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Primary colors: GOP hopefuls slam Christie after big win
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/gopers-gang-moderate-christie
The uber conservative 2016 hopefuls are showing their primary colors and hitting Chris Christie for not being one of them—even after Tuesday’s big win for moderates.
On the heels of Christie’s big win—he defeated his Democratic challenger by 22.5 points—GOPers are throwing barbs at the New Jersey governor and newly minted head of the Republican Governor’s Assocation.
Florida’s suddenly MIA Sen. Marco Rubio dissed Christie as a New Englander in a blue state.
“I think we need to understand that some of these races don’t apply to future races,” Rubio told CNN. “Every race is different—it has a different set of factors—but I congratulate [Christie] on his win. … Governor Christie has certainly shown he has a way of winning in New Jersey, in states like New Jersey… so I congratulate him on that.”
But yesterday’s victories for moderates and Democrats indicates that Christie’s big win does mean something—in Alabama, a Tea Party activist with birther leanings lost after business money flooded in to support his conservative, but less extreme, opponent; in Virginia, the far-right Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli lost after his Democratic opponent skewered his anti-abortion and far-right politics, and who can forget the New York City mayoral race where Democrat Bill de Blasio became the city’s first Democratic mayor in two decades, winning in a landslide against Republican Joe Lhota, who couldn’t seem to shed the Tea Party association?
Yet the GOP’s Tea Party wing just can’t believe it.
Do you think Chris Christie is too moderate for the Republican Party?
What do you think?
Do you think Chris Christie is too moderate for the Republican Party?
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Yes – he's worked with Obama; GOP wouldn't allow that!Yes – but only because the Tea Party runs the GOP now.No, not at all. Christie is right down the middle.
Kentucky’s Sen. Rand Paul used “moderate” as a subtle barb and suggested that the New Jersey governor is not a true conservative.
“I think the Republican Party is a big party, and we need moderates like Chris Christie who can win in New Jersey in our party,” Paul told CNN. “[W]e do need moderates like Chris Christie in the party. … I think the party in general is more conservative.”
Paul went on to blast Christie on the Senate floor for featuring himself in the fundraising ads for Hurricane Sandy recovery efforts, all but naming the New Jersey governor in a rant during a hearing on the federal response to superstorm Sandy.
“Some of these ads, people who are running for office put their mug all over the ads while they’re in the middle of a political campaign,” Paul said. “In New Jersey, $25 million was spent on ads that included somebody running for political office.”
Paul suggested it would create “a conflict of interest” and upset taxpayers who didn’t want their money being spent in that way.
“And that’s why, when people are trying to do good and trying to use the taxpayer’s money wisely, they’re offended to see our money spent on political ads. That’s just offensive,” he said.
Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz packed a few backhanded punches into brief remarks.
“I think it is terrific that he is brash, that he is outspoken and that he won his race,” Cruz told ABC News. “But I think we need more leaders in Washington with the courage to stand for principle. And in particular, Obamacare is not working.”
Speaking at a Wednesday press conference, Christie was cagey about his future political aspirations.
“I’m going to finish the job,” he said. “If the time comes where I change my mind and I want to do something else, then I’ll tell the people of New Jersey that I want to do something else.”
Christie said he was more ready for a possible 2016 bid than he was in 2010, when his name was first floated as a possible candidate.
“I’m a better executive today than I was when I answered those questions about two years ago. You would think I’d be better prepared to be president,” he said, but added “I just don’t know.”
The uber conservative 2016 hopefuls are showing their primary colors and hitting Chris Christie for not being one of them—even after Tuesday’s big win for moderates.
On the heels of Christie’s big win—he defeated his Democratic challenger by 22.5 points—GOPers are throwing barbs at the New Jersey governor and newly minted head of the Republican Governor’s Assocation.
Florida’s suddenly MIA Sen. Marco Rubio dissed Christie as a New Englander in a blue state.
“I think we need to understand that some of these races don’t apply to future races,” Rubio told CNN. “Every race is different—it has a different set of factors—but I congratulate [Christie] on his win. … Governor Christie has certainly shown he has a way of winning in New Jersey, in states like New Jersey… so I congratulate him on that.”
