Good advise fish,
Anyone thinking of the suboxe route should do a lot of research and talk to people that have gone that route before starting. There is a great person on this site (working right now) FLaddict who know her stuff about Sub and so much more....Best wishes to all.
Hi this is pre-written for new people… hope this helps:
It’s good to come clean with your doc concerning your desire to get off. Ask him to prescribe clonidine, (not klonopin), and ativan. These will help with sleep, RLS and anxiety. These are best to try before formal detox and drugs like Suboxone. I had to do formal detox because I tried everything else, including alcohol to get off and nothing worked for me. Keep in mind that when you try… make it a good one! Have some time off of work if you can… maybe a four day weekend or more. Make the last day of work without any drugs, because the first day is usually the easiest. Try your best to get clean and stay clean because the other methods require more potent drugs and you have to come off of those. I am still on Suboxone and am a little worried about that… It does work well but the jury is out on, “At what Cost.” I also learned while in detox, that the mind can psychosomatically create pain to “get’ the drug. Another was that healing while using opiates greatly diminishes. I would have sores on my hands that would take way too long to heal.
Best
Fish
I have to say this from the bottom of my heart, Please do not keep playing around with these drugs they are very powerful ….. kinda like heroin in a pill and just as hard to get off once you attain the, "addicted" status.
You can also go to suboxone.com to learn about that.
Both forums are good. Only a person with no insight would say one was better than the other. I hope you can enjoy both of them. You will get help to questions and hopefully some advice and suggestions to help you kick your addiction. This forum is the one that stood by me through w/d and I am 25 days clean and feeling better.
Welcome and I hope you enjoy your stay......Take Care.....LS
Hey sorry it took me a while to gett back to you had to go to the Dr. and do some other erreands. I am feeling everything that you described, physically the worst usually only lasts 4-6 days (hte worst usually being day 3-4). Then ther will come the emotional, which are a whole different story. I am only here for a few min. now as my laptop has been sent to see a different kind of Dr......LOL and I can't sit at the desktop too long. I will check back on you though, hang in there it's worth it.
Peace,
Gypsy
day 3 also. what do YOU feel? pain, sleepless, tingly? how long does this last? be strong with me...
I like you am a pain sufferer, I have chronic pain brought on by another debilitating illness and a serious accident. I too became chemically dependent an pain meds and felt my mind and being able to feel my feelings would be worth trying to live with the pain. I recently underwent two surgeries (my last surgery was last Wednesday) and after more than l00 day w/o any pain meds I have found myself back at day three. So, I know where you are, if you ever need to just reach out we will be here for you. This is the place to begin the healing and you will always be welcome.
We do the same thing on the other forum. There is no difference other than the light time we have.
Peace,
Tim
that was beautiful. i have been to many an AA meeting (open meetings) with family members and i have been to many anniversaries so i know how the support feature works.
i do take it very seriously. i am struggling with where i stand with it all but if and when i do decide to stop using i want to be taken seriously and i want to deal with it as if my life depends on it because essentially it does.
thanks everyone for helping me. i'll lurk and post from time to time and definitely talk with my dr. i havementioned it before and he said only i could decide at which side of the spectrum i was at and that he would help me with whatever i decided.
I truly think that the statement "Just the facts Ma'am", totally misrepresents this forum and the people that are fighting for their lives on it. The people of this forum are very compassionate and caring people as you will see by reading their posts. We talk about deeply rooted emotions here and we hold our hand out to anyone.No this forum (as opposed to the AC) do not play games. We are here for recovery, that is a serious subject that can get lost in the flooding of day to day chit-chat. There is a great more than "Just the Facts Ma'am" that goes on on this forum. In the simplest terms it can be the first step or the final step to "Recovery", but on a broader spectrum it's from where the healing begins all the way through those "heart wrenching" moments, to where you see the light at the end of the tunnel (the brightest moments for most of us) when we come out of that tunnel. When we do, although we have made a huge accomplishment, we know there is a long road ahead waiting for us. That is what this forum is for, to help, support, care for, and give guidance. Whether it be to give or receive, we know that we are among those who have been before us and stand beside us as we fight for our lives against a debilitating disease.
