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We need to take back control of our prisons.
http://nation.time.com/2013/08/21/welcome-to-prison-will-you-be-paying-cash-or-credit/
New laws are going to make inmates pay for their stay in prisons and its about time. We really need the next President to focus on taking back control of the prisons. The prisoners say the prison is "our house". I really liked Trumps comment on the gangs, especially the latino ones like MS13, he said "Your so out of here if im elected".
New laws are going to make inmates pay for their stay in prisons and its about time. We really need the next President to focus on taking back control of the prisons. The prisoners say the prison is "our house". I really liked Trumps comment on the gangs, especially the latino ones like MS13, he said "Your so out of here if im elected".
I wonder what the statistics are for those that go through the short term "jail" system, before they end up in the long term "prison" system... Perhaps rehabilitation should start at the jail level, in hopes that most wouldn't make it to the prison level, but of course, it should continue into the prisons.
In those states that have contracts to maintain 90-100% occupancy (again, this sounds like we're filling up the Hilton), I can't see much rehabilitation happening once a person walks through those prison doors. The goal is to keep a prisoner there as long as possible and once they get out, bring them back quickly in order to maintain that occupancy... This is the most ludicrous concept I can imagine.
In those states that have contracts to maintain 90-100% occupancy (again, this sounds like we're filling up the Hilton), I can't see much rehabilitation happening once a person walks through those prison doors. The goal is to keep a prisoner there as long as possible and once they get out, bring them back quickly in order to maintain that occupancy... This is the most ludicrous concept I can imagine.
People are not in PRISON for traffic tickets. Prison and jail are two different systems. Most jails do not hold people longer than 2 years, Prison are for people who have an "extended" stay.
I think we need to invest back into the prison system and start more rehabilitation programs. When I say rehabilitation I don't mean just drugs but to change that person, give them job training so they don't keep coming back. Yes some people will never change, but if we give people some traning they might be able to become productive members of society. This would work on a very selective basis to start, non-violent offenders and some other criteria.
I think we need to invest back into the prison system and start more rehabilitation programs. When I say rehabilitation I don't mean just drugs but to change that person, give them job training so they don't keep coming back. Yes some people will never change, but if we give people some traning they might be able to become productive members of society. This would work on a very selective basis to start, non-violent offenders and some other criteria.
How do you charge the hobo that lives under the tracks, you know the one that's on summer break from the heat, nothing like pissing on a cop car to get some a/c for a week or two, what do you do, charge him more time for not being able to pay, that doesn't make much sense.
In the California county I live in....you are charged for your stay in the county jail. Also, California State Prisons pays inmates a small hourly wage for working in prison industries. This has been going on for the last 30 years +.
Depends on we're you live you live.
Depends on we're you live you live.
"they do community service type things like keeping road ditches mowed and cleaned of trash, along with other things"
I did that for a county jail, I only had to do 19 days on a 30 day sentence, as well as other perks, it was well worth with. :)
I did that for a county jail, I only had to do 19 days on a 30 day sentence, as well as other perks, it was well worth with. :)
We have a large prison farm in our county, as well, where they grow food and livestock for the 2 prisons and juvenile detention center. Inmates work at the farm, plus they do community service type things like keeping road ditches mowed and cleaned of trash, along with other things... I don't know if they get paid anything for working, but I've heard they do, though it's very little. They also have a program where inmates can get training to be licensed for water and wastewater treatment operators, which requires field training that they don't get paid for, but they have the best instructor in the state; there's a big call for that here and they get help getting a job when they're released. They also have access to other training for when they get out...
hrsepwrguy -- I've never been in jail, either, but I'm with you... if I only made $8 to $10/mo and they told me I'd have to spend it on necessities that they're supposed to provide for me, I'd tell them to KMA, lock me up and either let me sleep or bring me a stack of books... And to think I might still owe them money when I got out and/or have to go back to jail because of it, is ludicrous...
Perhaps, some of the states that don't have contracts with private companies could ship some of their inmates to states that do have some of those stupid contracts that say they have to maintain 90-100% occupancy (they make it sound like it's the Hilton or something) to fulfill the contracts, then they could reduce the costs of keeping their own prisons... It's beyond me, why any state or county would sign a contract to maintain 90-100% occupancy, while trying to reduce crime... the idea is to have 0% occupancy - nobody should profit from crime...
hrsepwrguy -- I've never been in jail, either, but I'm with you... if I only made $8 to $10/mo and they told me I'd have to spend it on necessities that they're supposed to provide for me, I'd tell them to KMA, lock me up and either let me sleep or bring me a stack of books... And to think I might still owe them money when I got out and/or have to go back to jail because of it, is ludicrous...
