suboxone withdrawel

[CarissaLou]

I have been on suboxone for 3 months--not entirely. not every day becuz i did use here and there. i used for two weeks straight then i took two ml of suboxone one day the nthe next day i took i ml and now it has been 50 hours since i took anything. i am narthatic-- no fuel and my legs are crampy but i have to say last year i got clean i used for 8 months straight no breaks at all--this time i took a week at a time of fand had very little habit. do u think i am throug hthe worst now. i cant sleep but i take serequil. i guess my question is what other things can i do to amke the next 30 days easier. i know that i am withdrawing from opaites not the suboxone. if i take suboxone off and on like 1 ml every two or three days is it going to interupt the proces of my body getting back to normal. i dont think so becuz my habit wasn't bad. please if anyone know abouthtis stuff please help me understand

[didittomyself2]

i agree with Missy about the wd's...i was taking subutex...and it does give one what i would call a "high"...gave me all day energy...and i was very talkative and social...anyway...i quit cold turkey from 2ml and BAM...it was bad...worse than wds from percs...its now over 3 weeks and i think i am just about back to myself except for my sleep patterns...so if taking sub...make sure you taper down to a crumb!  good luck.

[mr.lucky66]

Heroin is a much more violent withdrawl but it really doesn't last longer than kicking pills. You can do it if you really want to. all the best

[seeksolice]

Although there was some confusion about what you were doing, I think above all else listen to your body.

If ALL else fails, and you feel like you might relapse or the WD's are too much to bear, you can start back at square one with the Suboxone and take exactly as directed by the doctor. They generally start you off at a high dose and taper down as fast but as painless as possible.

You know, I am seeing the doctor on Tuesday and am going to request UA's. If you get support, like real medical support, face to face, it really helps alot and makes you feel like you can do it. Doctors are always pleased and more apt to help a proactive patient that is involved in their recovery.

So, if all else fails, use the suboxone AS DIRECTED and start as square one. Offer to take UA's and what not, so you and yoru doc keep the trust level where it should be. Take your vitamins, exercise, play with the cat/dog, etc.

Art therapy always works for me when I'm feeling bad. Good luck, and even though heroin isn't a common DOC here, it is very similar to opiate RX meds which is what many of us are addicted to.

[mr.lucky66]

Take the imodium. It's not a true opiate and is not mind altering and will help. I hope you stick and out and can get through without more sub which could bring it all back. all the best

[CarissaLou]

i would lvoe to just walk but i cant when i work. i sit at a desk from 8-4 mon thru fri. but i have my son that occupies my time. i ahve been staying at my parents to get some help thisweek and it was like asmall vaca. they live on theocean with a pool jacuzzi work out room and all good things thta have been helping. i have done it beforei know it willgo away but it is hard. i cant stop going the bathroom im wondering if i should takle immodiam ad i was told that it is an opid and helps. i know the anxiet y will go away but it just kind of sits with me while i am at work

[wannabefree330]

You need to distract yourself until this passes.  It will get easier!!  Go for a walk, watch a movie, get some exercise...something.  When you sit and think about how anxious you are it just makes it worse-or that's how it is for me.  It may take everything you have inside you right now, but get up, walk out the door and keep walking for a while.  Do it as much as you need to.  Stay strong

[CarissaLou]

so hard. the anxiety is unbearable. i mwodering whta ishould do to subside that feeling. it hurts

[mr.lucky66]

sub may help some but it's no miracle drugs Read Missy's post a few back. There are no miracle drugs for addiction just a lot of hard work, determination ans some drugs that may help at first. To get clean is one thing but to stay that way is another. ll best

[wannabefree330]

I agree w/nursegirl.  Although you think the sub is helping you the way you are taking it, it may actually be aggravating the process.  Like nursegirl said, take 0.5ml every day then in a week decrease to 1/4 ml then another week 1/4ml every other day and so on.  The way you are taking it now is confusing your brain.  It sticks around longer than opiates so even though you are going 48-50 hours at a time, this is when the drug is actually decreasing in your system and therefore you are just drawing it out longer.  a continuous dose is best then begin lowering the continuous dose for fewer side effects.  That or just stop taking it all together.  Try going 100 hours, if you make it that long, try for 200 and so on.  Whatever you decide to do, you are trying and that is awesome.  You have made some great choices so far to quit so keep it up and keep posting.

