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Thyroid test, to believe it or not?
Hi everybody,
My little 4 1/2 year old daughter had some blood teststs done in July and another one in September. The reason for the test was an exsess body hair, legs, arms, back but none in the androgenic areas. The July Thyroid test results were TSH=1.9 ,FT4=13.4 ,FT3= 5.6 . The doc said all was OK. The second test in September came out as TSH=0.16 , FT4=13.6 , FT3=6 . We haven't see the doc yet.
It is my suspicion that somehow she is making a bit more FT3, just enough in exsess to alter the the body hair normal cycles of growth, regretion and rest.
The FT4 and FT3 do not look too much different but the TSH is way out of line on the second test. I would like to point out that as she is only 4 and a half, she is really expected to have higher TSH, maybe in the region of 2 to 3. She is not exactly a typical Hyper.., but I can say that she tolerates cold a lot better than her brother and night time the blanket is allways off.
From researching I got idea that the FT4/ FT3 should be around 2.5 or slightly more. Ideal should be 2.5 . Her's is, the first one 2.39 and the second 2.26 , indicating she is converting a bit too much or is she?
I agree that by just looking at the reference ranges you can't always say if one has problematic thyroid or TSH (pituitary). Everybody is different to extent and Thyroid hormone values could be at different spot for everyone, slight variation up or down within the ref range and we have a problem.
I would like to hear your opinion as I am desperately hoping to resolve the original symptom.
PS. My thyroid seems OK, but my birth family have history of thyroid problems, hyper and hypo.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
My little 4 1/2 year old daughter had some blood teststs done in July and another one in September. The reason for the test was an exsess body hair, legs, arms, back but none in the androgenic areas. The July Thyroid test results were TSH=1.9 ,FT4=13.4 ,FT3= 5.6 . The doc said all was OK. The second test in September came out as TSH=0.16 , FT4=13.6 , FT3=6 . We haven't see the doc yet.
It is my suspicion that somehow she is making a bit more FT3, just enough in exsess to alter the the body hair normal cycles of growth, regretion and rest.
The FT4 and FT3 do not look too much different but the TSH is way out of line on the second test. I would like to point out that as she is only 4 and a half, she is really expected to have higher TSH, maybe in the region of 2 to 3. She is not exactly a typical Hyper.., but I can say that she tolerates cold a lot better than her brother and night time the blanket is allways off.
From researching I got idea that the FT4/ FT3 should be around 2.5 or slightly more. Ideal should be 2.5 . Her's is, the first one 2.39 and the second 2.26 , indicating she is converting a bit too much or is she?
I agree that by just looking at the reference ranges you can't always say if one has problematic thyroid or TSH (pituitary). Everybody is different to extent and Thyroid hormone values could be at different spot for everyone, slight variation up or down within the ref range and we have a problem.
I would like to hear your opinion as I am desperately hoping to resolve the original symptom.
PS. My thyroid seems OK, but my birth family have history of thyroid problems, hyper and hypo.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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You could particularly hurt a 4 yr old such as your daughter, if not careful, and it's unlikely the above technique will do much, as I've seen the same instructions posted for other issues.
I guess this would have to be done by someone who know exactly what, where and with what force need to push. Surely, if you get a bit carried away you could hurt anybody. I will try that on the wife. Interesting post, thanks.
Some alternative, you may wish to try.
Thyroid point – press the fleshy bit on palm between the base of thumb and wrist on both hands. If you feel sharp pain when you press, then you have a possible thyroid problem.
If the pain is felt,then do the the following in a fun way, without mentioning thyroid.
Press the thyroid point several times, massage the whole hand, do clapping everyday(so the point gets pressed on both hands).
Opening and closing the fists tight, with the fingers landing on the thyroid point will help as well.
Turn the head left, right, up and down slowly(in a fun way), so the thyroid gland gets stimulated.
The child may prevent you touching the hand, if the pain is sharp, so handle with care.
When the thyroid point pain goes down, you may start to notice the difference, in the child.
October 24, 2011
Thyroid point – press the fleshy bit on palm between the base of thumb and wrist on both hands. If you feel sharp pain when you press, then you have a possible thyroid problem.
If the pain is felt,then do the the following in a fun way, without mentioning thyroid.
Press the thyroid point several times, massage the whole hand, do clapping everyday(so the point gets pressed on both hands).
Opening and closing the fists tight, with the fingers landing on the thyroid point will help as well.
Turn the head left, right, up and down slowly(in a fun way), so the thyroid gland gets stimulated.
The child may prevent you touching the hand, if the pain is sharp, so handle with care.
When the thyroid point pain goes down, you may start to notice the difference, in the child.
October 24, 2011
Sorry, I did not mean to repeat posting the link, but when I did it went way up the thread, here it is again:http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/8/15
Sorry, forgot to paste the link, here it is: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/8/15
Thanks "goolarra" and "Barb135" for your help so far.
"goolarra" thanks for the percentage explanation, I will keep an eye in the future on those levels.
My understanding so far was that the diagnostic machines the modern labs are using nowaday are more or less callibrated to give accurate mesurment of the actual value in given units of, lets say FT3, TSH and so on. However those diagnostic machines, like for example "Abbott ARCHITECT ci8200" do not come with a recomended ref ranges as they could be used in any part of the world where the iodine consumpsion could be different. It's down to the lab to either commission their own private statistical researsh or use one of the already completed ones by an independant bodys utilizing that particular diagnostic machine. This is why in my opinion two hospital within the same town using the same diagnostic machine could quote so much broader or narrower ref ranges. I have not read this or been told about it, it was just my assumption.
I am not a doctor, and you know those labs do not like to give info to outsiders. Anyhow, thanks very much for your help so far.
Below is a link of one such research. You can see how it stacks up to similar researched done by other diagnostic machines like "Advia Centaur"
"goolarra" thanks for the percentage explanation, I will keep an eye in the future on those levels.
My understanding so far was that the diagnostic machines the modern labs are using nowaday are more or less callibrated to give accurate mesurment of the actual value in given units of, lets say FT3, TSH and so on. However those diagnostic machines, like for example "Abbott ARCHITECT ci8200" do not come with a recomended ref ranges as they could be used in any part of the world where the iodine consumpsion could be different. It's down to the lab to either commission their own private statistical researsh or use one of the already completed ones by an independant bodys utilizing that particular diagnostic machine. This is why in my opinion two hospital within the same town using the same diagnostic machine could quote so much broader or narrower ref ranges. I have not read this or been told about it, it was just my assumption.
I am not a doctor, and you know those labs do not like to give info to outsiders. Anyhow, thanks very much for your help so far.
Below is a link of one such research. You can see how it stacks up to similar researched done by other diagnostic machines like "Advia Centaur"
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