it really is."
I agree. Their salaries should be the FIRST ones to go, after-all, they aren't doing their jobs are they ?
I agree. Their salaries should be the FIRST ones to go, after-all, they aren't doing their jobs are they ?
Look at the long term ramifications of lack of access to healthcare. Sure, folks can still get emergency care, but that is far more expensive then preventative. Preventative health care keeps people in the work force and not living off of social assistance for much longer periods of time. It assists with early diagnosis of so many illness' - caught earlier, less expensive to treat. Healthy children do better in school (proven fact) which hopefully means higher levels of education and productive working members of society. Preventative care includes education around issues like obesity, nutrition and excercise. Programs that started early can stave off serious long term health consequences.
I have no idea what the ACA involves, so no comment on that, but I do think it imperative that people be able to see a Dr., and not just in the ER when what may have been a small problem becomes a major serious one. Look how many welfare recipients are there because they could not seek treatment early for mental health, physical health conditions etc. and are now unable to work. So yep, in my mind it's a right. We are still very wealthy countries by comparision to much of the world. Health care should be a basic human right.
As for this shutdown? My mind is still spinning around the fact that these politicians get paid during it while the average everyday Joe citizen is without a paycheck. How can that be? They should all be locked in a room together and not allowed out until they figure this out. Disgraceful, it really is.
I have no idea what the ACA involves, so no comment on that, but I do think it imperative that people be able to see a Dr., and not just in the ER when what may have been a small problem becomes a major serious one. Look how many welfare recipients are there because they could not seek treatment early for mental health, physical health conditions etc. and are now unable to work. So yep, in my mind it's a right. We are still very wealthy countries by comparision to much of the world. Health care should be a basic human right.
As for this shutdown? My mind is still spinning around the fact that these politicians get paid during it while the average everyday Joe citizen is without a paycheck. How can that be? They should all be locked in a room together and not allowed out until they figure this out. Disgraceful, it really is.
Wow -- here's another one... Stop the personal attacks or this entire thread comes down and I don't want to do that, because there are some really good comments, here...
The ACA *IS* the law and it's time to stop fighting it and get on with the job of implementing it. There are going to be "bugs" in it and things that don't work... The job of Congress to work those out, for the benefit of every American citizen.
Somebody needs to take Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio and a few others out behind the woodshed....
The ACA *IS* the law and it's time to stop fighting it and get on with the job of implementing it. There are going to be "bugs" in it and things that don't work... The job of Congress to work those out, for the benefit of every American citizen.
Somebody needs to take Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio and a few others out behind the woodshed....
Healthcare is the law whether we like it or not and our elected officials are supposed to work TOGETHER to implement laws.
And I believe that as as supposed leader in the world we are disgustingly way behind in health care.
I saw better health care in Bangkok~ by a long shot.
And I believe that as as supposed leader in the world we are disgustingly way behind in health care.
I saw better health care in Bangkok~ by a long shot.
From the mind of a simple man who can not from his own opinion has to be told what to think. Well done clowney
I lean that way too.
In my opinion, health care should be considered a right. There are certain things human beings require to be productive healthy members of society, and healthcare is one of them. Food and safe shelter are others. Societies that do not address these issues are referred to as 3rd World Countries.
We are having a debate right and I'm killing you - as usual.
Is Health Care a Product, a Privilege, or a Basic Human Right?
January 8, 2013
By Robert Fischer, HCAO-Bandon 1/7/2013
Health care is a product when it is commodified and sold by profit-seeking corporations. It is the product of a financial industry that makes billions of dollars year after year selling people the promise of access to doctors’ services and hospitals.
Health care is a privilege when it is granted by insurance companies to people who are in good health and earning a good salary. It’s a privilege that insurance companies can revoke when people need it most.
Health care is a human right when people say it is, and have the courage and determination required to make it so. These people do:
The World Medical Association was founded in 1947 by physicians from 27 different countries to ensure the independence of physicians, and to work for the highest possible standards of ethical behavior and care by physicians. It is an independent confederation of free professional associations, which now numbers 100 National Medical Associations. “The right to health was first articulated in the WHO Constitution (1946) which states that : ‘the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being...’". (read more):
Physicians for a National Health Program is an advocacy organization of more than 18,000 American physicians, medical students, and health professionals who are in support of single-payer national health insurance. Here is an excellent essay by Ronald Pies, M.D.
Health Care for All-Oregon resolutely declares “Healthcare is a Human Right!” ‘There should be no barriers to healthcare for anyone. Other nations enjoy this right. We all deserve the same. Health Care for ALL Oregon is working to make this happen. We seek to create a health care system based on the principles of Universality, Equity, Accountability, Transparency, Participation, and the Public Good.’ (read more:)
Bob Fischer is a sociology professor who is retired from California State University, where he taught classes in Peace and Conflict Studies, Social Movements, and Social Change. He and his wife Carol live in Bandon, and both are active members of the Bandon chapter of HCAO.
http://hcao.org/home/2013/1/8/is-health-care-a-product-a-privilege-or-a-basic-human-right
January 8, 2013
By Robert Fischer, HCAO-Bandon 1/7/2013
Health care is a product when it is commodified and sold by profit-seeking corporations. It is the product of a financial industry that makes billions of dollars year after year selling people the promise of access to doctors’ services and hospitals.
