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i've been to a brothel back in malaysia, choosed a chinese national "pros". she told me it was her first day of work, but im not pretty sure whether it is or not, or whether have she been in this industry even back in her country.

i had an unprotected oral sex and protected vaginal intercourse " though im not too sure whether did the condom broke because after the intercouse it seems its still intact and the tip without any leakage or so..but im not too sure if there's a needle hole or so...

within less than 24 hours, i developed symptoms, pain while urinating and join aches, next 3 days i developed a blistter and 2 days later more came up on the shaft of the pennis. i went to a dermatologist, he told me i had herpes, i took medication for a week , acv 400 3 times a day for 5 days, and topical cream included. it went off roughly 3 weeks later. well its my primary outbreak i guess..at the 17th day i went for a full blood test, my HIV ELISA 1 & 2 came back negative, i did my herpes test on the 21st day after 1st symptoms appeared, tested for  igG type 1 & 2 but both came back negative.

i took the results to the dermatologist, he told me, base on the results, maybe after early medication, the virus aborted its infection.. how accurate it is??

besides what is the potential risk of me being infected by HIV?? as i wore a condom, the dertologist told me my herpes is 99.9% type 2 and its rare from the mouth to genital. so i most likely got it from her genitals. as i thought that i was wearing a condom i may got it from her mouth instaed..but the dermatologist told me kind of impossible..so how did i contracted the virus?? please enlight me....

and am i in the high risk of getting HIV as i do not know the status of the girl..

please help!!!!!!

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You had no risk and your condom had no holes or it would have been clearly obvious.The unprotected oral sex was zero risk also.You do not require any futher testing for hiv.Your safe.All the best.
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thx getitright,

but honestly, i do wonder how did i contracted my herpes when im using a condom, unless there is a little hole in it for the virus to enter me. as they say, the 1st lession is usually where the virus enters the body, which is situated near my pennis head.

so im really dead worried now for HIV as i guess ive taken the HIV elisa test too early..juz 17days post exposure...please enlight me

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Herpes is transmitted by skin to skin contact. So you can get it even with the use of a condom.

You had no HIV risk.
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thanks vance,

then do you think my HIV ELISA 1&2 test in pretty sure on the 17th day??

or i should go for another testing. as for now its been 46days from post exposure.

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What does no risk mean to you?
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because im currently living in malaysia, i have symptoms like sinus, prickly heat rash, dry lips for nearly 3 weeks now. i wonder does it relates back to acute hiv symptoms
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Your still not getting what was told to you. If you had no risk now can you have symptoms?

And no those have nothing to do with HIV symptoms.
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sorry but thanks
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hiv EIA 1 & 2 (52days) post exposure - negative

-is this results conclusive???

hsv 1 & 2 igG (52days) post exposure- negative
- but according to my dermatologist its a herpes type 2 lesion
-but now he says the virus aborted  because no antibody detected. is it possible???

should i go for any further testing???

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No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.

There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".

"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD

"I am sure you can find lots of people who believe that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK

"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK

in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?

"HIV is not spread by masturbation, through oral sex, through kissing or other casual contact." Dr. Hook

"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
"I would not say your risk ,if he had HIV is "slim to none"- that's too high.  I would say they are effectively zero.  How much of his ejaculate or other genital  secretions you may have swallowed makes no difference.  EWH "
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thx teak,

so your are trying to tell me that there isnt any further testing needed and i should be rest assured i am safe?? as my derma told me its 100% conclusive

has there been anybody who change their status from -ve to +ve after their testing of 7 weeks post expoure -ve??

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Reread all the replies you have been given.
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