I support Roe Vs. Wade but I think the reasoning was flawed or at the least somewhat convoluted. I'm willing to discuss that case if you're interested. Sometimes, though the reasoning may be questionable, the result is right- in my opinion only, of course.
But some feel Roe Vs. Wade is bad law. Isn't that a matter of interpretation of what is right or wrong?
this post was about the implication that Scalia and Thomas were tainted in their decision. I'm staying on topic.
I'm not sure if it is a good decision or not. but most of what was posted by desrt was not about the ruling but questions on why they made it.
"You are comparing these court justices to Stalin and Hitler? This ruling to the things that Stalin and Hitler did?"
No, what I was suggesting is that the gates of hell are paved with good intentions. And good intentions or a genuine belief is no excuse for bad law or bad behavior. The impact of the law trumps all of the intentions or genuine beliefs. That is clearly what I was saying. I guess you're not comfortable addressing the decisions themselves and I get that. I'd be uncomfortable supporting them too.
BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD LAW!
Well, isn't there often going to be one side that is in favor of the ruling and another that won't be?
You are comparing these court justices to Stalin and Hitler? This ruling to the things that Stalin and Hitler did?
I haven't really given my opinion on the decision because to me, this post was about saying that Scalia and Thomas were unethical with their decision.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/2/billionaire-george-soros-turns-cash-into-legalized/
"When rulings happen with the Supreme Court, even when I don't agree with them, I always tend to believe that they are genuinely what the justices believe in their hearts as right.............."
I don't think it's been suggested that the Justices' beliefs are not genuine.
But really, is that any excuse or even a reasonable explanation for bad law?
I'm pretty sure that Stalin and Hitler genuinely believed in their hearts they were right but they were nevertheless misguided - at the very least. In my opinion so too are these recent decisions - Citizens and McCutcheon.
When the Court makes a decision that may very negatively affect this country it doesn't matter much that their motive(s) may have been genuine. I respect your faith in the Court but I haven't seen much about your opinion of the decisions.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/02/koch-brothers-give-more-to-charity-than-to-right-wing-causes/
Wanted to clarify that I wasn't calling you a know it all for posting this!
I'm forever flawed in that I do respect authority and give them the benefit of the doubt. When rulings happen with the Supreme Court, even when I don't agree with them, I always tend to believe that they are genuinely what the justices believe in their hearts as right.
There doesn't have to be a sinister motive when a ruling is made contrary to one's own belief system in my opinion. I've been disappointed many times with outcomes of the Supreme Court but have always 'believed' that they knew better than I.
Of course, I'm not a know it all so that is easy for me.
Forgot that only the 1% can vote right? The millions who voted for Obama were the 1%? Oh wait the 1% were his donors.
It is hard for me to fathom how anything as dangerous and ominous as these decisions are in this setting of unprecedented wealth centralization remains obscure to so many.
"If wealth and income weren’t already so concentrated in the hands of a few, yesterday’s shameful “McCutcheon” decision by the five Republican appointees to the Supreme Court wouldn’t be nearly as dangerous. But unlimited political donations coupled with widening inequality create a vicious cycle in which the wealthy buy votes that lower their taxes, give them bailouts and subsidies, and deregulate their businesses – thereby making them even wealthier and capable of buying even more votes. Corruption breeds more corruption.
The closest parallel to today came in the late 19th century, when the lackeys of robber barons were literally depositing sacks of money on the desks of pliant legislators. The great jurist Louis Brandeis noted that the nation had a choice: “We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth in the hands of a few,” he said. “But we cannot have both.” Soon thereafter America reached a tipping point. Public outrage gave birth to the progressive era, in which the nation’s first campaign finance laws were enacted, trusts were broken up, a progressive income tax was instituted, regulations barred impure food and drugs, and the first labor laws put into effect in several states.
When do we reach another tipping point? And what happens then?"
Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich
If Justices Scalia and Thomas want respect, their behavior has to be beyond reproach. In my opinion hanging out with the Koch organization means they should have recused themselves from Citizens United.
