Pregnant and a heroin addict...help.

[imsoblonde]

I am 5 months pregnant. I also have a massive heroin addiction. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what i hav done to my daughter in the long and short run. And if i take suboxen  and get off this **** if they could still take her away from me. i found out i was pregnant back in november and i was clean...i relapsed during my first trimester and got clean again (went thru the dope sick and everything) now i have been using again for about 8 weeks and i am so terrified to tell my doctor and risk the consequences. please kno that i love my daughter very much and i never wanted to hurt  her so please dont think im a bad person. please. just someone let me kno what i have done to her...anyone. thank you.

[Michelle_Shawn]

i understand when people get pregnant who are active but to be clean and relapse while pregnant is a different story. suboxone is dangerous to take while pregnant. subutex is possible although not studied as much as methadone. Methadone is typically the preferred method. any way you are harming your child.....your baby will be taken away if you dont do anything about it. so you may be terrified about the consequences but you "claim" to love your daughter, get over yourself and try and do the right thing for her. you will never know the damage already done.......

[cattalina]

You need to be honest with your OB. Don't be afraid, they can't put you in jail right now or anything like tha,t and they will help you. Suboxone and Subutex are pregnancy category C drugs meaning there hasn't been any research done to know what effects they will have on an unborn baby. Do not take either one. You have to contact your doctor, and you need to do it tomorrow. The longer you do what you're doing the more risk there is to your baby. It is possible that if you continue lying that there will be heavy consequences at some point. I know it varies on a state-to-state basis but if your baby is born dopesick in withdrawals and you have NOT told your doctors... you are indeed risking that the state take her from you as well as possibly jail time. Please call your doctor tomorrow.

[howmanyarethereofus]

Although its scary to tell your doctor the relief of sharing your pain can help a great deal.  Get it out and get help -for your baby, for you.  Noone is here to judge you - noone. None of us asked to be addicts and until you are in the shoes you can't judge.  Your baby will be fine if you get help now.

[cathy5841]

YOU HAVE TO TELL YOUR DR.  the health and possibly the life of your unborn daughter is at risk....i wish you and the baby the best...please keep posting

[faz84]

Hi there,
            I just want you to know my thoughts are with you, i was addicted to morphine for a loong time and now codeine.  I know you take to feel normal and not to hurt your daughter.  The damage you may incur to your daughter may be liver and kidney failure , lpoor lung development , your baby may be born addicted also and your dose can even be fatal to her.  Im not trying to scare you and believe me i know how hard it is to stop, if i were you i would probably not want to tell the doc for the reasons you dont.  I say this to any addict and do this myself and maybe you could even try, i know it sounds easier than it is but work out your heroin intake each day and begin to lower it by a small amount daily , you will then be comfortable on a very low dose and if you relapse and take a high dose you will be pig sick.  Keep a diary of your doses and just lower a little each day you can even do it daily with me if you want as im lowering my doses daily. its hard for 2-4 days then you get used to it. you will get NO withdrawals if you stick to it.  PLEASE DONT COLD TURKEY AS THIS CAN DAMAGE YOUR LITTLE GIRL AND PROVE FATAL.  I know you have the best intentions to be a good mum and i hope your little girl and you are fine.  When you get your heroin tmrw lower the dose slightly and keep going there will be no stopping you babexxxxx
ill be on here at 10-12am tmrw if you want to chat, im also a nurse , a nurse with a drug habbit , so can give u advice if you need it
ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD BABE
JEM XX

[liscamdave]

Are you seriously recommending this girl take Methadone???? Are you kidding me? First off, suboxone is safe while pregnant. There are no tests either way to prove how harmful it can be. A dr will put a pregnant woman on Subutex then wean her after the baby is born. WHy on earth would you talk to someone like that? This girl came here for advice and you tell her that she doesn't love her baby? You should re-evaluate how you speak to the members here. I'm sorry, but I am appalled by what you wrote to this girl. I would be appalled at any of our members if they spoke to someone who came here for help that way.

[liscamdave]

Cattalina is right, I retract what I said, Suboxone isn't necessarily safe, there are no facts to prove whether its safe or not. I do know that a dr will put someone on subutex though, That has been proven to be ok for a baby.

[HACIMROXY]

yeah i have heard subutex is safe while preg. i was at a dr office once and this girl was like 8 months prego and her dr had her on that.....

if u are asking the effects of taking H while preg, well, it isnt great. of course ur daughter could be born with addiction to H. U gotta stop this.  Just stop it.

I am not trying to scare u but i swear to u i know someone personally who admitted to their dr they were a pill addict while preg and the cops were there waiting along with CS when the baby came out.  now, is that gonna happen to you? I have no idea. Perhaps different states have different rules.  

[HACIMROXY]

PS:  The friend I am referring to.......was doing oxy's and H while pregnant and the baby was born with horrible horrible stomach problems. His intestines were on the outside of his body. He lived in NICU for like 2 months with IV's outta his poor little head.  BY the time he was 3 months old, he had about 11 surgeries.

The baby was taken from her when the baby was 5 months old.  This pc of garbage (the mom i mean) was given chances after chances and she didnt go to her court date for her rights to stay his mom because....she had "breast augmentation surgery that day"  yeah.  so, honestly this baby was better off adopted out. You can't fight for your kid and show up in court becasue u gotta get your body enhanced. Please.

[HACIMROXY]

How much H are u doing a day?

[LoandTansMom24]

Hi. Listen, I've never been on H, but I have heard its really hard to stop. I had been/still am on suboxone and I've actually given birth to not one, but 2 healthy babies! Maybe it was just luck, I don't know, but I do know that my doc was prescribing it to me and neither my son or my daughter had any w/ds from the suboxone. Good luck to you and your little girl!!

[Michelle_Shawn]

im sorry you feel appalled but this is a child we are taking about. an unborn baby with noone to protect it but its mother. so im sorry to me even as an addict i find it appalling to pick up while pregnant and be so concerned about yourself to be unwilling to do the right thing. recovery is possible. chosing to use is fine but when you make that choice to have a child you owe it to that baby for nine months to stay sober. and im nnot recommeding she use methadone i am saying all the detox medications are harmful and your baby will be born addicted. so you know what sometimes my help advice is to tell it like it is. she was sober and chose to pickup. there is no sugar coating that reality.