Peace,
Gypsy
The other forum was created because jokes, poems, chitchat were not appreciated on this Addiction Forum. We deal with addiction on the other forum too! We all have much experience in addiction, we all are addicts. The difference is our "style" and approach to recovery. I think any intelligent person can easily look up to the top of the page and see the link for the other forum. The reason people come to this forum, they feel more comfortable and are supported in a different way. We don't judge here and when someone falls, we pick them up. We are just not strictly "Just the Facts Ma'm" type of forum. We can express ourselves in any way that we desire.
Tim
WOW!! You are in a different boat than I've ever been. I also only used drugs for the high, the escape of life and all it brings.
If you are in continuing pain YOU need to weigh the pro's and con's, and honestly look at is the pain as bad as you think or like you said is it also in your mind.
I'm sure you have pain from the accident but since you've been on the regiment of med's what's still there and what might not be there anymore.
for myself a lot is the fear of what will happen if I stop.
Talk to your doctor about what your fears and wants are, maybe they can try a small cut back to see how your body reacts. because addict or dependent you will have "discomfort" w/d's for the lenght of time you've been taking them.
fill us in on the details
It almost sounds like you take them as prescribed is the reason you wonder about being addicted because it gallops in your family? If it is maybe the best way to find out is go as long as you can without and honestly look at why you want to take the med's is it because I feel down depressed sick?? Or is it because I am in so much pain I can not function? Sometimes taking that time to check yourself will provide the answer that you are seeking. It is hard sometimes to separate the two, and if you find that you are taking them because you are in unbearable pain don't beat yourself up and take your husband to the doctors with you so he can understand what is going on with your pain for better or worse, sickness and health..a-wakan
The only way to see if the pain is real is to go off the meds for a while and see what happens. I found that 90 percent of my pain was my mind telling me I was in pain so I'd feed it the opiates. Some people have legit pain that needs to be managed, and is done so successfully with pain meds. Why not discuss your reservations with your doc? Your doctor should be receptive to your attempt to try pain management without opiates. If it's too much to take, then you can always go back on them. There's no shame in taking pain meds for legit chronic pain. The problem comes from taking them for the high, or taking more than prescribed.
I only take 1 10 mg perc every 4 hours religiously or if i don't have those i take 2 7.5 mg vicodins. i never run out and i get them legitimately. i will not take more than that even if i am in alot of pain because i didn't want to become an addict (it gallops in my family) but i guess there is a difference between being dependent and being addicted? i honestly don't know what to do. i am in too much pain without them but after reading some stuff on here and other places i'm thinking maybe i think i am in more pain then i actually am? i'm confused. i don't know what to do but i know i don't want to have to take them and i know i don't want to be in pain either.
Are you currently on the meds now? If you are in that much pain, then maybe now isn't the best time to start as replase from pain and w/d is inevitbale. I dont mean that to be mean, I just can tell that you really want to get off the meds, and I know you can do it, its just that w/d is hard enough. So to have all that pain, it will be so much harder. I took the pills for recreation, so I can't imagine coming off and also having actualy pain with my w/d...ugh...Fill me in a little more...and I will help you any way I can...Hang in there..
Lisa
Welcome... we have days like this... some people have nothing better to do I guess.. As a long time member here.. I apologize..
What can we do for ya??
SORRY!!! I went and checked back and it was THIS forum I got the feedback from so thank you to all that replied!!!!
Hello, I'm new too. Also checking both sites. and yes, it is a little scary comming here for help and feeling the tense feelings between people. It does seem people are willing to help and give advise that can help or at least make you think about things
I posted on both and got more insight from the Addiction Community, I got a number of posts from there and only one from here but it could have been a slow day. anyway about your post.........
Are you still in pain?
Have you talked to your Doc about your options?
The community forum was established to keep the everyday chit-chat (things like, hey so-and-so, I wanted to say hello) off of this board and let this board be more for addiction discussions.
If you want to talk about your addiction, this is the board. If you wanted to ask someone how their cat is doing, the other board is more appropriate.
thank you for answering. i have to admit that i'm a little scared to get involved here. what's with the arguing? do you know eacah other that well? i don't want to step on anyone's toes.
maybe i'll try the community forum.
You are more than welcome at either one! Cathy p.s. I go to both as I've gotten to know some of the people.