I think we have officially turned into a service country. Now your vote is only good for what you can afford? Am I reading that right?
The one percent will rule, the rest of us will serve. Done deal now.
I think it is a shame that two Supreme Court Justices who server our country are called pets because they interpreted things a particular way. I personally have disagreed with many things that the Supreme Court has ruled a particular way on and maybe even this included but calling the justices pets disrespects the highest court in the land.
Of course, justices are often pegged as on one side or the other as they are appointed and then may have a certain tone to the way they rule based on their interpretation of the constitution--- and THAT is the system that has worked pretty well. So very unfair to call them names or imply that their rulings are anything other than what they feel is constitutional and right.
Like I said, I may not agree wit this but it is really pathetic of the author of this article to be such a crybaby (to use the CE favorite put down. :>) )
This smells of racism. How dare someone criticize a black man in a position of power.
"What complicates the report, as Gillers notes, is that the Supreme Court, very recently, handed down a major decision on campaign finance law that Koch Industries quickly utilized. Citizens United overturned existing law by ruling that corporations could spend unlimited amounts of money on federal elections."
Justices Scalia And Thomas's Attendance At Koch Event Sparks Judicial Ethics Debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/scalia-thomas-koch-industries_n_769843.html
"Reports that two Supreme Court Justices have attended seminars sponsored by the energy giant and conservative bankroller Koch Industries has sparked a mild debate over judicial ethics.
On Tuesday evening, the New York Times reported that an upcoming meeting in Palm Springs of "a secretive network of Republican donors" that was being organized by Koch Industries, "the longtime underwriter of libertarian causes." Buried in the third to last graph was a note that previous guests at such meetings included Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, two of the more conservative members of the bench.
It's not rare for a Justice to attend a seminar sponsored by a group with judicial or political interests. Members of the court, for instances, often speak at academic institutions or think tanks. Virtually all companies, meanwhile, are affected by the judicial branch. So long as Scalia and Thomas did not participate in overt partisan activities, there would be no apparent conflict of interest.
"There is nothing to prevent Supreme Court justices from hanging out with people who have political philosophies," said Steven Lubet, a professor of law at Northwestern University who teaches courses on Legal Ethics.
But the Koch event appears more political than, say, the Aspen Ideas festival. In its own invitation, it was described as a "twice a year" gathering "to review strategies for combating the multitude of public policies that threaten to destroy America as we know it." In addition, it's not entirely clear what the two Justices did at the Koch event. A copy of the invitation that served as the basis for the Times's report was posted by the liberal blog Think Progress. It provided no additional clues. A call to the Supreme Court and an email to a Koch Industries spokesperson meanwhile were not immediately returned.
Faced with a lack of concrete information, and cognizant of Koch's fairly intense history of political involvement, legal ethicists are urging for more disclosure.
"This is certainly worth more reporting," said Stephen Gillers, a professor of law at New York University. "It is intriguing because the Koch brothers are so politically active and identify with a point of view. I know I would be curious to know exactly what forums the Justices went to. Obviously they could not go to a strategy session about how to elect more Republicans. On the other hand if it was a forum on the meaning of the First Amendment and it didn't involve strategy or fundraising a Justice could appear... It's fascinating and it merits more reporting."
What complicates the report, as Gillers notes, is that the Supreme Court, very recently, handed down a major decision on campaign finance law that Koch Industries quickly utilized. Citizens United overturned existing law by ruling that corporations could spend unlimited amounts of money on federal elections. Koch has always been an active political and philanthropic giver. And its checks have been sent to Democrats as well as Republicans (though weighted more heavily to the latter). This cycle, however, the company has become one of the premier bankrollers of conservative causes, and earned the enmity of Democrats for doing so.
Suggestions that Justices Scalia and Thomas's support of Citizens United may have been affected by their time with Koch officials ignores the fact that nothing concrete is known about what meetings they attended and when. Even then, Lubet argues, it would be difficult to argue that there is "a troublesome nexus between the event and the decision." Scalia and Thomas have been opponents of restrictions on campaign finance likely well before they were guests at a Koch Industry seminar.
