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Steubenville suspect's text messages paint disturbing picture
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-suspects--text-messages-paint-disturbing-picture-of-night-of-alleged-rape--according-to-prosecutors-053236470.html
STEUBENVILLE, Ohio – Across a remarkable couple of hours Thursday, JoAnn Gibb, a slight but tough-minded forensic specialist for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation, sat on a witness stand in a small, third-floor courtroom here and read the contents of hundreds of teenage text messages – explicit and vulgar, at times celebratory and at other moments desperate and pathetically sad.
They were culled from the cell phones of 17 kids, seized in the investigation that led to two Steubenville High School football players being charged with the August 2012 rape of a 16-year-old West Virginia girl after a night of partying. It is one of the largest cell phone culls in the state's history, and the contents of those messages intensified the trial in this football-mad, aging steel town.
"It was an extraordinary level of evidence and detail," said Katie Hanna of the Ohio Alliance to End Sexual Assault and a veteran observer of sexual assault cases. "I've never heard of anything like it."
STEUBENVILLE, Ohio – Across a remarkable couple of hours Thursday, JoAnn Gibb, a slight but tough-minded forensic specialist for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation, sat on a witness stand in a small, third-floor courtroom here and read the contents of hundreds of teenage text messages – explicit and vulgar, at times celebratory and at other moments desperate and pathetically sad.
They were culled from the cell phones of 17 kids, seized in the investigation that led to two Steubenville High School football players being charged with the August 2012 rape of a 16-year-old West Virginia girl after a night of partying. It is one of the largest cell phone culls in the state's history, and the contents of those messages intensified the trial in this football-mad, aging steel town.
"It was an extraordinary level of evidence and detail," said Katie Hanna of the Ohio Alliance to End Sexual Assault and a veteran observer of sexual assault cases. "I've never heard of anything like it."
I don't know how else you could paint what she did... seemed pretty clear to me.
CNN's Poppy Harlow is taking a beating for her report, supporting the boys who committed the rape........ she's outraged that people would think she'd "do something like that"........... well, isn't that what she did?
Maybe reporters need to think twice about how they dramatize these things; she dramatized in the wrong direction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/poppy-harlow-cnn-steubenville-rape-coverage-criticism_n_2914853.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-nb%7Cdl9%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D286811
Maybe reporters need to think twice about how they dramatize these things; she dramatized in the wrong direction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/poppy-harlow-cnn-steubenville-rape-coverage-criticism_n_2914853.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-nb%7Cdl9%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D286811
Unfortunately, I know a little girl (16 now, but 6-7 when she was assaulted) who was sexually assaulted. I also know the person who assaulted this little girl. Clearly... There is a line drawn in the sand and when someone commits an act like this, games over.
We do all we can to support this girl and her family. (The dysfunction continues in that household, by the way. Partly because of this assault, partly for numerous other reasons.) We do nothing to support the person who committed the act.... Nothing. I believe this guy has the right to go live a somewhat productive life, and I also believe that he should be required to be a registered sex offender, never to be allowed around kids, needs to remain sober for the rest of his life....
We do all we can to support this girl and her family. (The dysfunction continues in that household, by the way. Partly because of this assault, partly for numerous other reasons.) We do nothing to support the person who committed the act.... Nothing. I believe this guy has the right to go live a somewhat productive life, and I also believe that he should be required to be a registered sex offender, never to be allowed around kids, needs to remain sober for the rest of his life....
I almost understand what some of the people who are "supporting" the perpetrators are thinking. I certainly wouldn't want anyone I know to be going to prison for rape (or anything else for that matter), but that does not take away the fact that a rape did occur.... that's where my "support" would stop.
I would much rather not have the rape be committed in the first place.
I would much rather not have the rape be committed in the first place.
I completely and totally agree.
Remember the case in which a woman was raped and there were men around cheering? They made a movie out of with Jodi Foster in it.
The lack of character displayed by these kids and adults that supported protecting them is disgusting.
Remember the case in which a woman was raped and there were men around cheering? They made a movie out of with Jodi Foster in it.
The lack of character displayed by these kids and adults that supported protecting them is disgusting.
It's good that the kids who were posting threats were arrested. They should have been. These people need to learn to focus on what actually happened, and a rape took place. There is no excusing rape... EVER!
Your kids would never behave that way. Nor would mine.
It is not to say that my kids were always good or didn't disappoint me or embarrass me.
