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Teachers & Students . .
Is it just me or are you all seeing an escalated amount of inappropriate relationship happening between teachers and their students. We've had several cases here in Utah over the past year. This past week it was a 62 year old teacher who married his 18 year old student (she graduated in June and turned 18 in September and then they eloped to Vegas to get married). What is wrong with people in authority? I just feel it's wrong!
But still and all, the age he is at, this is more than him being a musician. I was just saying what I see in normal circumstances. This situation is not normal, for her or him. She was underage and that says it all - he should have stayed away.
Nah, I can't imagine that at all. When I was that age, I thought my teachers if a teacher was even 40, they had one foot in the grave. That was old to me and so I just don't get it.
But when I saw "music" teacher. I don't care whether you sing or play in a rock band, wedding band or church choir, don't ask me why, but people usually gravitate to you. Its just the way it is. It seems that people have a thing for musicians. Ask my husband about that.:o)
But when I saw "music" teacher. I don't care whether you sing or play in a rock band, wedding band or church choir, don't ask me why, but people usually gravitate to you. Its just the way it is. It seems that people have a thing for musicians. Ask my husband about that.:o)
He is apparently the father to children who are much older than his new wife, and he has several grandchildren. Can you imagine being a grandmother at 18? The father is in her life and apparently from what several people who know the family have said is he is very active in her life. So, I don't know - but you would wonder when someone that young falls in love with such an older person.
Father Figure aspect
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More like Grandfather figure aspect. - sad but true. But in reality he's the one who has or should have the title - if he has been "friends" with her for the last three years.
And his title wouldn't be Grandpa either.
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More like Grandfather figure aspect. - sad but true. But in reality he's the one who has or should have the title - if he has been "friends" with her for the last three years.
And his title wouldn't be Grandpa either.
Any mention of the girl's father in this? Perhaps not, and maybe she's attracted to an older man for the Father Figure aspect..who knows, except if he makes it to 82 she'll be 38 and looking at him really different and regretting all the young years she missed. Odds are they'll be divorced soon or he'll keel over trying to keep up with a young girl just starting life..
Yes, I sort of wonder if the parents could have prevented this - I mean they allowed her to be "friends" with an adult teacher? But, then again, he's the age of her grandfather and so maybe they didn't think anything of it in the beginning. That's why they say they think he groomed her and from what I understand other girls too. I recently heard in another paper source that he had asked other previous students to marry him and they did not.
Thats ashame. According to the mother, her daughter and this teacher have been 'friends' for a few years. So this is pretty bad that all this slipped by everyone including the school staff. But it looks like he will be getting away with this. It always pays to have Police in your family so that you can get advice and so they can check things out for you or make a call.
Here's the original story - there is a later one that says he was cleared by police at this point.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=8204931
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=8204931
Boy, thats sad, her poor mother. I can't imagine how hard this must be on her.
The mother is the one who contacted the authorities when she found out her daughter eloped to Vegas with him. She said she knew that her daughter had become "friends" with him and thought it was odd. She also said she was feeling uncomfortable and was starting to wonder about him. I guess they married the day after her 18th birthday last month!
Asked to resign? lol. He's at retirement age so I don't think that could even be considered a slap on the wrist.
Did they ever mention anything about the parents or relatives - are they ~okay~ with this or did they try to stop the daughter from being with him. I mean I know some people that I could think of that I know and think they would say "Oh well, she is a big girl and hes an nice guy, so as long as my daughter is happy thats what matters.
But I also know people who would be making this mans life pretty miserable so that he would not have any interest in their daughter anymore.
So, do you know anything about where the family stands as far as this goes?
Did they ever mention anything about the parents or relatives - are they ~okay~ with this or did they try to stop the daughter from being with him. I mean I know some people that I could think of that I know and think they would say "Oh well, she is a big girl and hes an nice guy, so as long as my daughter is happy thats what matters.
But I also know people who would be making this mans life pretty miserable so that he would not have any interest in their daughter anymore.
So, do you know anything about where the family stands as far as this goes?
The police investigated and were unable to prove he did anything inappropriate with her. And, she is not testifying against him - obviously. But, there are others coming forward now and so who knows if something else will come of it. Speculation here is that he will be asked to resign, but be able to keep his pension!
Yes I understand what you meant now:o)
I think this guy should be in jail though, because as you mentioned the girl didn't turn 18 until Sept and she had graduated in June. But I guess each State handles things differently - or thats the way it seems to me.
I think this guy should be in jail though, because as you mentioned the girl didn't turn 18 until Sept and she had graduated in June. But I guess each State handles things differently - or thats the way it seems to me.
Also, teachers should remember that they are in the position of authority and should NEVER use that in having a relationship with a student. That's why colleges even discourage that between professors and students. It's the authority figure idea!
Now, if a women meets a man (or a man a women) who is significantly older than they are and they fall in love - to me that's acceptable since it's between two consenting ADULTS.
Anyway, I hope what I'm saying makes sense! :)
Now, if a women meets a man (or a man a women) who is significantly older than they are and they fall in love - to me that's acceptable since it's between two consenting ADULTS.