[Michelle_Shawn]

and the reason i even mentioned methoadone is because although a doctor will put you on subutex while pregnant it is still unknown whether or not it is safe.  As cattalina said that is why it is a category c. and if you think there is some great difference between methadone and subutex, i can promise you, besides stigma, there is not.

[theeagle]

There is actually a great deal of pharmocological difference between methadone and suboxone...........too much so to go into detail here right now.... not even close to the same animal.

[Michelle_Shawn]

im just saying, as someone who has used both, the addiction and the detox are essentially the same, there is no miraculous pill to get you sober

[outotown]

Whatever you do stop using H weather c/t or with help of a Dr Please think of what you are doing and I know what ir is to be an addict and how hard it is. The reason I chose to get clean was the way my kids felt towards me. I could not stand that

[Cheerleadermom]

You know how hard it is to come off the stuff, im an addict too only to nicotine, thank God but that poor baby is going to be born an addict, the poor baby going through withdrawls................ Thats no way to come into this F'up world

[mtgoat911]

if you come back send me an email, i know several options ranging from detox centers to long term tx centers for pregnant or addicted mothers with children under 5 yrs of age

[liscamdave]

No, there is no miraculous pill to get anyone sober. My point is this girl came to this site for help. Not to be told she doesn't love her child. While I agree with you about the baby having no one to protect her but her mother, I still don't think the way you approached her was right. Yes, you absolutely have a point. I just think alot of members here tend to jump on the pregnant addict. I didn't read above that she was clean and picked up again. But, in the same aspect, she was and will always be an addict. Whether or not you are pregnant while using or start back up again after finding out, pregnancy doesn't take away your addiction. You still have to do the necessary things to get yourself help. I am not at all condoning this girl using. She needs severe help. She needs a drs advice. She has said above that she cares for this baby, so lets give her a chance to go get the help she needs to do that. Sometimes, this tough love thing can drive someone back to using full swing. Maybe if we encourage this girl to get help to potentially save this little baby from any more harm, then we have done something right. That is all I am saying. I agree that you have some points. I just don't like seeing how some members lash out at new members. She came for help,. so lets give it to her.

[mtgoat911]

i am so sadden to see that some people have shown so little compassion for this newcomer, after all havent we all taken drugs on days when we wanted to remain clean?
getting pregnant does not mean that the disease of addiction will automatically be lifted, i bet if all of us were a little less reactive this girl may have come back! i know of several tx centers that take in pregnant herion addicts and after they complete tx the center helps them with housing...........i hate to break to to you, but doing drugs when you have kids is not that much different than doing drugs when you are pregnant! both can have profound changes physically and emotionally on your child, so some of us need to get down off that high horse and look at addiciton as a disease, it is not a moral dilima, and if you think it is, take some classes
imsoblond if you are lurking please note that there are options for you, you have a chance to be a great parent and get rid of the guilt you are feeling, suboxone and methadone are not the only option for you, there are great places all over the country that will help you, the people who work in the centers have been through exactly what you are going through, no one will turn you away!!!

[liscamdave]

My point exactly...that is exactly what I meant...thank you.................

[chanandalerbong1]

i totally agree wih you guys. kristen, my wife worked oin a center that helps pregnant addicts. and it is in fact HARDER to get clean while pregnant because of the drastic changes in the womans body can actually make them crave MORE than while sober. where she worked they offered methadone, subutex, AND suboxone as the SAFEST options to detox during pregnancy. seriously- i just posted to someone about being careful about what we all say on these forums because a lot of the people that come here have little hope and are on the edge and can we not give credit to this poor girl for reaching out for help? of course she is scared! its scary during recovery for everyone let alone when you are pregnant and there is a young life involved! i mean come on, a taste of reality? im pretty sure this girl has all the reality she can take right now without some stranger coming along being nasty and judging her. i am incredibly appauled how someone on THIS forum can judge anyone at all- we have all done some pretty terrible things while using and no one elses actions are any more or anyless shocking. this is not a moral issue it is a medical one and imsoblonde if you are on here at all there ARE people here who can help. please reach out. we are here...

-Mason.  

[limara]

hey im limara 23 from scotland i was on heroin when i had my son, u nd to tell ur doc n get on methadone it will be much less harmful to ur child. my sons perfect n thats what i done.

[mtgoat911]

well, i am sorry to be so in your face about this, i am working on being kinder on the forum and in the my day to day life
i have put alot of thought into the disease concept because i felt like a piece of **** for so long, i was so guilty that i had an addiction problem, but then my sponsor set me down and said, you have a disease, you are not responsible for having it, but you are responsible for treating it, other people that have other illnesses are not treated different when they get pregnant, just addicts, for example if this girl would have come here saying, i take meds for bi-polar that are known to cause birth defects but if i quit taking them i end up very sick, would we treat that mom different? well this mom and others who have come here for help are saying i take herion or whatever for my addiction and when i quit taking it i am very sick,
so much disrimination when it comes to addicts, even at medhelp when i post on other forums i notice some people will not answer my question because i am a memeber here, no one needs the cold shoulder no matter if their pregnant, nursing, or have been in prison for 20yrs! accept it or not, some fancy professional who is popping pills to get through the day has the same disease as a pregnant teen herion addict but for some reason in the world we live in the professional will be treated better by peers than the pregnant herion addict..........so stupid!!!!!!!!!

[liscamdave]

What saddens me most about this subject and many others, these people who are lashed out upon don't come back. Now this girl is gone and who knows where or what she is doing. Its a shame. I remember when I came here two years ago, I was scared to death and needed help and I got it. No questions asked. Now, had I come here and been talked to like this girl was talked to, I would have left and never come back.  

[Whyme1116]

We all come here for the same reason.....hope. Hope can make a huge difference in recovery. We all know what it is like to be addicted, and crave.....why would being pregnant make any difference in being able to recover or fight those cravings. to imsoblonde....you will be okay, and you came to the right place to find hope so that you can get through this. I think you should talk to your doctor...be honest. I also think you should try your best not to become stressed out. Stress can be worst than addiction during pregnancy. Once you become homest with your doctor, you will be able to relax because I am sure he/she will be able to come up with a solution to make sure you have the safest pregnancy possible. Nothing will happen to you.....noone will take your child. Ignore the ignorant comments, there are good people on here, who will take time to help you, and answer your questions without judging. You will be okay. Talk to your doctor. Good luck.

[chanandalerbong1]

she is gone isnt she? ive been worrying about this girl all day. i wouldnt have come back either after the response she got... :( i really hope and pray she for some reason comes back so we can help her... or at the very least she got help elsewhere...

