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What's your take/knowledge of the Progressive movement
I am not putting this question for any reason other than asking what the members here know or hear about the Progressive movement its both Democrat involved and Republican ..goes back to the 1900s..
PS The liberals have stopped calling themselves liberals they have been known as 'Progressives, 'but apparently they dont like that name now so the new Name Is 'Populists'
I never thought I would see a Christmas Bauble with the face of Mau on it on top of a WH Christmas tree..that was weird ...
Having the internet regurgitated to me is . . . tiring. By about the 6th paragraph, I'm looking for some input from the poster. I guess I am alone in that. But at least we could put where we are taking it from. I'm not trying to insult anyone.
Actually, I thought it quite good and informative. Good job flmage! Some of us do find it informative. Thanks
Definatly ...and cant you see the ideologue in the above post ...as in all the long ones posted by the same poster ..if it is indeed her and not.... allaboutmary lol
I think this should be renamed the copy and paste forum. LOL
It's very narrow minded to brand all progressives with tags like, "Conservative socialism" and "want to destroy the Constitution", it's like saying "all republicans are uneducated, bible thumpers". It is untrue. And to prove this point, one only needs to read the definition of progressive and look for the facts on progressives in past history. Not all progressives agree on the same issues or how to achieve them.
Mirriam-Webster Dictionary
Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive
Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1612
1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2 : of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3 : moving forward or onward : advancing
4 a : increasing in extent or severity b : increasing in rate as the base increases
5 often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of.
US history.com
The Progressive Movement was an effort to cure many of the ills of American society that had developed during the great spurt of industrial growth in the last quarter of the 19th century. The frontier had been tamed, great cities and businesses developed, and an overseas empire established, but not all citizens shared in the new wealth, prestige, and optimism.
Efforts to improve society were not new to the United States in the late 1800s. A major push for change, the First Reform Era, occurred in the years before the Civil War and included efforts of social activists to reform working conditions, and humanize the treatment of mentally ill people and prisoners.
Others removed themselves from society and attempted to establish utopian communities in which reforms were limited to their participants. The focal point of the early reform period was abolitionism, the drive to remove what in the eyes of many was the great moral wrong of slavery.
The second reform era began during Reconstruction and lasted until the American entry into World War I. The struggle for women's rights and the temperance movement were the initial issues addressed. A farm movement also emerged to compensate for the declining importance of rural areas in an increasingly urbanized America.
As part of the second reform period, Progressivism was rooted in the belief, certainly not shared by all, that man was capable of improving the lot of all within society. As such, it was a rejection of Social Darwinism, the position taken by many of the rich and powerful figures of the day.
Progressivism was also imbued with strong political overtones and rejected the church as the driving force for change. Specific goals included:
The desire to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the taming of bosses and political machines;
the effort to include more people more directly in the political process;
the conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.
The success of Progressivism owed much to publicity generated by the muckrakers, writers who detailed the horrors of poverty, urban slums, dangerous factory conditions, and child labor, among a host of other ills.
The successes were many, beginning with the Interstate Commerce Act (1887) and the Sherman Antitrust Act (1890). Progressives never spoke with one mind and differed sharply over the most effective means to deal with the ills generated by the trusts; some favored an activist approach to trust-busting, others preferred a regulatory approach.
A vocal minority supported socialism with government ownership of the means of production. Other Progressive reforms followed in the form of a conservation movement, railroad legislation, and food and drug laws.
The Progressive spirit also was evident in new amendments added to the Constitution, which provided for a new means to elect senators, protect society through prohibition and extend suffrage to women.
Urban problems were addressed by professional social workers who operated settlement houses as a means to protect and improve the prospects of the poor. However, efforts to place limitations on child labor were routinely thwarted by the courts. The needs of blacks and Native Americans were poorly served or served not at all — a major shortcoming of the Progressive Movement.
Progressive reforms were carried out not only on the national level, but in the states and municipalities of the country as well. Prominent governors devoted to change included Robert M. La Follette of Wisconsin and Hiram Johnson of California.
