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I have a question you want to ask. I would like to know the latest about the recent United States oral sex HIV research findings (receiving oral sex / give oral sex).
Thanks Nursegirl! I've tried and tried and have come up with studies but none mention the connection with CDC. I certainly may have read it already but would like to be sure. If Teak can help with a link, that would be helpfull.
Ps: Here is a recent reply I received regarding insertive oral sex from the "San Fransisco Aids Foundation". I hope by posting it will put some minds at ease!!!
"Thank you for contacting us. You can definitely be assured that you are not at risk for HIV from receiving oral sex."
California AIDS Hotline
1-800-FOR-AIDS
www.aidshotline.org
Contact-***@****
Teak, if you can provide a link it would be appreciated.
Ps: Here is a recent reply I received regarding insertive oral sex from the "San Fransisco Aids Foundation". I hope by posting it will put some minds at ease!!!
"Thank you for contacting us. You can definitely be assured that you are not at risk for HIV from receiving oral sex."
California AIDS Hotline
1-800-FOR-AIDS
www.aidshotline.org
Contact-***@****
Teak, if you can provide a link it would be appreciated.
I'd post it if I had it. A simple search should yield the info....it has been discussed here ad nauseum!!!
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So how about it Teak....Can you help us with a link for the CDC involved serodiscordant study that lasted 10 years with no infection by oral sex?
I'm sure many would be interested in reading it.
I'm sure many would be interested in reading it.
Thanks for your response and valuable opinion. I have read much info. on this subject and probably have read the above referenced study as well. Just to be clear, can you offer us a link for it? I'm sure most would find it very interesting reading. It would also help reduce much of the anxiety regarding oral sex on this forum. Ps: God certainly gave you TONS of patience when dealing with us hypocondriacs.
They are told the same as people on here are told. Why would there be a difference in the teaching based on age? If you had done more research and you taught with materials supplied from the CDC you would have seen where they were involved with the serodiscordant studies that lasted 10 years with no infection by oral sex.
I have seen that you teach at local colleges and high schools. How do answe the "oral sex" issue when dealing with the youth? How do the school administartors deal with that information as it may contradict the CDC? I was just wondering how you get around this issue....
"And just one sexual act dosent pose a threat.. "
ABSOLUTELY not true. While maybe not common, it HAS happened....where someone gets infected from only one incident of unprotected sex. Bottom line.....they just aren't risks ANYONE should be willing to take.
ABSOLUTELY not true. While maybe not common, it HAS happened....where someone gets infected from only one incident of unprotected sex. Bottom line.....they just aren't risks ANYONE should be willing to take.
No that does not make a difference even if someone had bleeding gums. The amount of blood that it would take to even give a chance of HIV transmission, you would not be getting oral sex from that person. No one is going to give oral sex with a mouth full of blood.
All good and find with regard to saliva in the mouth...but what about if blood is involved? Bleeding gums..etc. If you are recieving oral and the person has bleeding sores or gums...what then? Surely that is a different matter?
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First off you don't go by odds and when no risk is mentioned for oral sex it also means going down on a woman.
Hello All,
I am adding a question to this thread... Hope no one minds... I have read many posts from doctors in Medhelp that unprotected viginal sex with a HIV+ female, the ratio is also around 1:1000 for a male to get infected... And just one sexual act dosent pose a threat..
I would like to ask, if one unproteted viginal sexual intercorse between a HIV+ female and a male, is there a chance the male gets infected.. or if its the first time for a male for unprotected sex, he will not get infected..
could you please give an answer...
I am adding a question to this thread... Hope no one minds... I have read many posts from doctors in Medhelp that unprotected viginal sex with a HIV+ female, the ratio is also around 1:1000 for a male to get infected... And just one sexual act dosent pose a threat..
I would like to ask, if one unproteted viginal sexual intercorse between a HIV+ female and a male, is there a chance the male gets infected.. or if its the first time for a male for unprotected sex, he will not get infected..
could you please give an answer...