But my one sledgehammer teaching to them above all things was to not harm other people physically or verbally.
Thank goodness that was the one thing they listened to.
It is not to say that my kids were always good or didn't disappoint me or embarrass me.
But my one sledgehammer teaching to them above all things was to not harm other people physically or verbally.
Thank goodness that was the one thing they listened to.
Those tweets are just beyond words...I pray to god that my kids do NOT end up as ignorant as these kids...I will do EVERYTHING in my power to avoid them turning out like this...
There are two girls who have been arrested and due to be in court today for this very kind of response. Threats, intimidation. Hello! Of course they should have been arrested! Ridiculous. I hope they make an example out of them too and give em the max penalty. Yes I saw the segment on CNN, and I heard Fox released the name of the minor victim as well. While the girl was drinking, I agree she didnt deserve to be raped and then humiliated on social media was way over the top. I too wonder what the hell is going on is society and why? Its scary to think what the world will be in another 20 years or so.
Holy $hit! Excuse my language, but those tweets are horrible and go to accentuate the issue here. The one girl that posted is worried about her family being torn apart.... well sweetie, when one makes a decision to go and rape a drunk girl, I'd venture to say that a few lives are going to be affected!
And of course, we are talking about ignorant teens posting.... but that is the problem. These kids need to grow up a little bit and not ever excuse something like rape under any conditions or circumstance. (By the way, I am expecting the victims character to be smeared in the media...)
Then you have the other girl saying that she is going to beat up (or worse) the victim? Is that not a threat? I hope to high hell that is being looked into and I hope someone with a sound mind shows this stupid teenager that she is in trouble for the threat.... "I'm going to beat you up because my friends raped you and you told on them". I hope this twit gets 4 months in the slammer for the threat of violence.
Boy, its things like this that completely outline what in the hell is going wrong in society and why.... The level of dysfunction is just crazy!
And of course, we are talking about ignorant teens posting.... but that is the problem. These kids need to grow up a little bit and not ever excuse something like rape under any conditions or circumstance. (By the way, I am expecting the victims character to be smeared in the media...)
Then you have the other girl saying that she is going to beat up (or worse) the victim? Is that not a threat? I hope to high hell that is being looked into and I hope someone with a sound mind shows this stupid teenager that she is in trouble for the threat.... "I'm going to beat you up because my friends raped you and you told on them". I hope this twit gets 4 months in the slammer for the threat of violence.
Boy, its things like this that completely outline what in the hell is going wrong in society and why.... The level of dysfunction is just crazy!
"My life is over".... Not hardly kid. You'll have a good long life in front of you. You can't un-ring a bell for this girl either. Because of your heartlessness, she too gets to live with this for the rest of her life."
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Well said!
I am sick of this topic but I actually posted the wrong link..the one I meant to post is below and it shows the tweets of the kids at her school. Unbelievable.
By the way FOX and MSNBC are as guilty as CNN.
http://www.upworthy.com/remember-that-time-a-rapist-got-convicted-and-the-internet-threatened-to-kill-th?c=ufb1
As for CNN, no comment!..
"I understand that this girl was drunk and I get the fact that this is a big no-no, but how in the world can you play that off... the fact that she was raped and try to make it look like it was her fault? How lame and messed up is that? She should not have been drunk... She should have been hanging out with a different crowd... She should have chosen her friends more wisely... None of that means she should have been raped!!!
"My life is over".... Not hardly kid. You'll have a good long life in front of you. You can't un-ring a bell for this girl either. Because of your heartlessness, she too gets to live with this for the rest of her life."
DITTO!...I couldn't have said it better myself......
"My life is over".... Not hardly kid. You'll have a good long life in front of you. You can't un-ring a bell for this girl either. Because of your heartlessness, she too gets to live with this for the rest of her life."
DITTO!...I couldn't have said it better myself......
Wow.... CNN did everything it could to make these rapists seem like the victims in this situation, didn't they? Pitiful.... disgusting.... What this piece of "news" actually did for me is gave me the ability to dislike these individuals more.
That piece where the one kid said, "my life is over, nobody is going to want me now" has a bit of value. This kid, if he opened his mind for a second, he could actually feel what this girl gets to feel.
I understand that this girl was drunk and I get the fact that this is a big no-no, but how in the world can you play that off... the fact that she was raped and try to make it look like it was her fault? How lame and messed up is that? She should not have been drunk... She should have been hanging out with a different crowd... She should have chosen her friends more wisely... None of that means she should have been raped!!!