Such reforms as the direct primary, secret ballot, and the initiative, referendum and recall were effected. Local governments were strengthened by the widespread use of trained professionals, particularly with the city manager system replacing the all-too-frequently corrupt mayoral system
Mirriam-Webster Dictionary
Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive
Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1612
1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2 : of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3 : moving forward or onward : advancing
4 a : increasing in extent or severity b : increasing in rate as the base increases
5 often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of.
US history.com
The Progressive Movement was an effort to cure many of the ills of American society that had developed during the great spurt of industrial growth in the last quarter of the 19th century. The frontier had been tamed, great cities and businesses developed, and an overseas empire established, but not all citizens shared in the new wealth, prestige, and optimism.
Efforts to improve society were not new to the United States in the late 1800s. A major push for change, the First Reform Era, occurred in the years before the Civil War and included efforts of social activists to reform working conditions, and humanize the treatment of mentally ill people and prisoners.
Others removed themselves from society and attempted to establish utopian communities in which reforms were limited to their participants. The focal point of the early reform period was abolitionism, the drive to remove what in the eyes of many was the great moral wrong of slavery.
The second reform era began during Reconstruction and lasted until the American entry into World War I. The struggle for women's rights and the temperance movement were the initial issues addressed. A farm movement also emerged to compensate for the declining importance of rural areas in an increasingly urbanized America.
As part of the second reform period, Progressivism was rooted in the belief, certainly not shared by all, that man was capable of improving the lot of all within society. As such, it was a rejection of Social Darwinism, the position taken by many of the rich and powerful figures of the day.
Progressivism was also imbued with strong political overtones and rejected the church as the driving force for change. Specific goals included:
The desire to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the taming of bosses and political machines;
the effort to include more people more directly in the political process;
the conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.
The success of Progressivism owed much to publicity generated by the muckrakers, writers who detailed the horrors of poverty, urban slums, dangerous factory conditions, and child labor, among a host of other ills.
The successes were many, beginning with the Interstate Commerce Act (1887) and the Sherman Antitrust Act (1890). Progressives never spoke with one mind and differed sharply over the most effective means to deal with the ills generated by the trusts; some favored an activist approach to trust-busting, others preferred a regulatory approach.
A vocal minority supported socialism with government ownership of the means of production. Other Progressive reforms followed in the form of a conservation movement, railroad legislation, and food and drug laws.
The Progressive spirit also was evident in new amendments added to the Constitution, which provided for a new means to elect senators, protect society through prohibition and extend suffrage to women.
Urban problems were addressed by professional social workers who operated settlement houses as a means to protect and improve the prospects of the poor. However, efforts to place limitations on child labor were routinely thwarted by the courts. The needs of blacks and Native Americans were poorly served or served not at all — a major shortcoming of the Progressive Movement.
Progressive reforms were carried out not only on the national level, but in the states and municipalities of the country as well. Prominent governors devoted to change included Robert M. La Follette of Wisconsin and Hiram Johnson of California.
Such reforms as the direct primary, secret ballot, and the initiative, referendum and recall were effected. Local governments were strengthened by the widespread use of trained professionals, particularly with the city manager system replacing the all-too-frequently corrupt mayoral system
Do you know that Progressivism is really 'Conservative Socialism 'they detest the ideas behind the Declaration of Independance . they believe in moving beyond the Constitution,and want to destroy the Consititution,they want to centralise Authority (Government) google... Woodrow Wilson he was a Racist /Progressive he re-segregated the Military They changed the History books ,they recreated Laws,Harvard Dean of Law ,Roscoe Pound , in 1920 changed case law to 'legal realism' using courts as instruments to push th Progressive agenda .;No Rule of Law ' rule of Men ' I believe all this is happening again now I think this President and his administration are Conservative Socialists seeking to destroy the Constitution like Wilson and Roosevelt
You are right Butterfly I went to vist my daughter who lives in England ,a couple of years back she remarried a guy from Chile I was suprised to see him wearing a TShirt with the picture of Che Guavara on it, and my daughter said her husband thought Che was a hero....HERO I said,' he was a murderer of innocents ..she didnt believe me I said google for information about him... The truth...Mau tse Tung was called recently by a White House staff member 'Anita Dunn, has left the WH now and her husband took her place...she said Mau along with Mother Theresa was one of the "Philosophers 'she admired most ...!!!!! he killed 7 Million people we actually saw and her her say it on the TV yuck my mind boggles at times , are they so dumb they dont know who these people are ....