But yesterday’s victories for moderates and Democrats indicates that Christie’s big win does mean something—in Alabama, a Tea Party activist with birther leanings lost after business money flooded in to support his conservative, but less extreme, opponent; in Virginia, the far-right Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli lost after his Democratic opponent skewered his anti-abortion and far-right politics, and who can forget the New York City mayoral race where Democrat Bill de Blasio became the city’s first Democratic mayor in two decades, winning in a landslide against Republican Joe Lhota, who couldn’t seem to shed the Tea Party association?
Yet the GOP’s Tea Party wing just can’t believe it.
Do you think Chris Christie is too moderate for the Republican Party?
What do you think?
Do you think Chris Christie is too moderate for the Republican Party?
1,287 votes
Yes – he's worked with Obama; GOP wouldn't allow that!Yes – but only because the Tea Party runs the GOP now.No, not at all. Christie is right down the middle.
Kentucky’s Sen. Rand Paul used “moderate” as a subtle barb and suggested that the New Jersey governor is not a true conservative.
“I think the Republican Party is a big party, and we need moderates like Chris Christie who can win in New Jersey in our party,” Paul told CNN. “[W]e do need moderates like Chris Christie in the party. … I think the party in general is more conservative.”
Paul went on to blast Christie on the Senate floor for featuring himself in the fundraising ads for Hurricane Sandy recovery efforts, all but naming the New Jersey governor in a rant during a hearing on the federal response to superstorm Sandy.
“Some of these ads, people who are running for office put their mug all over the ads while they’re in the middle of a political campaign,” Paul said. “In New Jersey, $25 million was spent on ads that included somebody running for political office.”
Paul suggested it would create “a conflict of interest” and upset taxpayers who didn’t want their money being spent in that way.
“And that’s why, when people are trying to do good and trying to use the taxpayer’s money wisely, they’re offended to see our money spent on political ads. That’s just offensive,” he said.
Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz packed a few backhanded punches into brief remarks.
“I think it is terrific that he is brash, that he is outspoken and that he won his race,” Cruz told ABC News. “But I think we need more leaders in Washington with the courage to stand for principle. And in particular, Obamacare is not working.”
Speaking at a Wednesday press conference, Christie was cagey about his future political aspirations.
“I’m going to finish the job,” he said. “If the time comes where I change my mind and I want to do something else, then I’ll tell the people of New Jersey that I want to do something else.”
Christie said he was more ready for a possible 2016 bid than he was in 2010, when his name was first floated as a possible candidate.
“I’m a better executive today than I was when I answered those questions about two years ago. You would think I’d be better prepared to be president,” he said, but added “I just don’t know.”
We've had pretty good leaps before. (I don't think anyone is taking Brown serious though.)
On October 17th, 2001, Brown voted against a bill that would authorize “leaves of absence for certain Red Cross employees participating in Red Cross emergencies.” The bill gave 15 days of paid leave each year to state workers called up by the Red Cross to respond to disasters. At the time, state workers called for such emergencies were required to use sick and vacation days.
The bill was initially filed before 9/11, and after the attacks, it was made retroactive to 9/11, covering the time spent by state workers who’d assisted with 9/11 recovery work for the Red Cross. Brown’s vote against the measure came a little more than a month after the attack.
148 to 3, Brown being one of the three.
Yeah, he would fit right in wouldnt he?
The bill was initially filed before 9/11, and after the attacks, it was made retroactive to 9/11, covering the time spent by state workers who’d assisted with 9/11 recovery work for the Red Cross. Brown’s vote against the measure came a little more than a month after the attack.
148 to 3, Brown being one of the three.
Yeah, he would fit right in wouldnt he?
That's a leap.
President -- his name has been tossed around a bit, but I don't know if he's really thinking of it.
Scott Brown?
For what office?
The last thing I saw was that he was getting pushed to run for Senator in New Hampshire.
For what office?
The last thing I saw was that he was getting pushed to run for Senator in New Hampshire.
Some of what I saw of Scott Brown seemed a bit further right than I'd be willing to go, but I could be wrong.
Like you, I have a lot more research to do on some of these people before I could anything for sure.