You have never read that there has ever been any verified docummened transmissions of HIV from oral sex. Why? Because it doesn't happen. Saliva is not infectious and has over a dozen different enzymes and proteins that inhibits HIV transmission. If you would read the Dr's Forum neither doctor in their 30 years of practice have ever seen anyone contract HIV from oral sex. You don't need testing from having oral sex and it wouldn't matter if one of the partners were HIV positive.
Yes, documented oral cases are mentioned at other sites. But if you read further into them (or the cases) they speak of the receiving person (person doing the swallowing) not the insertive person as being at risk/infected. As for the "no risk" issue.....I personnaly think the only way to "really" know for sure is to get tested. You can continue reading all you like (absorbing what you want and disgarding what you don't want to hear) but the bottom line is....the only real way to know is to get tested.
This same issue comes up OVER AND OVER in this forum (and I'm sure in other similar forums).
The CDC and doctors, medical professionals, etc have to be conservative. A doctor is very seldom EVER going to mutter the terms "always" or "never" when it comes to ANY medical condition/illness/disorder. WHY? Because they have a responsibility to remain open to all possibilites and not give out false "hopes' per se when it comes to diagnosis of medical illnesses. With HIV, that is even MORE so the case b/c we are talking about an STD, and people engaging in risky behavior, maybe even more so after getting information where they perceive a certain activity to be "safe". THAT is why you see the CDC and some physicians put a "theoretical" risk, with a number as close to zero as you can be on oral sex.
Now, lets look at the facts. First...in numerous studies of serodiscordant couples (where one is + and one is not)....there has never been a reported case of transmission, after unprotected REGULAR and ongoing oral sex practices between the couple. Secondly, there has never been a CONFIRMED case of HIV transmission from oral sex. Another problem is data collection. When you are talking about HIV...you are relying on the subjects to give accurate and honest information. It would be VERY easy for a newly Dxed HIV patient to insist that their only risk was oral sex, without revealing the true risk factor that led to infection. Therefore...out "there" in cyberspace, you have loads of misinformation that is confusing and misleading.
FINALLY, and most importantly...if oral sex was TRULY a risk...even a low risk as the CDC claims...there would be new cases of HIV resulting from oral all the time, right?! That is NOT the case!
A "theoretical" risk and a "real" risk are two totally different things. "Theoretically"....I could get struck by lightning TWICE, in a snow storm, while holding the ONLY winning power ball lottery ticket, after meeting the superstar of my dreams. RIGHT? COULD IT HAPPEN? Yes, maybe in some parallel universe! Is it LIKELY to happen? He** NOOOOO! "Theoretical" and "Likely" are two totally different things that a person MUST understand when discussing risks for HIV.
The two docs in the expert forum have combined DECADES of experience working with HIV. Neither of them have ever seen a case of HIV from oral sex. There is more factual information putting the "risk" into understandable terms. If a person wants to believe that oral sex carries a risk, then it is simple...that person needs to protect themselves while engaging in oral sex.
But, again.....agencies like the CDC have a responsibility to cover EVERY possible angle...even if it is ridiculously unreasonable. Think of the liability a doctor or the CDC would have if they said NO risk and someone ended up being the 1st person to ever contract the virus in that manner! WE on this forum do not have that same responsibility...we can share information that we have learned in our experiences with the disease.
Sooo...to wrap this long post up.....anything is "theoretically" possible...but is not "likely".
The CDC and doctors, medical professionals, etc have to be conservative. A doctor is very seldom EVER going to mutter the terms "always" or "never" when it comes to ANY medical condition/illness/disorder. WHY? Because they have a responsibility to remain open to all possibilites and not give out false "hopes' per se when it comes to diagnosis of medical illnesses. With HIV, that is even MORE so the case b/c we are talking about an STD, and people engaging in risky behavior, maybe even more so after getting information where they perceive a certain activity to be "safe". THAT is why you see the CDC and some physicians put a "theoretical" risk, with a number as close to zero as you can be on oral sex.