"My life is over".... Not hardly kid. You'll have a good long life in front of you. You can't un-ring a bell for this girl either. Because of your heartlessness, she too gets to live with this for the rest of her life.
That piece where the one kid said, "my life is over, nobody is going to want me now" has a bit of value. This kid, if he opened his mind for a second, he could actually feel what this girl gets to feel.
I understand that this girl was drunk and I get the fact that this is a big no-no, but how in the world can you play that off... the fact that she was raped and try to make it look like it was her fault? How lame and messed up is that? She should not have been drunk... She should have been hanging out with a different crowd... She should have chosen her friends more wisely... None of that means she should have been raped!!!
"My life is over".... Not hardly kid. You'll have a good long life in front of you. You can't un-ring a bell for this girl either. Because of your heartlessness, she too gets to live with this for the rest of her life.
I saw this clip on the news....... how can anyone "pay tribute" to such disgusting things? Those boys did what they did; there's absolutely nothing "touching" about their behavior.
https://www.upworthy.com/cnn-pays-touching-tribute-to-the-rapists-who-attacked-a-16-year-old-girl?upw
This is worth watching. I too felt somewhat sympathetic to the rapists because of their age...but they make a good point about the culture of rape or supporting a culture of rape.
The tweets below were very disturbing.
This is worth watching. I too felt somewhat sympathetic to the rapists because of their age...but they make a good point about the culture of rape or supporting a culture of rape.
The tweets below were very disturbing.
Sex is no big deal these days. It is viewed as more of a recreational thing than something that binds one person to another in any serious way. I heard earlier that something like 79 percent of the girls that go on spring break fully intend to party hardy and drink and have sex, just for the fun of it. This is the girls! It was 80 something percent for the boys going on spring break. I think the very act that is meant to be an emotional tie between two people and bring new life into the world is now thought of as simply (fun) and there is nothing wrong with sharing with multiple people.
These children are simply the product of our own making. When you look at how society has minimized the impact and meaning of sex, from the parents and how they live to the movies we watch, the music we listen to?
There seems to be nothing sacred anymore. All the morals have simply gone by the wayside and we have now a more primal animalistic society from sex to harming our fellow americans without any remorse at all. At least that is the way it seems.
These children are simply the product of our own making. When you look at how society has minimized the impact and meaning of sex, from the parents and how they live to the movies we watch, the music we listen to?
There seems to be nothing sacred anymore. All the morals have simply gone by the wayside and we have now a more primal animalistic society from sex to harming our fellow americans without any remorse at all. At least that is the way it seems.
I think that is a valid point on the age of some parents these days. When babies start having babies, they themselves aren't even finished being raised so it just seems natural that manners and respect are lacking.
For me, there just was no alternative for not having manners and being respectful. Now don't get me wrong... I did test the boundaries sometimes and I wasn't disrespectful unless I thought I was being disrespected.
For me, there just was no alternative for not having manners and being respectful. Now don't get me wrong... I did test the boundaries sometimes and I wasn't disrespectful unless I thought I was being disrespected.
In my opinion it was bad enough they raped her but then to carry her party to party and gleefully post about it - that is just totally depraved. Not that being raped is not...but how twisted. We didn't mean to...no it seems to me like you sure did.
It's a sad story the girl the parents...sealed records and out by 21 years old. So fair (not).
It's a sad story the girl the parents...sealed records and out by 21 years old. So fair (not).
"You just don't see any formality any more."
Or respect Brice. You are so right!...It's such a shame...Gone are the times where kids respected their elders and each other..
"I want to know where the parents were in all of this?"
Me too!..I also think its because parents are getting younger and younger nowadays so of course the discipline that all of us here would impose on their children is NOT the same and they type of discipline some kids are getting now....
The girl said she remembered having three drinks. I dont remember what each was but I do remember thinking when they named them that oh no, they aint gonna mix
See...my point exactly. If she knew it was a bad idea why go ahead and drink?. I mean is peer pressure still that rampant??..
I live by this quote and I am also teaching JJ this....."When in doubt, DON'T".......
Or respect Brice. You are so right!...It's such a shame...Gone are the times where kids respected their elders and each other..
"I want to know where the parents were in all of this?"
Me too!..I also think its because parents are getting younger and younger nowadays so of course the discipline that all of us here would impose on their children is NOT the same and they type of discipline some kids are getting now....