Perhaps, some of the states that don't have contracts with private companies could ship some of their inmates to states that do have some of those stupid contracts that say they have to maintain 90-100% occupancy (they make it sound like it's the Hilton or something) to fulfill the contracts, then they could reduce the costs of keeping their own prisons... It's beyond me, why any state or county would sign a contract to maintain 90-100% occupancy, while trying to reduce crime... the idea is to have 0% occupancy - nobody should profit from crime...
Most prisoners make between 8 to 10 dollars a month, if you told me I had to spent it on stuff that you would provide for me anyway if I wasn't working, I would tell you to bite me and lock me up, plenty of good books to read.
"Its only for their cloths, toilet paper and other personal stuff."
They HAVE to provide prisoners with these things, the jails are full of indigent prisoners, trying to make them pay is a joke.
It's obvious most of you have never been in jail, you never get paid in jail, the only thing you get for being a working inmate is time off your sentence, I've never been to prison but I understand they get paying jobs however, cloths and toilet paper are provided by the state
They HAVE to provide prisoners with these things, the jails are full of indigent prisoners, trying to make them pay is a joke.
It's obvious most of you have never been in jail, you never get paid in jail, the only thing you get for being a working inmate is time off your sentence, I've never been to prison but I understand they get paying jobs however, cloths and toilet paper are provided by the state
I have to say I am shocked. I never gave much thought about Privately Owned Prisons. They are guaranteed profit even if the beds are empty. I haven’t even looked at the profits from “Slave Labor” yet.
6 shocking revelations about how private prisons make money
Private prison companies are striking deals that guarantee high prison occupancy rates
Imagine living in a country where prisons are private corporations that profit from keeping their beds stocked at, or near, capacity and the governing officials scramble to meet contractual “lockup quotas.” Imagine that taxpayers would have to pay for any empty beds should crime rates fall below that quota. Surprise! You already live there.
A new report from In the Public Interest (ITPI) revealed last week that private prison companies are striking deals with states that contain clauses guaranteeing high prison occupancy rates. The report, “Criminal: How Lockup Quotas and ‘Low-Crime Taxes’ Guarantee Profits for Private Prison Corporations,” documents the contracts exchanged between private prison companies and state and local governments that either guarantee prison occupancy rates (essentially creating inmate lockup quotas) or force taxpayers to pay for empty beds if the prison population decreases due to lower crime rates or other factors (essentially creating low-crime taxes).
Some of these contracts require 90 to 100 percent prison occupancy.
In a letter to 48 state governors in 2012, the largest for-profit private prison company in the US, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), offered to buy up and operate public state prisons. In exchange, states would have to sign a 20-year contract guaranteeing a 90 percent occupancy rate throughout the term.
While no state accepted CCA’s offer, a number of private prison companies have been inserting similar occupancy guarantee provisions into prison privatization contracts and requiring states to maintain high occupancy rates within their privately owned prisons. Three privately run prisons in Arizona have contracts that require 100 percent inmate occupancy, so the state is obligated to keep its prisons filled to capacity. Otherwise it has to pay the private company for any unused beds.
The report notes that contract clauses like this incentivize criminilization, and do nothing to promote rehabilitation, crime reduction or community building.
“[These contracts run] counter to many states’ public policy goals of reducing the prison population and increasing
efforts for inmate rehabilitation,” the report states. “When policymakers received the 2012 CCA letter, some worried the terms of CCA’s offer would encourage criminal justice officials to seek harsher sentences to maintain the occupancy rates required by a contract. Policy decisions should be based on creating and maintaining a just criminal justice system that protects the public interest, not ensuring corporate profits.”
In a press teleconference about the report, Reverend Michael McBride, director of Urban Strategies and Lifelines to Healing at PICO National Network said the real human impact of having lockup quotas was unjustifiable.
“It’s important for us to step back and look at this from a moral perspective; all people of any faith or no faith at all can claim it’s reprehensible to imprison someone for making money or financial motives,” he said. “It’s important to always remember every single person is a human being … even if they have done something we may find problematic or illegal. They are not profit incentives.”
