* see as a good thing then by many conservatives I should say.
Teko, when I was in college in the 80's, unions were not seen as a good thing. This is not new. It was a debate back then and I took part of a mock debate on my college campus. (ha ha, for the UNION side. Was liberal until I actually started working).
I'm republican.... I've disliked unions and what they do (don't do) since the 1980's, before I ever "pulled the lever". I think the others here that are not for unions gathered their opinions well before 2010, but I won't speak for them.
You are right though about not working for someone that is a union shop, but that completely depends on where you live and what you want to do for a living.
That completely coincides for the statement above regarding "working on concrete" and "working on loading ramps". If you do not want to stand on your feet all day and do manual labor, get a desk job. I am sure there is a wonderful union that would be happy to take your monthly dues and "represent" you when you need them most.
I was asked if I wanted to join the laborers union back in the early 80's. I asked what the benefits were, and when I told them that I negotiated an adequate salary complete with performance based incentives and a schedule that was complimentary to the life style I wanted to lead, the guy became very frustrated. He told me that I didn't get it, so I asked him what he (the union) would do for me.... he walked away.
That was my first and only personal interaction with a union rep. It was all I needed.
No argument about the need for change... I think we all agree on that.
It is a matter of keeping in place the necessary safeguards without the abuse of power on either end. :)
My personal issue with Unions is how powerful they have become, and there is just so much blatant abuse of that power. I would have no issue if their areas of focus were ensuring members were treated fairly (safe working conditions, fair and equal pay, etc). That was the intent when they started.
Problem I have is that they DO protect those that shouldn't be protected. Bad teachers (I have huge respect for teachers, but there are some bad ones out there), demanding more money then a company can afford to pay and stay in business, with the threat of walking off the job if it doesn't happen. The huge political clout they now seem to have. For me, those are abuses. If they stayed true to their initial reason for beginning, and were fair about it, I'd have no problem at all with them. I just find they are less about negotiating with a company, and more about demanding, and so many companies have no choice in the matter if they want to stay in business. It's wrong.
Ah, Teko, your brilliance never dims! Thanks for that.
(I am serious)