[imsoblonde]

i am back. im sorry but after reading what that woman said about me pretty much being the biggest peice  of **** on the planet i cried for about 2 hours. i would appreciate if u plan on talking ****..i honestly dont care if u think it would help me...please just walk away. i cant handle i rite now. i never planned on relapsing. i never wanted it i wasnt even craving it. i was stupid and put myself in a situation where it was in front of me and it was all down hill from there. i appreciate what a lot of people have said even though the answers are sometimes mixed. today was my last day using. i know uve heard addicts say that a billion times but ive already gone to the doctor and refilled my suboxone meds. i realize suboxone is class c but i think its better than heroin. tomorrow is going to b the hardest day in my enitre life and i am scared out of my mind. i love m daughter. please know that i love my daughter,, when i was a kid i used to walk around with a pillow under my shirt because i wanted to be a mom. now i hav that chance and i have ****** it all up. one comment shoke me to the bone about her being born with her intestines on the outside of her body. pleas i kno none of u know me if you pray, please pray for my daughter. please pray for her to b healthy so she can hav a normal life. i am not meant to be her mother but i am and i will love this child with all my heart and soul. i cant wait to hold her and to tell her im sorry in person. i will never get to make up for what ive done, nothing will ever make up for it. im sorry i have to go this is all a little much.

[bluespence]

yeah this forum can be a bit overwhelming, especially when you are shunned for doing the exact samething that many people have done on this forum. Drugs and addiction are so tough and so strong and so hard to quit...but you can do this and I believe in you! If you need to talk feel free to send me a private message...everything will be okay, just start praying and please tell your doctor too!!!   Okay....

[10356]

Hey imsoblonde.. I'm so sorry to hear the pain and worry in your words.. You are doing the right thing by your baby now.. this is what is important now.. You will get through tomorrow as you only have to feel a lil wd.. although no experience with sub myself.. I read it works pretty fast and maybe a lil time for adjustment dose... this will be far safer for the baby as we do not always know what heroin is cut with.. i can say When I was preg. with my daughter I did use.. she was not born addicted.. I understand very much the disease and lure of heroin addiction... I'm so sorry that you have been scared so bad.. my daughter is healthy. intelligent and giving she is 34.. your Dr. will order a ultra sound that should confirm all is alright with the baby physically.. please I know your worried by as you settle into the sub be kind and loving to yourself.. loose the friends that can lay it out for you.. Take care of you.. find meeting to attend.. make the sub program work for you as it was designed.. work on yourself.. why you use.. so you can raise your baby in a healthy manner.. I really will say a prayer and as alarming as it sounds many have gone on to have healthy children.. remember stick to the program ok.. and be good to yourself and your baby.. warmly lesa

[philster]

I'm praying for you two. Find a doctor who is kind and whom you can trust. BE CAREFUL ! Then ask him/her if you can trust him? Be open. We have all made bad choices. God will forgive through Jesus if you ask. He will also heal you(baby to). You can do this. Be strong. Being hard on yourself now will only stress you more. Some at this forum can be a little hard at times but their hearts are in the right spot. Grace

[chanandalerbong1]

i am SO glad to see you came back. listen...pm me. i can get you REAL and FREE help... i think at the point youre in its really important to go in patient. i know most cant afford it but there are a ton of places in every state that welcme pregnant or new mothers with open arms no matter what you can or cannot afford. getting on sub is a good choice. the only thing im worried about is that the withdrawal you have to experience abour 15-24 hours before starting the suboxone couple send you into delivery. i think thats why methadone is prefere so far even thoughi think methadone is the devil- but in some scenerios, such as yours,  it may proove necessary. does you o.b./g.y.n. know about your plan or your situation because even on sub they NEED to know... i know you love your baby which is why i dont want to have either you OR the baby to be harmed and if you dont tell the doctor they will find out on their own and thats when cps gets involved and i definitely dont want that happening to you. for support there are many many many people here that will help you through this, some who have been RIGHT where you are and some who have been in similar situations... well even those who havent will be here for you. please tell your doctor if you havent already and if for the rest of your pregnancy and during the birth you would rather be in a facility that deals with and understands addiction just pm me and ill give you the info. it can be a great option and probably the safest. no matter what you decide if you need ANYTHING at all i am a small message away.... good luck and i will keep you and your daughter in my thoughts and prayers. oh and just a random question...have you picked a name yet? just look forward to the great SOBER life you will have with her.... good luck...

-Mason.

[nick30]

please ignore(as best as you can)things that people have said which are nasty or harmful.
but something Mason said I want to reiterate:
did you get sub through a dr and does that dr know you are pregnant?
if he doesn't know, then the sub could be dangerous.
that is my concern.
other than that, i just wish you well and hope you and your baby are safe and well.

Nick

[nursegirl6572]

Are you getting the Sub from your OB?  Just be sure that your care (and baby's) is all managed by your OB...and that you have full trust and confidence in him/her.  There are OB's that are addiction specialists.  If you aren't entirely sure about your OB's experience...you have the right to seek another doctor.  Only you know that.  We all have great advice....but please be cautious taking advice online...your doctor knows YOU and knows what the risks/benefits are.  People's hearts are in the right place...but due to the nature of addiction..and the temptation to keep as much "hidden" as possible...it truly makes me nervous when I see offers for medical guidance online.

I would also caution you...only b/c I know of some people who did this...they got Sub from a Sub doctor, or elsewhere without consulting with their OB.  That isn't the way to go b/c again...your OB needs to be involved to know the best way to proceed...the best option for YOU and your DAUGHTER.

Lastly...you are pretty far along...so start preparing yourself for what is to come.  Mainly, the positive, wonderful things about being a new Mom.  But, being a new Mom (is this your first?) is hard enough alone than to also have to deal with an addiction.  Be sure you have an aftercare plan...whether it be NA, private psychotherapy, both....so that you can be in this for the long term.  Don't look at this as a temporary fix b/c you are pregnant.  Commit to sobriety for life for your little girl.

Also...while Sub will help you tremendously to stay away from the Heroin....know that your daughter will most definitely go through withdrawals.  It is unavoidable unfortunately.  Sure, it is a lessor of two evils...but the w/d can still be very wicked, and your daughter may have a rough couple of months.  This, again is why it is imperative to have proper care and the right medical team aware of every aspect of your addiction history, and your recovery.  The doctors will be prepared and can start monitoring her right away for signs of w/d...and be ready with the appropriate treatment.