Now, lets look at the facts. First...in numerous studies of serodiscordant couples (where one is + and one is not)....there has never been a reported case of transmission, after unprotected REGULAR and ongoing oral sex practices between the couple. Secondly, there has never been a CONFIRMED case of HIV transmission from oral sex. Another problem is data collection. When you are talking about HIV...you are relying on the subjects to give accurate and honest information. It would be VERY easy for a newly Dxed HIV patient to insist that their only risk was oral sex, without revealing the true risk factor that led to infection. Therefore...out "there" in cyberspace, you have loads of misinformation that is confusing and misleading.
FINALLY, and most importantly...if oral sex was TRULY a risk...even a low risk as the CDC claims...there would be new cases of HIV resulting from oral all the time, right?! That is NOT the case!
A "theoretical" risk and a "real" risk are two totally different things. "Theoretically"....I could get struck by lightning TWICE, in a snow storm, while holding the ONLY winning power ball lottery ticket, after meeting the superstar of my dreams. RIGHT? COULD IT HAPPEN? Yes, maybe in some parallel universe! Is it LIKELY to happen? He** NOOOOO! "Theoretical" and "Likely" are two totally different things that a person MUST understand when discussing risks for HIV.
The two docs in the expert forum have combined DECADES of experience working with HIV. Neither of them have ever seen a case of HIV from oral sex. There is more factual information putting the "risk" into understandable terms. If a person wants to believe that oral sex carries a risk, then it is simple...that person needs to protect themselves while engaging in oral sex.
But, again.....agencies like the CDC have a responsibility to cover EVERY possible angle...even if it is ridiculously unreasonable. Think of the liability a doctor or the CDC would have if they said NO risk and someone ended up being the 1st person to ever contract the virus in that manner! WE on this forum do not have that same responsibility...we can share information that we have learned in our experiences with the disease.
Sooo...to wrap this long post up.....anything is "theoretically" possible...but is not "likely".
Your point is taken and I do agree with your numbers....and there are quite a few ways to show that the numbers are still a lot less... My point is....they are not ZERO!!
With regard to there not being any documented case...I cant argue against that...nor can I present any evidance to the contrary. What I will say though is that there are quite a number of sites out there on the topic of HIV and many of them indicate that there have been documented cases. So I dont know what to think really.
Again...Im just putting it out there....not saying anyone here is right or wrong.
J
With regard to there not being any documented case...I cant argue against that...nor can I present any evidance to the contrary. What I will say though is that there are quite a number of sites out there on the topic of HIV and many of them indicate that there have been documented cases. So I dont know what to think really.
Again...Im just putting it out there....not saying anyone here is right or wrong.
J
Yes, if you want to play the numbers game the above are thrown out there. But remember that these same odds are given considering that you are having oral sex with a partner that is "CONFIRMED" to be HIV positive. If you don't know your partners status then the odds would increase in your favor I would suppose. Let's say they double in your favor.....that's 1:40000, that's like receiving a ** "everyday" over the next 109.5 yrs.........Let's not forget to mention that there has never been a "documented" case for insertive oral sex in the history of HIV. The mouth and HIV just don't get along that well.
I asked a similar question and according to Teak and Lizzie the answer is ZERO for oral sex.
As a lay person with no medical training however...information on most other sites indicate that there is a 1 in 10000 chance if giving oral and a 1 in 20000 chance if recieving oral....this is assuming male to male interation.
While I agree that these numbers are quite small....it is difficult to see them as being ZERO!!
As a lay person with no medical training however...information on most other sites indicate that there is a 1 in 10000 chance if giving oral and a 1 in 20000 chance if recieving oral....this is assuming male to male interation.
While I agree that these numbers are quite small....it is difficult to see them as being ZERO!!
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