Anyway, I hope what I'm saying makes sense! :)
Let me clarify. I did not waiver on my opinion that I think it's wrong for a teacher to go after these young girls (or boys) after they graduate (especially when most of them groom them before-hand). I still think that's wrong! I also think it's wrong for all the other inappropriate behavior between teachers and their students that has been all over the news lately whether it be a female or male teacher!
When I said "You're so right! It's just a little strange the way this man has done this with other students. I really do worry for her. But, she is an adult and can decide what she wants. I just hope she doesn't end up regrettting it, ya know? " I was responding to the post by jd that said, "Maybe she's not just interested in his salary. Who are we to question the costume love comes wearing? There is little enough love in the world."
I was agreeing with the fact that we do not have a right to question the costume love comes in. If she truly fell in love with this man after she turned 18 and married him, that would be her business. But, in this situation, all indications are that the teacher groomed her before she graduated from high school. That's the part that is WRONG!
As for me thinking that this teacher was wrong for going after her - YES IT'S WRONG!
I hope that helps to clarify what I was agreeing with! :)
When I said "You're so right! It's just a little strange the way this man has done this with other students. I really do worry for her. But, she is an adult and can decide what she wants. I just hope she doesn't end up regrettting it, ya know? " I was responding to the post by jd that said, "Maybe she's not just interested in his salary. Who are we to question the costume love comes wearing? There is little enough love in the world."
I was agreeing with the fact that we do not have a right to question the costume love comes in. If she truly fell in love with this man after she turned 18 and married him, that would be her business. But, in this situation, all indications are that the teacher groomed her before she graduated from high school. That's the part that is WRONG!
As for me thinking that this teacher was wrong for going after her - YES IT'S WRONG!
I hope that helps to clarify what I was agreeing with! :)
Here we go again happy as could be ...all good friends and jolly good company...hey no cosying up guys, its the battles that keep some of us going , well some of the time, remember the great one we had on The Social ..the newbies dont know about that one .
Good for you! Glad to hear you didn't give up and they finally saw this man had a problem.
I'm always a day late and a dollar short in the group.
I had the BIGGEST problem with an inappropriate relationship at my dau's school last year. It involved the School Resource Officer. Yep, a cop. I went all the way to the Chief of Police. I had some VERY SPECIFIC examples to give to him of WHY I thought this guy was acting like a jilted lover instead of like the school liaison officer that he was supposed to be.
Last year was just awful for my dau. This guy bullied her at every turn.
I just found out LAST WEEK that he is being removed from ALL the schools in our district "no later than" next school year. I truly think that it is because I RELENTLESSLY fought EVERY time he harassed my dau.
Don't think that cops, teachers, or ANYONE in authority in YOUR child's school is "SAFE" just because they are in administrative, wear a badge or whatever is the case. TAKE CARE OF YOUR CHILDREN AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
I had the BIGGEST problem with an inappropriate relationship at my dau's school last year. It involved the School Resource Officer. Yep, a cop. I went all the way to the Chief of Police. I had some VERY SPECIFIC examples to give to him of WHY I thought this guy was acting like a jilted lover instead of like the school liaison officer that he was supposed to be.
Last year was just awful for my dau. This guy bullied her at every turn.
I just found out LAST WEEK that he is being removed from ALL the schools in our district "no later than" next school year. I truly think that it is because I RELENTLESSLY fought EVERY time he harassed my dau.
Don't think that cops, teachers, or ANYONE in authority in YOUR child's school is "SAFE" just because they are in administrative, wear a badge or whatever is the case. TAKE CARE OF YOUR CHILDREN AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!!!
Glad the anti-aging is working! lol
I am significantly older than Karen - 15 years.
But, I have been using a new anti-aging skin lotion so you'd never know by looking at us.
Mike
But, I have been using a new anti-aging skin lotion so you'd never know by looking at us.
Mike
Its just to much to comment on, so I will pass. Everybody said what they had to say.
Mike, you are right about what you said though. My apology to you Jd.
margy, I know your husband must love everything about you! lol I bet your husband loves to hear you on a rant! Mine does! lol He loves that I speak with a passion for the things I believe. We disagree sometimes in our views, but we have fun discussing things.
Mike, you are right about what you said though. My apology to you Jd.
margy, I know your husband must love everything about you! lol I bet your husband loves to hear you on a rant! Mine does! lol He loves that I speak with a passion for the things I believe. We disagree sometimes in our views, but we have fun discussing things.
Hey I also pity him sometimes ...LOl and I pity me for putting up with him.....
Yes I can imagine that you wouldnt share my views ....thats okay your views are yours and mine are mine ...just personal opinions really ....
I married a man significantly older than me. I married him because I love him. His salary had nothing to do with it. Some people cannot imagine that others do not share their views. What a shame.
Then again, some women just have to project their own intentions onto others. I pity the men in their lives.
Then again, some women just have to project their own intentions onto others. I pity the men in their lives.
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