The very best luck to you...try not to get too upset by words on a screen.  Just try to understand that it IS heeartwrenching to think of an innocent child subjected to pain and suffering when it is totally avoidable.  I think that's where a lot of those comments come from.  YOU are not a bad person, you need help...but remember you have a lot of obstacles to overcome......you are on the right track.  Keep the lines of communication totally OPEN with your doc..and be totally honest so that you and baby BOTH get through this the best way possible.

[youngdude421]

people ned to remember where they came from coming on here and judging this poor woman is so hypocrtical we're supposed to support eachother as addicts when u wanna talk **** to somoene in the grips of heroin addiction maybe u should take a look at yourself. My prayers are with you and your baby imsoblonde dont pay idiots any mind when u get a bunch of ppl on a forum like this unfortuanetlet there will be some assholes like somoene else said getting honest with your doc and telling her whats going you will feel a weight lifted off of u i cant xplain i was a heroin addict and i have 8 months clean now i know what its like to b hooked to that **** ill keep u in my prayers

[imsoblonde]

im sorry im on lunch at work so i only have a minute to talk. no my sub doctor is not my ob. i plan on telling my sub doctor but was nervous if i did then he would not giv me the script...in which case i could either hav to go thru the dopesick or keep using. i think we all kno my answer to that sick as it sounds would hav been to keep using. my ob and i do not get along so great..the only reason i go ther is because it is covered by my insurance..i KNOW ther is no doubt about it that if she knows i am using they will get people involved to take my daughter away ( to answer one of your questions her name is haley =) )  this stuff is very hard to give up...the hardest thing ill prolly ever hav to do. they always say change ur environment and your friends...in which case i can not do either. i jus dont want haley to be in pain, she doesnt deserve it and thats why im so scared. when i hear people say that their children came out healthy..thats what gives me an ounce of hope. i know the first day is the hardest...i just need to make it thru a day and i kno it will get better its just difficult. and to answer another persons question i hav dione inpatient..a lovely 48 days..and i really hated it. i am not trying to knock rehablilitation in any way i just think i was definitly in the wrong place with the wrong people. and thank you people who were talking **** for not coming back. im not being snotty i do really mean thank you...i just cant handle it rite now. i kno what im doin and i know that it is sick. im sorry.

[nursegirl6572]

You're doing the right thing by being here......keep talking, even if you get answers that you don't always like....you know this is a tough situation...and of course you don't want to hurt your daughter.

HOWEVER....from your last post...it looks like you need to make some changes. You need to find a doctor you trust and have a good rapport with.  Even if you weren't using...that is SO very important when going thru a pregnancy and delivery.  If you tell your Sub doc, they very well may cut you off, b/c they have to think about liability...and Sub ISN'T approved for use during pregnancy.  That is not to say that it hasn't been done...but it needs to done done by an OB...preferrably one with experience in dealing with addicted Moms.  

Your insurance HAS to have other docs out there.  I would call the insurance company (TODAY) and explain that you would like to switch and you need a list of docs covered under your plan.  You don't have to share any details, other than you are not satisfied with your current OB.  Then...when you get a list of docs in your plan...start calling around and explain your situation...you may be very surprised.

Hon, you aren't the first Mom with a drug problem, and you certainly won't be the last...this isn't news to them...they deal with it frequently.  You think that the docs would run to CYS, but that isn't always the case.  If you DEAL with it upfront, are honest and do what it takes to get clean...or be maintained on a program (either Sub or Methadone...whatever the OB would Rx you)...then chances are the involvement of CYS would be minimal.  If you can take yourself out of the situation for a minute (and I know that is hard)....just try to understand WHY an agency like CYS WOULD be involved.  It is their job to protect children...and pregnant Moms who are using, quite honestly ARE placing their children at risk...as hard as that is to hear.  Yes, some people have success stories...but are you REALLY willing to take that chance?  That is one heck of a gamble!  You simply CANNOT assume that everything wikll be okay...you'd be fooling yourself...and that isn't fair to YOU or to Haley (darling name, btw).

This is why you need to be under the care of an OB who knows the full truth of your addiction who can work with you to minimize ANY potential risk to your baby and you.  I know it is scary, but I think you would be quite surprised that after you share with your doc (new one or not)...it won't be as BAD as you may think...and if some things are put into place (Social Services)...it is a GOOD thing...it is for your BABY...and it is a great way to keep you in check....to make you do all you can to do the right thing for your baby.  It makes you be accountable.  It is just hard to swallow...b/c the person essentially the baby needs "protected" from is YOU...and of course you didn't set out to harm your child.  The cold hard reality though, is your Heroin use COULD harm the baby.  That is why you are HERE...to fix that.  And you can...and will.

Start by getting yourself to some NA meetings like yesterday.  You will benefit from that, plus it will show the doctor, and anyone else who needs to know that you are serious and committed.  

If you are even considering trying to carry the baby to term and minimizing your usage to hold off w/d's......that is the worst possible option.  The medical team WILL find out....and if you TRULY want to keep your baby (which I know you do).....that is the worst way to go about things...b/c if you do not disclose that info....and you essentially "allow" your baby to go into withdrawal without doing something about it ahead of time...that IS neglect and abuse.

I know you are scared to death...but like I said...you are NOT the first person who has ever been addicted while pregnant...you have to move heaven and earth to do what it takes to help yourself b/c it directly involves Haley.  Even if you have to endure uncomfortable situations with your doctor and CYS....you just have to do what it takes.  Agencies like CYS want nothing more than children to be where they belong and where they are safe....but if a baby enters this world in opiate withdrawals and his/her Mom didn't speak a word because they were "scared".....they of course HAVE to do their job and consider that the baby ISN'T safe with Mom.  They have a responsibility to that child.

Call your insurance company for starters, to see what your options are...and get yourself into an NA meeting on a regular basis....you will find a wonderful support system and quite possibly people who have been thru the same thing who will be a great resource to you...that can help guide you.

Hang in there...you have some time, but not much...you need to set in motion the best plan for success...and start putting your heart and soul into it, no excuses, no procrastinating.  The facts are, you won't be pregnant forever, and you only get one shot at handling this correctly sweetie.  There are no "do-overs".

I wish you the best and my thoughts are with you.