Here are six of the most shocking facts about prison privatization and corporatization, from the report.
1. 65 percent of the private prison contracts ITPI received and analyzed included occupancy guarantees in the form of quotas or required payments for empty prison cells (a “low-crime tax”). These quotas and low-crime taxes put taxpayers on the hook for guaranteeing profits for private prison corporations.
2. Occupancy guarantee clauses in private prison contracts range between 80% and 100%, with 90% as the most frequent occupancy guarantee requirement.
3. Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are locked in contracts with the highest occupancy guarantee requirements, with all quotas requiring between 95% and 100% occupancy.
4. Though crime has dropped by a third in the past decade, an occupancy requirement covering three for-profit prisons has forced taxpayers in Colorado to pay an additional $2 million.
5. Three Arizona for-profit prison contracts have a staggering 100% quota, even though a 2012 analysis from Tucson Citizen shows that the company’s per-day charge for each prisoner has increased an average of 13.9% over the life of the contracts.
6. A 20-year deal to privately operate the Lake Erie Correctional Institution in Ohio includes a 90% quota, and has contributed to cutting corners on safety, including overcrowding, areas without secure doors and an increase in crime both inside the prison and in the surrounding community.
http://www.weather.com/
6 shocking revelations about how private prisons make money
Private prison companies are striking deals that guarantee high prison occupancy rates
Imagine living in a country where prisons are private corporations that profit from keeping their beds stocked at, or near, capacity and the governing officials scramble to meet contractual “lockup quotas.” Imagine that taxpayers would have to pay for any empty beds should crime rates fall below that quota. Surprise! You already live there.
A new report from In the Public Interest (ITPI) revealed last week that private prison companies are striking deals with states that contain clauses guaranteeing high prison occupancy rates. The report, “Criminal: How Lockup Quotas and ‘Low-Crime Taxes’ Guarantee Profits for Private Prison Corporations,” documents the contracts exchanged between private prison companies and state and local governments that either guarantee prison occupancy rates (essentially creating inmate lockup quotas) or force taxpayers to pay for empty beds if the prison population decreases due to lower crime rates or other factors (essentially creating low-crime taxes).
Some of these contracts require 90 to 100 percent prison occupancy.
In a letter to 48 state governors in 2012, the largest for-profit private prison company in the US, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), offered to buy up and operate public state prisons. In exchange, states would have to sign a 20-year contract guaranteeing a 90 percent occupancy rate throughout the term.
While no state accepted CCA’s offer, a number of private prison companies have been inserting similar occupancy guarantee provisions into prison privatization contracts and requiring states to maintain high occupancy rates within their privately owned prisons. Three privately run prisons in Arizona have contracts that require 100 percent inmate occupancy, so the state is obligated to keep its prisons filled to capacity. Otherwise it has to pay the private company for any unused beds.
The report notes that contract clauses like this incentivize criminilization, and do nothing to promote rehabilitation, crime reduction or community building.
“[These contracts run] counter to many states’ public policy goals of reducing the prison population and increasing
efforts for inmate rehabilitation,” the report states. “When policymakers received the 2012 CCA letter, some worried the terms of CCA’s offer would encourage criminal justice officials to seek harsher sentences to maintain the occupancy rates required by a contract. Policy decisions should be based on creating and maintaining a just criminal justice system that protects the public interest, not ensuring corporate profits.”
In a press teleconference about the report, Reverend Michael McBride, director of Urban Strategies and Lifelines to Healing at PICO National Network said the real human impact of having lockup quotas was unjustifiable.
“It’s important for us to step back and look at this from a moral perspective; all people of any faith or no faith at all can claim it’s reprehensible to imprison someone for making money or financial motives,” he said. “It’s important to always remember every single person is a human being … even if they have done something we may find problematic or illegal. They are not profit incentives.”
Here are six of the most shocking facts about prison privatization and corporatization, from the report.
1. 65 percent of the private prison contracts ITPI received and analyzed included occupancy guarantees in the form of quotas or required payments for empty prison cells (a “low-crime tax”). These quotas and low-crime taxes put taxpayers on the hook for guaranteeing profits for private prison corporations.
2. Occupancy guarantee clauses in private prison contracts range between 80% and 100%, with 90% as the most frequent occupancy guarantee requirement.
3. Arizona, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Virginia are locked in contracts with the highest occupancy guarantee requirements, with all quotas requiring between 95% and 100% occupancy.
