I just think it is a shame that a family company can't have the same policies that they've had (and employees do not complain about) but they tried to fight it and lost. Case closed. I think decent values in general seem to be a thing of the past. Talking about 'what goes on between a woman and her doctor' is a little exagerated for what plan b is really for. Some of these woman need a little more encouragement to think before they engage in behaviors that could change their life. Sure, plan b is there for failed contraception, etc., which is a good usage of the product. But ya know, what I generally see and now am in a position to hear from many many young women is that plan b comes after a night of stupidity (and often is not a one time occasion . . . it's another 'easy' out rather than making good choices in the 'moment'.).
But hobby lobby lost the case. It's over.
I agree with teko, these are decisions best left to a woman and her doctor to decide.
We do not get to pick and choose these things and we shouldn't. It's bad enough that insurance wiggles its way into making health care decisions.
What if the family run business doesn't believe in inoculating children because it's against their religion?
Should they refuse to pay for that item of health care ?
No.
Companies do not get to make the decisions about how the health care is handled, they just have to provide it.
I think you and I often see things in the end in a very similar way but get there in different routes.
No one is mad at hobby lobby. They are a pretty cool company and really, have had a Christian foundation to their business since starting it. I happen to know a couple of employees that love the organization. It is a wonderful thing that people can be entrepenears and bring their vision to fruition and with that offer people employment. And if having a Christian based company was part of the person who started the company's vision, then it is a shame to say that it shouldn't be part of things.
Interested to see what happens with this "Hobby Lobby" situation.
I am not sure why church/religion is being mixed with business here as "Hobby Lobby" is NO religious organization.
As Teko stated, they NEED to play by the rules or DON'T play.
I get what you are saying, I really do. But if you are going to run a business in the public sector, you play by those rules or you don't play. I don't even know why Im having this conversation at my age, it doesn't apply anyway! LOL But they need to keep the division of church and state or this kind of thing is going to continue to go on. We will not hire gays cause we dont believe in their lifestyle and our money will not go to support one and all those kinds of things. Times are changing and thats just a fact. But again, it will never affect me either so my opinion isnt worth much! LOL
But my husband's company picks and chooses through different plans they offer what we have covered as well.
I'm not against women having these pills even though you'd be sick with some of the things you read on this site and others.
While I do understand the whole concept of what the law means and is trying to do, I feel bad for Hobby Lobby which is made out to be unreasonable in the way they handle their employees. From all I've read, they are a great group to be employed by. And solid, good people. A success story in this messed up world.
It's a mute point now as the ruling is official. But I do feel bad for Hobby Lobby is all I can say. They were fighting for what they believe in which there is nothing wrong with that. They lost and now will have to do as they are told.
They're making is sound like they are being forced to personally pick up little packets of baby killing pills from the devils pharmacy and hand them out like candy to every woman in their business and immediate family. The false persecution complex they are sporting is rather sickening.
They are required only to help cover insurance costs for their employees, as all large companies should (if they want decent help), what the employees do with that insurance is none of Hobby Lobby's business.But that is just my opinion.
Well, it is still between her doctor and her. Because they don't want to be required to pay for it doesn't mean that a woman can't get it. And if she needs it more than once or twice, she's got a problem.
I personally don't care what a woman wants to do but some places of business incorporate their religious values into the environment. You would know that when you went to work for them. Most that do go to work for them might even appreciate it. Maybe not. But to me, if they are owned by a family verses the general public, the family should have some say in things that they will pay for.
Just my opinion. I have admired Hobby Lobby as they do not preach to anyone but live by what they stand for. They aren't bad people for trying to uphold the same values they've always had.
And they are not negating what a woman does with her doctor or her body. They just don't want to pay for a pill to terminate a pregnancy. She might have to buy that on her own. Well . . . now, I guess not.
I still am inclined to think the contraception issue should be between a woman and her doctor, not a woman and her employer. This will def be one to watch.
It will be interesting to see if they put their money where there mouth is? In other words it will be interesting to see if they pay the fines or not. hmmm.
Awful in my opinion. I love Hobby Lobby. And I so respect that it isn't 'corporate America' but a family run business.
They aren't saying a woman can't have the morning after pill but that they don't want to pay for it.
Read about Hobby Lobby and the family sometime. They are an amazing company that do wonderful things for their employees.
I think so too. A religious institution is one thing, that I can understand I suppose, but otherwise it should be included.