[NickySixx]

your  baby will prob come out healthy and  normal, ppl always think if a mother does drugs the baby going to come out deformed.Llook at courtney Love..she was a huge  heroin addict and  pill popper and her daughter is fine..i mean yea there is a chance. but i think u justy need to hit up ur suboxone doctor to get off the dirtygirl*...dont take methadone) wish u the best of luck and  im prayin for you

[nursegirl6572]

Nicky...I couldn't disagree more...there are all kinds of risks to the baby if a Mom uses during pregnancy...from miscarriage to premature delivery (which in itself carries risks), stillbirth, low birth weight, and the very obvious....unavoidable one....withdrawals, which can be life threatening for an infant.  It actually has NOTHING to do with deformities.

Like I said above....is it REALLY worth taking a chance "hoping" that everything will be okay because SOME people got away with it?

THAT is child abuse and neglect....to continue on a certain path just hoping that "things will work out" when the consequences can literally cost this girl her baby...and I'm not talking CYS.

And for her to continue on Sub without it coming directly from the OB is also not the answer.  The baby will have withdrawals, not to mention the full effects on an unborn child has NOT been studied...the medical professionals do not KNOW all of the possible consequences to a child born to a Mother on Sub..

There is only ONE right answer here...it is for the OP to be under the care of a DOCTOR who is fully aware of the extent of her addiction...who can recommend what is best for her.

And, actually...you said "don't take Methadone".  Many pregnant women are prescribed Methadone during pregnancy.  That is my point....her OB needs to put the appropriate treatment plan together for her.

imsoblonde----PLEASE do not take posts like the above seriously.  If you HONESTLY are willing to take a gamble that you will be lucky like Courtney Love (how ridiiculous)....then follow that advice.  But...how would you feel if you actually LOST your child?  I know you couldn't live with that.....so please do the right thing.

[imsoblonde]

i realize this usually isnt how things are done but i feel bad for not answering all of ur questions. if i dont say ur name its nothing personal i just prolly already answered it already\\

faz84- thank you. weening off is really hard but i kno not to do it cold turkey. ive only done one today..which i guess is better than the 60 dollars a day i have been spending,. oh who am i kidding im still horrible. but thank u for the advice.

hacimroxy- your comment was the scariest but probably the most eye opening. i hope to God haley does not get taken away from me and that all of her organs will b intact. if not i am the only one to blame and how the hell am i supposed to live w myself after that?

liscamdave- thank u for sticking up for me..the reason it took me a couple days to answer was because i didnt want to be attacked. your rite- i will always be an addict..i wish there was some way i could not be but when im 80 years old in a rocking chair (if i make it that long) i will still have to say i am a heroin addict.

mtgoat11- i agree with your doing drugs with kids is the same as doing them pregnant. i realize its not exactly the same considering she is inside me..she is growing and i am the only person rite now who is supposed to be protecting her. instead i am destroying her. but if im using while im pregnant or when haley is a 5 year old it is still harmful and i am still killing my child in a way.

chanandalerbong1- my hormones are raging. i will cry over a commercial. and when i did find out i was pregnant it was overwhelming. i have gotten clean before and your rite- in my case it is harder to get clean while pregnant. i feel like the damage to haley has already been done. im already a peice of **** so whats the point. before when i was using i knew it was just myself that i was hurting. it sounds sick but the pain of hurting my daughter seems to lessen when i am high. it is definitly harder this time around.

10356 and limara23- i would really like to here more from the both of u. u are the hope i need. the stories i need to believe in. ur children are healthy and that makes me so ungodly happy. i pray that my situation turns out like yours.

philister- thank you for praying for me. i am not a very religious person but these pass few weeks i hav prayed more for my daughter than i have in my entire life. i hope He helps.

nursegirl6572- u gave me a lot of good advice. i am scared ******** of the CYS...the fact that i am already 5 months along makes it harder to switch docs cuz mine "knows me" ( yea rite) in my very first post i told all of u that i relapsed in my first trimester and got clean. i took sub fro a week and went thru the agonizing withdrawls for another week. i didnt even hav the energy to stand in the shower the pain was so great that i actually threw up on myself and just layed in it because it hurt to much to move. but guess what? after they were over i was NORMAL i could sleep eat and function with out dope. i felt good and i had my energy back. if i could have stayed away after that one relapse my daughter would b fine. the point is i want to feel normal again. i kno i might b kidding myself but i want to jus get it over with and not hav my doctor know. as long as i drop clean they wont kno unless there is something wrong with her. so what do i do? telling my doc could either help me or u have to admit it can really hurt me. i can not lose my daughter thats why i am debating.


it feels so good to actually talk about this stuff to people that will litsen. i kno i need to stop and i kno i need to go to NA i know i should prolly tell my doc and i kno i have hurt my daughter in more ways than one. please everybody kno that i am trying. i am trying so hard to stop. its not as easy as it sounds i cant just "give it up" there are so many factors in play and the fact that my child is involved makes it even harder. im sorry. im really sorry.

[imsoblonde]

and methadone is not an option for me. i have seen a very very close friend go thru hell and bak because of methadone. i realize it could help in this situation but i cant take the risk of jus gettin addicted to something else.

[philster]

Please get a good doctor you trust and be painfully truthfull with him/her. You and your childs health are at stake and it is very critical to use this time before birth wisely. Dont beat yourself up trying to change the past as this as a waste of time and you do not have time to waste. I try not to be religous but I am a believer in Jesus and he will forgive you if you ask him. So I hope you will ask Jesus to forgive you and then forgive yourself. I think you have shown yourself braveand strong by coming here(and coming back). It shows me that you love that baby. I bet that baby is as strong as you are. Dont worry to much about words said to you by people who dont know all of the details of your life. We all have different braking points and other weak and strong points. Some writing here would be good child advocates, others defence attorneys but this is the time to support you and give you some inner peace and strength. When I read your first post I knew you were going to get clobbered but I think those clobbering you are not mean, evil people but are good people that sometimes say more than we should. We want what is best for YOU and your baby!!!!!

[wildwoodone]

Your baby will go through withdrawal when she is born if you are on Suboxone and the OB will have to know what is going on so they can treat her.  If is better if they are prepared.  Also if they don't know ahead of time there is also the chance they could take your baby away.  This is very important that they know ahead of time what the baby is going to go through so they can be prepared.