Like you, I have a lot more research to do on some of these people before I could anything for sure.
"I'm not sure I could get behind Scott Brown"
May I ask why? Just curious.
I suspect he would get the veteran's vote due to his service in the guard.
He's healthy.
He's shown he can and will cross party lines.
I have to study up more on his foreign affairs ability--which I do believe will be a key election issue.
As far as Christie, I have much more research to do, but guess we would never have heard about him if it wasn't for hurricane Sandy.
And his health does worry me, as Clinton's does.
May I ask why? Just curious.
I suspect he would get the veteran's vote due to his service in the guard.
He's healthy.
He's shown he can and will cross party lines.
I have to study up more on his foreign affairs ability--which I do believe will be a key election issue.
As far as Christie, I have much more research to do, but guess we would never have heard about him if it wasn't for hurricane Sandy.
And his health does worry me, as Clinton's does.
well said!...
okay, She's not as old as I initially thought. She'll be late 60's. That's a little better but she worries me with the speculation about her health last year. Anyway, I do look at the health of a candidate, age, etc. So, when it gets closer to be serious about who runs, the world will take a closer look at how H. is doing. (or at least they should).
When people talk about H. Clinton running--- I guess I'm in the minority that I think she will be too old. She's had some health issues and will be mid 70's. I guess I do look at those things and I had an issue with McCain's age as well. He's still going strong but how someone fares health wise in their 70's is very individual. A death of a president when in office or even a debilitating health issue is a big deal.
As for Christie, I like him well enough but still hold out for someone spectacular to surface to the top. Patiently waiting. It's been years though . . .
As for Christie, I like him well enough but still hold out for someone spectacular to surface to the top. Patiently waiting. It's been years though . . .
All true statements. It's true that first Bush and now Obama really have not done the US any favors in terms of strengthening your relationship with other countries. I think many of us outside the US assume that this just simply isn't important to them now. That they can and will just go it alone, the rest of the world be darned. It would be nice to see someone in your top office that does believe the rest of the world has something to offer.
Arrogance? I think at one point in time it was okay for the United States to be arrogant. We once led the world in almost everything measurable that equates to being successful. The last 2.5 decades have taken its toll and now we are left trying to convince the world that we are the best. It's false arrogance along the lines of "fake it until you make it".
I agree with Proactive in regards to foreign policy. We don't have one and we elected someone without any foreign policy. I don't think Christie has any foreign policy experience. I do think he has the potential to be as good as anyone else has been with foreign policy. It would behoove him or anyone else that gets thrust into the national spotlight to NOT brag about being able to bring people together. If you truly can bring people together, you will. No talk... just action, okay?
"While I too think what happened is atrocious, I also think Iraq was atrocious and involved alot more people dying, so by those standards, where is the investigation into those lies pubs?"
I may be wrong, but I swear there was ample opportunity for investigation. Cries of war crimes can still be heard. No idea why the democrats didn't go after that with more fervor.
I agree with Proactive in regards to foreign policy. We don't have one and we elected someone without any foreign policy. I don't think Christie has any foreign policy experience. I do think he has the potential to be as good as anyone else has been with foreign policy. It would behoove him or anyone else that gets thrust into the national spotlight to NOT brag about being able to bring people together. If you truly can bring people together, you will. No talk... just action, okay?
"While I too think what happened is atrocious, I also think Iraq was atrocious and involved alot more people dying, so by those standards, where is the investigation into those lies pubs?"
I may be wrong, but I swear there was ample opportunity for investigation. Cries of war crimes can still be heard. No idea why the democrats didn't go after that with more fervor.
That's okay - it happens to all of us on occasion.
Your point is well taken though.
I have a special affinity for Israel but I do sometimes think that the tail might be wagging the dog with respect to our relations with Israel.
There is no question that the NSA's spying scandal certainly didn't foster good feelings among some of our close allies.
My opinion is that, aside from the NSA thing, our problems with our allies are more attributable to the crazy complex world we live in than it is to Obama's foreign policy. Take Syria for example - was there really any good choice there?
I do agree however that we do appear more isolated these days.
Your point is well taken though.
I have a special affinity for Israel but I do sometimes think that the tail might be wagging the dog with respect to our relations with Israel.