But their presence at the conference still raises questions of transparency and, for some, broader concerns about judicial independence.
"I think it is very important for judges to be part of the real world and to appear in public for educative purposes to help explain the arcane mysteries of the court to the general public," said William G. Ross, a judicial ethics professor at Samford University's Cumberland School of Law. "That is very healthy and I don't think that judges should isolate themselves in a marble palace... However I am very troubled by the tendency of judges to make broader comments on public issues and to appear in public or private gatherings in which there are political overtones."
So who wrote this liberal hit piece? But you can find an article this person wrote praising Roberts on his Obamacare decision.
The Supreme Court has no $ coming through them and rule by the Constitution.
McCutcheon v. FEC: Supreme Court Strikes Down Overall Limits On Campaign Contributions
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/mccutcheon-v-fec_n_5076518.html
"The Supreme Court ruled in the case of McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission Wednesday, striking down overall limits on campaign contributions.
According to Reuters and the AP, the court left in place a cap on donations to a single candidate.
The Supreme Court struck down limits Wednesday in federal law on the overall campaign contributions the biggest individual donors may make to candidates, political parties and political action committees.
The justices said in a 5-4 vote that Americans have a right to give the legal maximum to candidates for Congress and president, as well as to parties and PACs, without worrying that they will violate the law when they bump up against a limit on all contributions, set at $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. That includes a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates.
But their decision does not undermine limits on individual contributions to candidates for president or Congress, now $2,600 an election.
Chief Justice John Roberts announced the decision, which split the court's liberal and conservative justices. Roberts said the aggregate limits do not act to prevent corruption, the rationale the court has upheld as justifying contribution limits.
The overall limits "intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to exercise `the most fundamental First Amendment activities,'" Roberts said, quoting from the court's seminal 1976 campaign finance ruling in Buckley v. Valeo.
Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome of the case, but wrote separately to say that he would have gone further and wiped away all contribution limits.
Justice Stephen Breyer, writing for the liberal dissenters, took the unusual step of reading a summary of his opinion from the bench.
Congress enacted the limits in the wake of Watergate-era abuses to discourage big contributors from trying to buy votes with their donations and to restore public confidence in the campaign finance system.
But in a series of rulings in recent years, the Roberts court has struck down provisions of federal law aimed at limiting the influence of big donors as unconstitutional curbs on free speech rights.
Most notably, in 2010, the court divided 5 to4 in the Citizens United case to free corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they wish on campaign advocacy, as long as it is independent of candidates and their campaigns. That decision did not affect contribution limits to individual candidates, political parties and political action committees.
Republican activist Shaun McCutcheon of Hoover, Ala., the national Republican party and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky challenged the overall limits on what contributors may give in a two-year federal election cycle. The total is $123,200, including a separate $48,600 cap on contributions to candidates, for 2013 and 2014.
Limits on individual contributions, currently $2,600 per election to candidates for Congress, are not at issue.
Relaxed campaign finance rules have reduced the influence of political parties, McConnell and the GOP argued.
McCutcheon gave the symbolically significant $1,776 to 15 candidates for Congress and wanted to give the same amount to 12 others. But doing so would have put him in violation of the cap.
Nearly 650 donors contributed the maximum amount to candidates, PACs and parties in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The court did not heed warnings from Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. and advocates of campaign finance limits that donors would be able to funnel large amounts of money to a favored candidate in the absence of the overall limit.
The Republicans also called on the court to abandon its practice over nearly 40 years of evaluating limits on contributions less skeptically than restrictions on spending.
The differing levels of scrutiny have allowed the court to uphold most contribution limits, because of the potential for corruption in large direct donations to candidates. At the same time, the court has found that independent spending does not pose the same risk of corruption and has applied a higher level of scrutiny to laws that seek to limit spending.
If the court were to drop the distinction between contributions and expenditures, even limits on contributions to individual candidates for Congress, currently $2,600 per election, would be threatened, said Fred Wertheimer, a longtime supporter of stringent campaign finance laws.
The case is McCutcheon v. FEC, 12-536.
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