[CarissaLou]

thank you i appreciate the info. i mguna try to make it through this week and see what next week leads me too. my legs are not hurtingtoday they did yesterday cuz i went to the celtics parade and i walked everywhere assoon asi took a bath it felt great. today from sitting at a desk i have sever anxiety adn my eyes hurt a little. but over all i am ok. i am going to not take sub but if necessary to see whow i feel after 7-10 days then i will all together stop the suboxone.

[nursegirl6572]

I agree that the "getting clean" aspect is what is important either way.

However, sub is not meant to be taken as you are taking it...basically, it isn't as effective that way.  That it seems to be working for you is great...but I'm just asking you to consider that indeed the minimal symptoms you ARE experiencing are more likely due to the erratic dosing of the sub, vs the opiates.  Just a thought.

Not saying you should all of a sudden start taking it 4 times daily...but you MAY want to regulate the dose a bit...like try a low dose every other day....or an even lower dose ONCE a day, then start tapering fairly rapidly (like after a week).  That may be something to consider if you are still having a lot of "ups and downs" with the symptoms as you seem to be.

Best of luck!  Congrats to you for your success so far.

[Missy31]

Oh please it took almost 14 days for the WD from Sub to hit me and let me tell you it was bad! I have never felt that sick in me entire life! As soon as I took one again it took about 2 hours and I was back to feeling much better whatever you do do not stop it CT please it will hit you as soon as you know it and you will be sick sick sick. I was only on it for 2 months and I got I'm talking deathly ill so please don't make the same mistake I did.

[uphill7584]

That's awesome. And in some cases it is used in the way you did. Many inpatient detoxes use very small amounts of sub to, like you said, take the edge off. But you still take the brunt of the withdrawl. I took the longer road with a 6 month taper. I actually wish I would have gone your route and been off quicker, but with work I couldn't have any withdrawl symtoms. I guess the method depends on the person...but ultimately its just great that we are all getting clean.

[CarissaLou]

YES IT DOES FOR TAKE TIME T ORECOVER. I AM NOT RELALY RECOVERING FROM SUB IT IS THE OPAITES THE SUB IS JUST THERE TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BOOST TO AMEK IT THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK OR SO. I DINT GO COLD TURKEY THOUGH I DID TWP DAY OD 2ML SUB. I AM CLEAN NOW FOR 6 DAYS OFF OF OPAITES AND ONLY HAVE TOOK 2ML THE FIRS DAY WHEN I WAS HAVING WITHDRAWELS AND THEN 2ML ON WED IT IS NOW FRIDAY SO I AM NOT WITHDRAWING I AM FEELINGTHE EFFECTS OF USING DRUGS FOR APPROX 8 MONTHS. SUBOXONME IS A WONDERFUL DRUG IT HAS HELPED MANY PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND CARE FOR I JUST DONT WANT TO BE ON IT. I WANT TO LIVE LIFE FREE BUT I HAV ETO GET PAST THE TIREDNESS AND ACHY

[uphill7584]

It definitly does not take 20 days to recover from Suboxone if you are taking it correctly. I can't imagine someone abusing it and the going cold turkey...that it suppose could lead to trouble. But if you do it right it eliminates almost all feelings. I did a taper from 16mg to basically .5mg to nothing over the span of 6 months and felt literally no discomfort. Eventually I just forgot to take it more and more often and I was done. Done right....suboxone is a miracle.

[uphill7584]

Going on a two week binge and then using sub for essentially a day and half isn't going to matter much. That binge negates any kind of tapering that you did with the suboxone previously. And a 2 day taper isn't really a taper at all. The withdrawl feelings are to be expected......but you are 3-4 days clean and feeling better, which is awesome. I think the general consensus around here is that if you make it to 5-6 days you will really start to feel like yourself again. Good luck and don't slip. And if you do...take your docs advice on the taper. I think we all have learned that self-diagnosis and playing doctor only leads to trouble. ;)

[mr.lucky66]

It takes 20 days to feel norman after sub you say? What;s the point of taking something with a longer withdrawl than opiates. Also when you said you are done with heroin, be carefull. I said it and heard it many many times to no avail. all the best

[CarissaLou]

it is now friday and i have not took any sub since wednesday at 12 and that was only a small 2ml. i have SLIGHT ANXIETY AND IM TIRED BUT I BELIEVE THAT I AM GETTING BETTER I AM GOING TO GO AS FAR AS I CAN TILLI EVEN THINK OF TAKING ANOTHER ML. I HAVE BEEN WALKING AND DING HTE TREDMILL. I ALSO HAVEBEEN TKAING B6 AND B12 VITAMNS WHICH CAN GET ME ALITTLE RACY BUT I AM STILL TRUCKING

[CarissaLou]

than kyou for the info. i am not using any otherdrugs. i have been off of opiates for 6 days now. i took sub in withdrawels on the 2nd day but only 2 ml and the n1 ml the next the nwent 50something hours and felt exausted and emotionalliss so i took 2ml and now i havent took any sub in almost 48 hours. but very tired and a little anxiety. i know it takes atleast 20 days to feel normal. im counting doe ndoen the days but have really bad anxiety. so if i have to take a ml here and there to make it through month do u think it will interfere with the process. some have told me know.