There is no question that the NSA's spying scandal certainly didn't foster good feelings among some of our close allies.
My opinion is that, aside from the NSA thing, our problems with our allies are more attributable to the crazy complex world we live in than it is to Obama's foreign policy. Take Syria for example - was there really any good choice there?
I do agree however that we do appear more isolated these days.
Ya I'll admit, maybe I got carried away adding the UN in there..
I agree with the gist of your post but please, don't throw the UN in there.
With Russia and China as permanent members with veto power what degree of cooperation can we really expect?
With Russia and China as permanent members with veto power what degree of cooperation can we really expect?
"I have no problem with this presidents foreign policy" Can you name one country that wants to be associated with the US? Israel is pissed off at our policy, heck even Canada isn't pleased with our policy. We have no uniform foreign policy, period. We can't even get the UN to go along with us.
Once upon a time I did not like Hillary Clinton. I feel differently now and would vote for her. I also like Elisabeth Warren but Clinton is more experienced all around. I think republicans would be crazy to diss Christie.
This benghazi thing and the ideal that dems or anyone but pubs think it was okay what happened is old, stale and simply not true. Does anyone remember the investigation that happened, before the subject became the political football it is today? While I too think what happened is atrocious, I also think Iraq was atrocious and involved alot more people dying, so by those standards, where is the investigation into those lies pubs?
I also do not agree that this president apologized for anything and that subject was taken out of context as well, so depending on which side of the isle your sitting on is how your looking at it, again all political persuasian by those with an agenda imo.
I have no problem with this presidents foreign policy. I do believe this is the longest we have gone without being in the middle of a war, so Im good with that.
The country needs to unite and keep the crazies out of the arena first and foremost, another flop letting them in in the attempt to shore up their power hold over winning. Now it will be interesting to see how the republican party deals with the take over attempt they created. imo
This benghazi thing and the ideal that dems or anyone but pubs think it was okay what happened is old, stale and simply not true. Does anyone remember the investigation that happened, before the subject became the political football it is today? While I too think what happened is atrocious, I also think Iraq was atrocious and involved alot more people dying, so by those standards, where is the investigation into those lies pubs?
I also do not agree that this president apologized for anything and that subject was taken out of context as well, so depending on which side of the isle your sitting on is how your looking at it, again all political persuasian by those with an agenda imo.
I have no problem with this presidents foreign policy. I do believe this is the longest we have gone without being in the middle of a war, so Im good with that.
The country needs to unite and keep the crazies out of the arena first and foremost, another flop letting them in in the attempt to shore up their power hold over winning. Now it will be interesting to see how the republican party deals with the take over attempt they created. imo
"Do you think everyone will have forgotten Benghazi by then?"
I haven't forgotten or forgiven. As I said, I will not vote for Clinton, even though she did here best to disassociate herself from the tragedy, she is synonymous with Benghazi.
I haven't forgotten or forgiven. As I said, I will not vote for Clinton, even though she did here best to disassociate herself from the tragedy, she is synonymous with Benghazi.
"I'm good with the President's foreign policy"
What foreign policy? Drone strikes? This administration has destroyed US credibility. Once admired, now despised.
What foreign policy? Drone strikes? This administration has destroyed US credibility. Once admired, now despised.
I honestly cannot say I have any idea about how Christie would handle foreign relations, but agree it is important. I think the last few US Presidents have hurt you in that area. Bush was fine until the big "your with us or against us" speech in terms of the war. That really was a massive problem. Obama started out great - was loved outside of your country. However, he too has not doen what he could of.
Can I be honest? Sometimes I am afraid to be as it might be seen as US bashing and it's not. I have tremendous respect and love for your country, always have. Most Canadians feel that way, so don't take this the wrong way. Barb, you mentioned apologizing for arrogance. Honestly, the US is seen that way. Not because of the people - people are people and like the rest of us you have the good, the bad and the crazy right? But because of the political speaking. The constant "American exceptionalism" and the political belief that whatever the US politicians decide we should all just follow and go along with. Again, not people, but the way the politicians say things. Remember, we see all the US news here, so see and hear what they say. They totally slam, and I do mean slam, any other way of doing things. It's like they think everything they do is perfect, and they couludn't possibly learn anything from any other country. That is how the message comes across, so yes, that would be considered arrogant. Does that make sense? I mean, the rest of us love our countries too and feel there are things we do well too. It is hurtful and comes across as kinda ignorant. The last two Presidencies have really seemed to state those points. Prior to that with Clinton, Regan and many of the others it wasn't like that.