[chanandalerbong1]

hey hun,

i know youre scared, but you have got to find another OB and you need to tell them everything....starting from the beginning the doctor needs to be familiar with every month of the pregnancy because of the way the baby developes...also, yes the baby will withdrawal from the suboxone but not like the heroin and being on the suboxone is great progress and far from the damaging effects of heroin.... but if you do not tell the doctor- cps will be called because of the neglect and that is worst case scenerio, but will happen if you wait and dont tell the doctor. however,  if you tell the doctor NOW and you get the important care needed with this delicate situation the odds are that you will get to take hailey home with nolegal troubles. but you need to tell and the sooner the better. i promise im not trying to scare you, but yu need to understand the reality of the situation before it is too late. and i also have a question.... what happens when you stat to really show and you go to the suboxone doctor? dont you think they will notice? its the little things like that, that make it important to be honest. when doctors find out someone is lying to then they dont take kindly to it. aside from that the sub doctor and you ob need to be on the same page for the best results for you and your daughter. again i am really not trying to be mean or harsh or scare you. im just very concerned for you and hailey andi want you both to live happy, healthy lives without any issues. good luck and let us know what happens. i will continue to keep you in my thoughts and prayers....

-Mason.

[nick30]

to everyone who said bad things to imsoblonde.
thanks, you have contributed to this girl taking a huge gamble with her childs life.
well done.
i hope you understand i'm being sarcastic.

Nick.

to imsoblonde: for god's sake, please goto your dr's immeadiately and tell them EVERYTHING.

[nursegirl6572]

With all due respect...with the exception of ONE harsher post (and even that was just a person being VERY honest)...people are NOT being mean....we are sincerely trying to help her.....we know she is scared but we are trying to tell her that doing nothing and not disclosing this info will end up with the exact consequences she is petrified of.

"you have contributed to this girl taking a huge gamble with her childs life. "

That is way over the top and unfair.  This is a serious subject with the life of a child at stake....so of course it will not be the most comfortable conversation, and most definitely won't be sugar coated....there is no time for that.

I think I speak for most everyone when I say we are happy that she is here wanting to do the right thing for her daughter...and I hope she continues at least keeping the lines of communication open on this forum.  She has been very honest here, and that is great.

Now, she just needs to be honest with her doctor.....

So, therefore...no one is telling imsoblonde "bad things"..we're telling her the facts, no matter HOW hard they are to hear, and we are trying to persuade her to get past her fear and do what is necessary.  That is what forums like this are all about.

[chanandalerbong1]

well said nusegirl...
although i do want to say, if my post was harsh or mean in anyway i apologize- i just want the girl to come out ok and with her baby. i wish her nothing but the best and i reall hope you tell you doctor imsoblonde, that way you both can be safe and go home together... however, there arew just somethings that are better left unsaid especially when it comes to sensative topic i think we could all be a little more careful when it come to dropping an opinion on someones REAL life...

-Mason.

[imsoblonde]

i apreciate when people stick up for me but i understand the criticism (sp?) i know what i am doing is wrong. this addiction is really taking a toll on me. its so hard to stop. its the morning that it my problem, everytime i use i feel horrible and i say "this is it" but the minute i wake up in the morning i feign so bad and end up using. it has like a power over me. it doesnt even give me the high it used to...i hav to do so much more to even feel it. what im trying to say is I DONT WANT IT i honestly dont i just cant seem to stay away. last nite my bf and i got into such a horrible fight i felt so bad for what i am doing to haley that i literally turned psychotic and was hysterically crying screaming "my baby" over and over again. but then this morning i woke up and the guilt was still there BUT so was the need for the drugs. the thing is i kno i can quit w/o rehab i jus need the bf to put his foot down and this time around hes not. its too easy when i have a phone to call my people and a car in the garage to go get it. the really sick part is now i hav to take money that doesnt belong to me from my mothers account. my mother is the most kind hearted person u will ever meet and she works 15 hours a day to provide for her family. sick sick sick. i want to protect my daughter. instead i am destroying her. i dont kno what to do anymore. i am hanging on by my fingernails. i have never bneen suicidal and hav always been terrified by death but lately life ***** so bad that i dont want to be in it. dont worry guys im not going to kill myself...i never would im jus trying to show you all how bad im struggling. this disease has dug its claws into me and is not letting go. i kno i can stop i jus need a push. the guilt is overwhelming. and again im so scared to tell my doctor. im afraid of the consequences.

[imsoblonde]

again i wanted to say thank u to all of u that hav posted. it feels so good to actually be able to talk about this and not bottle it all up. im scared. so scared. and u guys are really helping

[chanandalerbong1]

hun i know youre scared to tell your doctor but i can almost with 100% certainty that the consequences will be far worse if you dont tell. in fact i can garuntee it. if you tell now before it is to late it will be okay. you will get the right treatment your sub doctor wont catch you in a lie and there is far less of a chance that haley will be taken from you. not to mention you will be much safer during delivery and the baby can be properly treated after delivery. but if you dontn tell the doctor and soon- all your worst fears will come to reality. you can save yourself and your baby just by being honest. so if you dont like your ob call your insurance customer service number and ask them for a new one. you need to do this for the both of you.

[brandyandwhiskey]

oh bless you love... i know you love your baby and i totally understand you picking up, um my advice if you can, try and give up so your babes isnt born doing a turkey, we know how that feels babes, i know its hard, um be honest i dont know if you tell docs if they could change any outcome but dont let them know try and give up for your baby, my friend had a baby , he was born doing a turkey, she lost the kid her heads gone and shes back on the gear.... give yourself a chance and your babes, that would make you happy, are you happy drugging and having fun.... yea i know,,,yea its hard i wish you luck  babes

[wildwoodone]

The little push should be that you will lose your baby to family services if you don't tell your OB doctor and get help.  Both of my daughters are Registered Nurses in Labor and Delivery at a large hospital in St. Louis and they see it happen all the time....so if you want to keep your baby and not cause it serious suffering and pain, do what you gotta do.  Little harsh hun, but the truth!!

[LateAugust]

One week has passed since  this original post, in an average gestation period of 38 weeks, that is a considerable amount of time in the  development of a fetus.  Other than reiterating the same verbage of hysteria, what action has been taken to seek the medical help needed for the treatment of this pregnacy?    There is a phone in the house, a car in the garage, medical insurance, monies available that can easily be stolen from  mother,  positive advise and unconditional understanding from this forum,  but what has been done to help this unborn child?

You can post until you go into labor, however that is NOT going to contribute one iota to the health of this unborn baby.

To pick up the telephone and place a call to the OB/GYN is the least you can do in assuming a responsible role in the well being of the life you are bringing into this world.  