Health care is a privilege when it is granted by insurance companies to people who are in good health and earning a good salary. It’s a privilege that insurance companies can revoke when people need it most.
Health care is a human right when people say it is, and have the courage and determination required to make it so. These people do:
The World Medical Association was founded in 1947 by physicians from 27 different countries to ensure the independence of physicians, and to work for the highest possible standards of ethical behavior and care by physicians. It is an independent confederation of free professional associations, which now numbers 100 National Medical Associations. “The right to health was first articulated in the WHO Constitution (1946) which states that : ‘the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being...’". (read more):
Physicians for a National Health Program is an advocacy organization of more than 18,000 American physicians, medical students, and health professionals who are in support of single-payer national health insurance. Here is an excellent essay by Ronald Pies, M.D.
Health Care for All-Oregon resolutely declares “Healthcare is a Human Right!” ‘There should be no barriers to healthcare for anyone. Other nations enjoy this right. We all deserve the same. Health Care for ALL Oregon is working to make this happen. We seek to create a health care system based on the principles of Universality, Equity, Accountability, Transparency, Participation, and the Public Good.’ (read more:)
Bob Fischer is a sociology professor who is retired from California State University, where he taught classes in Peace and Conflict Studies, Social Movements, and Social Change. He and his wife Carol live in Bandon, and both are active members of the Bandon chapter of HCAO.
http://hcao.org/home/2013/1/8/is-health-care-a-product-a-privilege-or-a-basic-human-right
Clown prince it is a privlidge for some and a choice for others, but you missed the whole point...it is not a RIGHT nor is healthcare.
As for the slow comment you made, well you have refused to have an actual debate on any subject, so you can try to throw the insults out all you want but everyone who can be honest with themselves can see the fear ooze from everything insult you make.
As for the slow comment you made, well you have refused to have an actual debate on any subject, so you can try to throw the insults out all you want but everyone who can be honest with themselves can see the fear ooze from everything insult you make.
You said driving is a choice - "Driving is not a RIGHT it's a choice..."
In a discussion of rights the license to drive a car is often brought up but I can't recall seeing it characterized as a "choice". It is always described as a "privilege" but I wouldn't expect you to know that. I thought I could teach you something but apparently that didn't work.
You really are awfully slow.
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You said driving is a choice - "Driving is not a RIGHT it's a choice..."
In a discussion of rights the license to drive a car is often brought up but I can't recall not seeing it characterized as a "choice". It is always described as a "privilege" but I wouldn't expect you to know that. I thought I could teach you something but apparently that didn't work.
You really are awfully slow.
In a discussion of rights the license to drive a car is often brought up but I can't recall not seeing it characterized as a "choice". It is always described as a "privilege" but I wouldn't expect you to know that. I thought I could teach you something but apparently that didn't work.
You really are awfully slow.
Never said driving is a right did I?
Yes it is bizarro world because talking to a wall gets a more intelligent response then from the clown posse here.
Yes it is bizarro world because talking to a wall gets a more intelligent response then from the clown posse here.
"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."
Huh?
Huh?
Bizarro is my new fav word! lol
The scholar of jurisprudence has spoken.
Think of the second amendment. The right to own and possess a firearm is free but the gun itself costs money. Get it?
The right to carry a firearm is free but you have to pass a test in most jurisdictions. Get it?
By the way, driving is considered - it has traditionally been considered - to be a privilege and not a right. I could argue that in today's world a drivers license is so critical to the pursuit of happiness that it might rise to the level of a right - and especially with the new restrictive voting laws republican legislators are pushing through. That's a bit too deep for the purposes of this insane dialogue.
It's the Bizarro World for sure.
Think of the second amendment. The right to own and possess a firearm is free but the gun itself costs money. Get it?
The right to carry a firearm is free but you have to pass a test in most jurisdictions. Get it?
By the way, driving is considered - it has traditionally been considered - to be a privilege and not a right. I could argue that in today's world a drivers license is so critical to the pursuit of happiness that it might rise to the level of a right - and especially with the new restrictive voting laws republican legislators are pushing through. That's a bit too deep for the purposes of this insane dialogue.
It's the Bizarro World for sure.
So you feel that it is right that the government is making everyone who does not have insurance get insurance or else they will be fined? That is ok for the government to over step it's power and do that?
Yes it was ruled constitutional because the fine was labeled a tax, but that was a bad decision by the Supreme Court.
If healthcare is a RIGHT then it should be given away free, if not then it's a choice. Driving is not a RIGHT it's a choice and if you choose to do so you have to pass a test.
Yes it was ruled constitutional because the fine was labeled a tax, but that was a bad decision by the Supreme Court.
If healthcare is a RIGHT then it should be given away free, if not then it's a choice. Driving is not a RIGHT it's a choice and if you choose to do so you have to pass a test.
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