Can I be honest? Sometimes I am afraid to be as it might be seen as US bashing and it's not. I have tremendous respect and love for your country, always have. Most Canadians feel that way, so don't take this the wrong way. Barb, you mentioned apologizing for arrogance. Honestly, the US is seen that way. Not because of the people - people are people and like the rest of us you have the good, the bad and the crazy right? But because of the political speaking. The constant "American exceptionalism" and the political belief that whatever the US politicians decide we should all just follow and go along with. Again, not people, but the way the politicians say things. Remember, we see all the US news here, so see and hear what they say. They totally slam, and I do mean slam, any other way of doing things. It's like they think everything they do is perfect, and they couludn't possibly learn anything from any other country. That is how the message comes across, so yes, that would be considered arrogant. Does that make sense? I mean, the rest of us love our countries too and feel there are things we do well too. It is hurtful and comes across as kinda ignorant. The last two Presidencies have really seemed to state those points. Prior to that with Clinton, Regan and many of the others it wasn't like that.
No surprise here, but I'm good with the President's foreign policy. As for Christie's foreign policy, I don't know anything about how he would handle it. I do know I would take him more seriously than any of the other "hopefuls" on the republican side..
I agree that whoever surfaces as a candidate will have to be more middle of the road, because I do think that person will be depending on a lot of independents, as will Hillary, if she's the Democratic choice. Do you think everyone will have forgotten Benghazi by then? Oh never mind, "what difference does it make", because most Dems didn't see a problem there, even though 4 Americans were killed because they didn't have the support they needed. Oh wait, reinforcements were told to stand down, because Republicans refused funding... I guess that's Bush's fault...
Back to Republican Presidential hopefuls; as far as I'm concerned, we can write off such hopefuls as Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio (big disappointment, because when he first surfaced I had no idea he was going to be Tea Party baby), Paul Ryan (I think he's a major (not the only one) reason why Romney lost). There are others, I've read about including both Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman - I hope they spare us the embarrassment. I've heard that Jeb Bush, our previous governor might run.. he was a good governor and did much better by the State of FL than our current governor has done, but I'm afraid his name could keep him from a win. Any thoughts on Kelly Ayotte from NH? I've heard she might join the fray, as well.
From what I've seen, I do like Christie and somehow I think he'd be a lot better dealing with foreign affairs than our current leader has been. Somehow, I can't see Christie apologizing for American behavior, calling us arrogant, or bowing down to anyone.
Back to Republican Presidential hopefuls; as far as I'm concerned, we can write off such hopefuls as Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio (big disappointment, because when he first surfaced I had no idea he was going to be Tea Party baby), Paul Ryan (I think he's a major (not the only one) reason why Romney lost). There are others, I've read about including both Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman - I hope they spare us the embarrassment. I've heard that Jeb Bush, our previous governor might run.. he was a good governor and did much better by the State of FL than our current governor has done, but I'm afraid his name could keep him from a win. Any thoughts on Kelly Ayotte from NH? I've heard she might join the fray, as well.
From what I've seen, I do like Christie and somehow I think he'd be a lot better dealing with foreign affairs than our current leader has been. Somehow, I can't see Christie apologizing for American behavior, calling us arrogant, or bowing down to anyone.
How would you weigh Christie's ability to deal in foreign affair issues? This has certainly been a weak area for our current leader.
I like Christie and think he would make a good President. From where I am standing it seems to me like he holds true to traditional Conservative values, but also seems to be able and willing to work with the other party. Whether the next President is Conservative or Liberal, it seems to me that ability would be crucial and something folks will be looking for. I like that he personally seems to live by his ideals, but doesn't feel the need to make others live the way he chooses to. I like the guy and hope he gets the nomination. Or someone like him anyway.
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