I don't understand the glorification of these tyrannical mass murderers, like chairman Mao and the likes of Che Guavera. Another criminal whose constantly being glorified, especially in the Mexican community, is Pancho Villa. My grandfather (on my father's side) rode with Pancho Villa, so it's neither bias nor racist when I say that Pancho Villa and his gang were nothing more than thieving, murdering rapists... and, they did it all in the name of freeing the peasantry from the stronghold of the upper class elite. Ironically, my mother's grandparents were part of that elitist upper class establishment.
Anyway, it's odd how the images of these low-life, counter-culture scumbag's sell products. I guess it's because they were all anti-establishment rebels... and maybe therein lies the mass appeal. I'm convinced that the masses, in general, are totally ignorant when it comes to historical facts. And, people don't put enough thought into who they choose as their heroes.
Anyway, it's odd how the images of these low-life, counter-culture scumbag's sell products. I guess it's because they were all anti-establishment rebels... and maybe therein lies the mass appeal. I'm convinced that the masses, in general, are totally ignorant when it comes to historical facts. And, people don't put enough thought into who they choose as their heroes.
Do you know that many have worn TShirts with Che Gevarra on them also Mau ..surely they must have learnt heard somewhre what these killers stood for ...and how many they did kill,and how left wing they all were ..writer ..George Bernard Shaw was a progressive ,some of the things he said in protection of Hitler are astounding
I really don't know a lot about it, but I have seen some of the history shown. I always get a sick feeling when I see what was done to people that they considered not worthy to live. If they couldn't contribute or contribute enough to society as they saw it, off to the gas chamber or what they decide is the way to die. Destroying people with a "humane death", is like they do in animal pounds. It puts the value of human life to nothing. If they thought you were not from their ideal breed of people, like the Jewish people, the result was how they tried to rid the world of them. They are "mad" as in "out of their minds", and put themself as god of their society.
The Documentary was very interesting I learned al lot of it in England at school but was good to get a refresher course ,there is so much misnoma's about Mau and Stalin and Che Gavarra ,Hitler it is good to get History in the correct perspective ..The part about Nazism and communism was true we all thought the Nazi's were right wing but seems their views were like communism..... .
Go to the foxnews ******* website. From the home page, type: "live free or die" into
the search box. Click over the " live free or die" title and you'll be able to view the 15 minute segment. It appears to be the first of future stories exposing the lies surrounding those who professed Progressive ideology. It's very interesting. This segment discusses Nazism and it ties with Communism and how both belief systems purported to rid society of it's problems... via extermination.
the search box. Click over the " live free or die" title and you'll be able to view the 15 minute segment. It appears to be the first of future stories exposing the lies surrounding those who professed Progressive ideology. It's very interesting. This segment discusses Nazism and it ties with Communism and how both belief systems purported to rid society of it's problems... via extermination.
Yes, please share what it was about & if there is a link that re-broadcasts it.
Thanks :-))
Thanks :-))
Did anyone watch this?
If anyone wants to know more about this movement I believe there is a Documentary on tomorrow at 5pm EST or 2pm Pacific time its on Fox News ,its about the English writer George Bernard Shaw and other elites who were progressives of the day....should be eye opening I am hoping to learn a few things ...
Thanks for the input butterfly I have heard it mentioned a lot in this administration and it does have connections back to Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson..sounds like both parties have members with the same beliefs, as this movement ...a lot of interesting connections ..
It's basically a political movement that promotes change from the ills of present day struggles and usually calls for economic, social and political reform. Theodore Roosevelt was considered to be a Progressive president. His cause was Conservation as he was very big on preserving our natural resources... even though he, himself, was also an avid hunter of wild game.
Anyway, there are many other causes that would fall under the Progressive ideology...
At the early part of the last century, it was child labor laws and women's suffrage. Throughout the 1960s, it was racial integration. Today, an good example of a progressive cause would be Environmentalism.
Anyway, there are many other causes that would fall under the Progressive ideology...
At the early part of the last century, it was child labor laws and women's suffrage. Throughout the 1960s, it was racial integration. Today, an good example of a progressive cause would be Environmentalism.
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