The girl said she remembered having three drinks. I dont remember what each was but I do remember thinking when they named them that oh no, they aint gonna mix
See...my point exactly. If she knew it was a bad idea why go ahead and drink?. I mean is peer pressure still that rampant??..
I live by this quote and I am also teaching JJ this....."When in doubt, DON'T".......
I see a lot of things where I often wonder "where is the parental guidance". Things like this are obviously over the top, and maybe its just me... but take a look around and pay attention to the younger generation. I see so much of a lack of just general courtesy and manners.
I see kids speak to adults in a disrespectful fashion....
If either of my folks ever got word that I was being disrespectful, they would have broken me in half... We just didn't do it. We didn't even think of it. I mean, I was only on a first name basis with my very best friends parents. Everyone else's parents were Mr. and Mrs. (whatever their last name was.) Oh, and my baseball coach I had for 8 years.... I was on a first name basis with him and his wife.... my mother taught their son 3rd grade and even after we developed this relationship he still called my mother Mrs Dudley... said it was too weird to not call her that.
You just don't see any formality any more. In fact, some of the teachers at the high school go by their first name.....
I see kids speak to adults in a disrespectful fashion....
If either of my folks ever got word that I was being disrespectful, they would have broken me in half... We just didn't do it. We didn't even think of it. I mean, I was only on a first name basis with my very best friends parents. Everyone else's parents were Mr. and Mrs. (whatever their last name was.) Oh, and my baseball coach I had for 8 years.... I was on a first name basis with him and his wife.... my mother taught their son 3rd grade and even after we developed this relationship he still called my mother Mrs Dudley... said it was too weird to not call her that.
You just don't see any formality any more. In fact, some of the teachers at the high school go by their first name.....
Oh, don't get me wrong..... I have massive empathy for the girl, as well (again, I'm not blaming her for what happened) and having a son, I agree that I'd break him in 1/2 if he ever did anything like that; most importantly, I'd welcome a jail sentence for him to have plenty of time to think about what he did and how he make amends and might handle things differently another time.
I am, and think teko is too, simply questioning where the parental guidance was for all of these kids. I know SM and MrsP have (as did I) put "the fear mom" into their kids and these things won't be an issue, but not all parents are so astute. Oh, geez, are we all going to be accused of threatening our kids? LOL
I am, and think teko is too, simply questioning where the parental guidance was for all of these kids. I know SM and MrsP have (as did I) put "the fear mom" into their kids and these things won't be an issue, but not all parents are so astute. Oh, geez, are we all going to be accused of threatening our kids? LOL
I have massive empathy for the girl. I really do. None for the boys. If my boys do something anything remotely like that . . . I'm with mrs.P--- I'll break them in half. I love my boys but I'd never look at them the same.
"I want to know where the parents were in all of this?"
No idea where the girl's parents were; she was actually from WV and this took place in OH, so maybe she was visiting relatives, on vacation? How would she know a lot of people in another state to be going out drinking with? Her mother was in court, but of course, they didn't show her in order to protect the girl's identity.
Ma'Lik Richmond's father was interviewed after the sentencing and I felt like he kind of "excused" his son, because he hadn't "been there for him" during his growing years. Maybe he wasn't there for him, but that's not an excuse for raping a young girl.
I didn't see anything about the other boy's family/background, but I haven't watched news this evening either.
Let's face it - all of these kids were underage and should not even have had access to alcohol. Wouldn't there have to be someone old enough to buy alcohol involved? Or did they get it from a parent's liquor cabinet?
Yeah, teko, we really have to ask where the parents were...
No idea where the girl's parents were; she was actually from WV and this took place in OH, so maybe she was visiting relatives, on vacation? How would she know a lot of people in another state to be going out drinking with? Her mother was in court, but of course, they didn't show her in order to protect the girl's identity.
Ma'Lik Richmond's father was interviewed after the sentencing and I felt like he kind of "excused" his son, because he hadn't "been there for him" during his growing years. Maybe he wasn't there for him, but that's not an excuse for raping a young girl.
I didn't see anything about the other boy's family/background, but I haven't watched news this evening either.
Let's face it - all of these kids were underage and should not even have had access to alcohol. Wouldn't there have to be someone old enough to buy alcohol involved? Or did they get it from a parent's liquor cabinet?
Yeah, teko, we really have to ask where the parents were...
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