I am not judging your addiction or its  potential harm to the baby, however it is time to put some action into your words.

[nursegirl6572]

EXCELLENT post august.  I could not agree more.

Sympathy and compassion are great...and you've got it here...but you need to take action NOW.  **** or get off the pot, right?  Every minute that goes by you are risking the well being of your daughter...and why?  Out of fear.

Believe the posters here when they say that the EXACT thing that you fear most will happen if you just blow this off.  TELL YOUR DOCTOR.  TODAY.  Go to the Doctor's office in person and tell the staff that you have something urgent to speak with the doctor about.  They will HELP you.  Sure, they will judge you too most likely....but that is OKAY....you cannot worry about that.  You HAVE to suck it up....deal with the fear and just do it.

You will be amazed and very pleasantly surprised at the outcome.  If you don't...you will possibly regret this for a lifetime.

[chanandalerbong1]

it never occued to me but why dont you try calling the NA hotline or look online for a hotline specic to addiction and pregnancy.... im sure you can find something. they might be able to find you some help...but every day that passes, you have to realize your baby is developing every minute or every hour of everyday of every week... its crucial you do something in attempting to let ANY OB/GYN  know so they can get you help...

-Mason.

[cathy5841]

GREAT POST..LATEAUGUST, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE....

[LoandTansMom24]

I didn't see you pm last night, but I pm'd you back this morning.

[imsoblonde]

dont have time to talk today. jesus im sorry the second i came on this website i didnt take action. i didnt realize if i didnt take action rite away ("Other than reiterating the same verbage of hysteria, what action has been taken to seek the medical help needed for the treatment of this pregnacy?    There is a phone in the house, a car in the garage, medical insurance, monies available that can easily be stolen from  mother,  positive advise and unconditional understanding from this forum,  but what has been done to help this unborn child?") IM HERE im talking im sorry if my hysteria is bothering all of u...maybe talkin wasnt a good idea. im sorry for spilling my guts..im not trying to be snotty in ANY WAY im really regretting coming here. if u guys think its a good idea for me to leave i will leave. i know my baby is growing im not retarded. i know im hurting her. You all think i should tell my doctor and thats prolly whats best but i am still undecided. at least i am trying. trying so hard to stop....even went to NA but i guess that doesnt matter. i have a feeling writing this post is going to get me attacked but this is how i feel. thank u for everyone that actually cared.

ps and it was really hard for me to tell a,ll of u what i have been doing to my mother. how bad that tore up my insides because of the relationship we hav and the size of her heart. but im living the life of  ajunkie. im so glad that that statement that was difficult to write was thrown in my face. thanks a billion.

[cattalina]

I've been following this thread but keeping my mouth shut cuz you felt attacked last time I posted but I'm going to try again regardless. Something you said in a post a few back kinda bothered me -
"the thing is i kno i can quit w/o rehab i jus need the bf to put his foot down and this time around hes not."
If that is not your addiction talking 100% I really don't know what is. Sweetie - if you could quit without rehab you would have done it already... it has nothing to do with your boyfriend putting his foot down and if you really believe that... well, it's denial working in full force. Addiction is insidious and makes you believe things that aren't true. I'm not sure why your last post was so out there... I didn't see anyone ask you to leave. But you have to expect different reactions from different people regarding your situation. I hear you say you are trying, and that's good, but at this point you really need to be doing something. Someone earlier said sh*t or get off the pot and it's kinda true... You can continue on as "undecided", and then you'll have to deal with whatever the consequences are whenever you get to them. Or you could push thru the fear and put some of this advice into action. You say people are throwing things in your face, but they're not. People are stating fact and the truth is always more harsh when it's staring you in the face. Coming here and talking about all this is a great first step but you are going to have to take the second step pretty soon, which is action...

[lnd121107]

hey i know what u r going thru, u r on the right track noone can tell u what 2 do, only provide u with advice. U r the one that needs to take care of Haley, I know u r gonna do the right thing I feel it in my heart. Good Luck and  everything happens for a reason. u have ur reasons for not telling ur ob/gyn and if noone understands don't worry bcuz u know u have to do the right thing and it's gonna be ur way, bcuz u r u and noone here knows u, GOOD LUCK

[chanandalerbong1]

ok- i have read masons posts to you and I used to work for a facility that helped mothers or soon to be mothers get clean and save their child. i have also seen that my husband was being supportive an informative the whole time. yes it is, for the most part, harder to get clean while pregnant. but there is no "deciding" to make. you dont tell the doctor your baby will be taken away and you will ne arrested if you tell and soon, ou will probably get the hep you need and keep your baby. sounds like an obvious decision when it's between keeping your newborn or losing her and going to jail. *shrug* maybe im not reading this right? someone please tell me if i am.

*Kristen*

[imsoblonde]

so my thread here kinds died but i figured i would post anyway. last week i drove an hour and spent $100 to see my suboxen doctor, i told him of  my relapse and that i was pregnant. i told him i wanted to ween myself off suboxen as quickly as possible for haley. well the jerk didnt react so well. he kept throwing accusations at me very rudely and for some reason wanted to get my mother involved (am i a child..no.) we ended up getting into a sort of shouting match and i left..wasting my money.
tomorrow at 1 i have an appt. with a new doctor. if i tel her i am pregnant  i can not get the meds. i found that out the hard way and thats life. but hte point is tomorrow i am going and i pray to god that it works.
this addiction has reached a whole new level. i am now using about $100 worth a day which i hav been on before. i kno that i can kick this. i will prolly hav to start at 12mg of subs and work my way down. tomorrow adn the next couple days after that are going to be very difficult. itll b hard not to go. not to use. im going to b craving so bad. but i dont want it anymore. i want my life back. i need my life back. i want haley to be healthy so bad that it hurts and i am the one who has put her life in jeapordy. i am a horrible person.
this is ruining ever aspect of my life. i am stealing large quantites of money from my mother. killing my daughter. hurting myself. and today my boss sent me home...i was high at work and he got so mad he started screaming at me. i did not want him knowing i am an addict. i have a feeling all of my co workers know as well.
well thats life right. please pray for haley. shes quite the fighter.

[mchiurazzi]

i dont think you should have to start at higher than 8mg as i had a gram gram and a half day habbit of heroin for over 6 months and 8mg worked great also the good doctors ive found(wich there are few that prescribe sub!) have all told me that there are only very special circumstances where there should be more than 8mg prescribed. but good luck and i really hope it help you as it has me. best wishes

[imsoblonde]

one more question. i really want to get bak into NA but if i go to NA and open up and tell them i relapsed and im 6 months pregnant...can they get CPS involved?  no rite cuz its supposed to b confidential?