[Twist1285]

You may be getting sick from using opiates one day, and then Suboxone the next day. The suboxone binds to the portion of your brain that accepts opiods much stronger than the opiods themselves, so what will happen when you take the Suboxone after taking an opiod it will make you sick. Think of it this way. Say you took 2 oxicontin 80's and you had all of that in your brain, and then you take a Suboxone....because the Suboxone binds so much stronger than the Oxi or any other opiod, it is going to blow off all of the other drug and replace it with the Suboxone which is not a full agonsit, it is a half agonist, making it not as "powerful" as oxicodone, or pretty much an otehr drug you are taking. So even if you felt sick befoer you still do have some of the drug in you, and when you take a Suboxone you will instantly go from having say 50% of what your body needs per day, to having 0% of what your body needs. This will leave you sick. If you were a very heavy user you would notice this much much worse, it happened to me, and that is what put me in the hospital. Within minutes of taking the Suboxone(because I did not wait long enough, you have to be in FULL w/d:shaking goosbumps, vomitting, anxiety the whole works) I was thrown into the worst sickness you can possibly imagine. So this could be what is making you sick, it is a horrible idea to use other drugs while taking Suboxone it is very dangerous, and it will make things worse. Why are you using the drugs still anyway? is it because you want to get "high" every now and again, because the suboxone will take away sickness, but not get you high, and if you are still desiring the high, then you may as well jsut use drugs, until you are actually ready to quit. Good Luck

[didittomyself2]

hi there..how much of the L-tyrosine do you take?  and do u take it more than once a day?  i noticed that it says to take it in the morning on an empty stomach...i am also taking the B6 with it and then the B12...after that settles a little i take the 5hpt and a daily with energy and calcium, magnesium, and zinc combo pill...
i have been clean for 27 days and i still dont have the energy back yet...but maybe im just thinking of the energy i had when on the percs or subs...and i will never have that kinda of energy...that is why i used...the energy was great and i actually accomplished things!  thanks for your help!

[worried878]

ur drug of choice is not one of the most common here but it is still a narcotic...and the withdrawls would be like a narcotic....a narcotic is a narcotic unless u r speaking of sub or meth...a bit different....dont feel that u have anything to hide cos u dont girl!   everything is ok here...ok to say how u feel and what u need...so u may have a mixture of ur drug of choice...which we will say is a high mg a day habit of a strong narcotic that u quit a few days ago and recently off sub as well.....

so u were on sub for 8 months(but used a bit of ur doc here and there during this time)...stopped sub and used a strong narcotic for 2 weeks..then a few days of sub...now 50 hours with nothing   right?

If this is not right...let us know...i dont think she needs to hear how indecisive she has been thus far...she is trying to be decisive now and needs our help

how do u feel?...lethargy can be helped alot with the supps avis mentioned

[avisg]

I would try something like 5 hpt (good for mood and sleep ) and l'tyrosine (it is an amnio acid great for energy).before going on antidepressants sometimes .I think natural works better . A little walk on the tredmill along with these supplements and in a week or two I think you would feel much better .It is worth a try it really did work for me .In 14 days I felt better then I ever had.

[CarissaLou]

thank you for your advice i need it. i have gone through ti quite a few times but the last time was memorable. ahahah do u think maybe an antidepressant may help? i started tkaing two days ago amulti vitamn, today i took b6 and b12 with a baanana the potassuim is good. and i ahve been eating protein the past fewnights. L TYROSINE I HAVE HEARD ALOT ABOUT WHTA IS IT . i did the tredmill last night even though i didnt want to. so you can see that i can do it withoutthe subox but hoenstly i would rather not fee lmiserable the whole month of the recovery process. i am goingto to do the tredmill everyday so maybe by next week i =dont even have to take a ml of sub here nadthermy energy will be built by me working out. right?