4. Though crime has dropped by a third in the past decade, an occupancy requirement covering three for-profit prisons has forced taxpayers in Colorado to pay an additional $2 million.
5. Three Arizona for-profit prison contracts have a staggering 100% quota, even though a 2012 analysis from Tucson Citizen shows that the company’s per-day charge for each prisoner has increased an average of 13.9% over the life of the contracts.
6. A 20-year deal to privately operate the Lake Erie Correctional Institution in Ohio includes a 90% quota, and has contributed to cutting corners on safety, including overcrowding, areas without secure doors and an increase in crime both inside the prison and in the surrounding community.
http://www.weather.com/
Yes. gardening is a great idea for prisoners but making prisoners pay for their necessities ? Seeing that it is mostly the poor that are in prison, including people who haven't been able to pay for things like driving tickets how are they supposed to pay ? Or is that the idea, keep the poor imprisoned and unable to get out, call it debtor's prisons because that's what they are.
As for Trump, the man inherited half a billion dollars,declared bankruptcy several times and has no idea of what it's like to be a person simply trying to eke out a living.
Try checking out this link about prison life by someone who spent a year there:
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/9/1/ex_politician_jeff_smith_what_my
As for Trump, the man inherited half a billion dollars,declared bankruptcy several times and has no idea of what it's like to be a person simply trying to eke out a living.
Try checking out this link about prison life by someone who spent a year there:
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/9/1/ex_politician_jeff_smith_what_my
Cal Dept of Correc & Rehab has camps for fire fighting inmates and a lot of the personnel fighting fires here wear orange fire gear. I have no problem with raising food for prison consumption and fighting fires for the division of forestry. Where it becomes a slippery slope is when privately run prisons start running 'prison industries'. It's a slippery slope where we could quickly end up like China and other countries that either openly or covertly use slave labor for economic advantage.
Life360:
You consider toilet paper and clothing optional 'luxuries'?
Life360:
You consider toilet paper and clothing optional 'luxuries'?
Lousiana Prison Complex Runs Self Sustaining Farm.
In 1997, National Geographic’s Oscar-nominated documentary “The Farm” explored the sprawling, 18,000 acre agricultural complex that is Angola prison in Louisiana, home to an inmate population of which 95% are serving life sentences.
Interestingly, since the original film took place, the prison has developed a mostly self-sustaining agricultural community where they raise millions of pounds of vegetables, hundreds of workhorses, and thousands of cattle. On June 16th, the filmmakers will debut “A Decade Behind Bars: Return to the Farm,” on National Geographic, revisiting Angola to examine the changes and innovations that have taken place at the prison which have led to a surprising 74 percent drop in acts of violence.
http://www.celsias.com/article/lousiana-prison-complex-runs-self-sustaining-farm/
In 1997, National Geographic’s Oscar-nominated documentary “The Farm” explored the sprawling, 18,000 acre agricultural complex that is Angola prison in Louisiana, home to an inmate population of which 95% are serving life sentences.
Interestingly, since the original film took place, the prison has developed a mostly self-sustaining agricultural community where they raise millions of pounds of vegetables, hundreds of workhorses, and thousands of cattle. On June 16th, the filmmakers will debut “A Decade Behind Bars: Return to the Farm,” on National Geographic, revisiting Angola to examine the changes and innovations that have taken place at the prison which have led to a surprising 74 percent drop in acts of violence.
http://www.celsias.com/article/lousiana-prison-complex-runs-self-sustaining-farm/
There certainly needs to be some changes to the prison system and I don't have a problem with non-violent prisoners being able to work and earn money to help pay their keep, but I don't see how they can charge people who have no money.
The idea of putting someone back in jail because they can't pay jail related charges is ridiculous... all they do is run up more charges; how much sense does that make?
The prison system should not be turned over to private, for profit companies.
The idea of putting someone back in jail because they can't pay jail related charges is ridiculous... all they do is run up more charges; how much sense does that make?
The prison system should not be turned over to private, for profit companies.
Its only for their cloths, toilet paper and other personal stuff.
Brilliant. I couldn't have thought of a faster way to eliminate 'for profit' prison corporations. Tell them they'll be paying their untrained staff, maintaining their facilities, and paying their stockholders from revenues they collect from people who have no money. We'll see nothing but dust and tail lights.
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