[nursegirl6572]

I really wish you would just find an OB you trust and tell him/her.  While you may get off the Heroin, if you are on Sub, the baby will w/d from that.  Also, Sub is NOT approved for use in pregnant women, and especially if you require a higher dose, it could have very real consequences.  

The Sub doctor had a responsibility to "cut you off" b/c of the unknown with the drug.  

You need to fess up to the OB, not the Sub doc.  They will do what's right for you and the baby.

I sincerely hope it works out for you, but I really am fearful.  Your habit has gotten worse, and you seem to be under the impression that Sub is the answer.  There simply is NO substitute for anything but 100% honesty with your obstetrician at this point.  That os the ONLY safe option.

Glad to see you still posting, and I know you are petrified, but just do the right thing...you are only wasting very valuable time.  Your worst fears truly may be realized if you don't act NOW.

Best of luck.

[chanandalerbong1]

really really agree with the last poster. why in the world have you not told an ob yet?! everyone on here has offered up some really good heart felt advice and almost everyone here has told you what is going to happen if you dont and you try and detox on your own. you say the your first priority is the babys health, yet even after reading close to 100 posts about what will happen to that baby if you dont tell an ob from experienced addicts and some that have professions dealing with pregnant addicts, you continue to just do what you were doing before... the longer you wait the bigger a hole you dig for yourself. na wont be the people who get cps involved its the doctors and the nurses in the delivery room that will-because again they will find out after birth and cps will take the baby and you will get hit with child endangerment and depending on the state maybe even as much as attempted murder. im not trying to be mean and im not trying to scare you. i just wish you would go get some help! also, i know 50 others have already said this, but detoxing on your own could send you into labor... go get help dont hurt this baby and yourself anymore. tell the ob and if youre going to a new sub doctor, you need to tell them too. my husband was supportive to you, offered up great advice. now i am telling you the facts, nice or not, this is the reality of your situation. there is no dancing around it anymore...do what needs to be done so you can actually keep your baby and be the mother she deserves....again, i apologize if i sound harsh, but at this point your only options are to tell and get the medical help you both need to dont tell and risk both your lives and jepordize any chances of keeping cps away from your and the baby...

*Kristen*  

[LateAugust]

I know my original post made you angry a few weeks ago.  Unfortunately I was talking about you waiting one week from your first post on this thread to seek medical help.
In reality your true original post on MedHelp regarding your addiction and the potential impact on the fetus  was written  and posted  in January.  My gosh,   5 months ago.

  Yet to date, nothing has changed.      I can accept your anger,  I have no problem with that.  HOWEVER  I only  wish someone  or something could get your attention that you absolutely need to have your OB/GYN involved in your pregnancy  and begin  taking some small steps in the right direction for the wellfare of your unborn child.

[Adrian_D]

I have a friends who got pregnant and she was in on methadone and was still addicted to heroin as well (she had been using for 8 years). She was injecting it into her neck cuz she didn't have any veins left. It was not pleasant. In the end she had a healthy baby, but unfortunately the little guy had to be given small amounts of morphine to help with his withdrawals. I remember seeing him stretching and crying from being uncomfortable. i just want to say that although it is dangerous that you are using while pregnant, it is possible to still have a healthy pregnancy. I strongly recommend getting off before giving birth. After 8 weeks the withdrawals won't be that bad. you can do it! Keep the faith :)

[refusingbondage]

I just read this whole thread, and Im not going to comment, judge or tell you what to do.  But I do want to respond to your last question.  You are worried that if you go to NA and tell them whats going on that CPS can get involved.  What do you think is going to happen when you have this baby?  If you dont work with an OBGYN and you don't inform the hospital and your doctors that your using, when this baby is born addicted, CPS will definitely get involved, without a shadow of a doubt.  You have to trust someone.  NA will probably know of an OBGYN doc who is experienced in this.. the OBGYN may know of a sub doc who is experienced in this.. Dont let that one rude a-hole of a doc make you give up on your quest to do what is right for this baby and yourself.  You gotta keep trying.  Someone said above that your not the first pregnant heroine addict and you wont be the last and they are right..so please keep trying until you find a doctor who will support and help you.  Good luck and lots of prayers

[bethinime]

I tried to read all the posts but there were so many so forgive me if I am asking a question that has already been asked. My question is isnt there a Doctor/Patient confidentiality law to protect her? She should be able to confide in her dr without fears of repercussions. Without that freedom thats what  makes us hide things...things that a professional can us with?

Secondly I want to say to iamblonde you are in my thoughts and prayers. I am glad to hear you are on suboxone now. Please keep us posted with your progress. I know addiction is hard. But this is something you can overcome and you and yourdaughter can be ok with the right treatment. Get help from your drs and if you and your ob dont get along great see if there is someone else on your insurance list you can switch to. You need to feel absolutely comfortable with your Dr so they can help you. Stay strong. I will be thinking and praying for you and your daughter.

[RichDoc]

Blondie:

I will make it simple.  Find a new OB (preferably a woman--they are less judgmental toward other women), tell her your story from the beginning and tell her you want to do the right thing by your baby.  Ask her if she can get you on a titrated withdrawal schedule on suboxone.  Considering your alternatives, that is the safest treatment.  DO NOT continue doing what you are doing.  Stick to that schedule!  Any court later will commend you for trying to do the right thing by seeking help.  It is only if you do NOT seek help that they may take away your baby at birth.  But more than that, realize that you are now the light of your baby's life.  It isn't about you anymore.  It is about your child.  Good luck.  I am pulling for you, kid!

RichDoc

[drea9]

i know exactly what you are going threw. i am currently 7 months pregnant and taking methadone. At the begining of my pregnacy i was pretty much using whatever i could get my hands on. when i found out i was actually pregnant it was to hard to stop, even though you truely want to. NO ONE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT UNLESS THEY HAVE DELT WITH IT TOO. And trust me that is the truth. i'm seeing a mid wife not an ob because i am considered high risk being an addict and being on the methadone. the baby and yourself have to be monitored closely while on this stuff. i was actually told that suboxone will harm the baby more thats why theyrecommended methodone. subutex never came up so i couldnt tell you much about that. i'm currently on 42 mg and feel great. my baby is healthy aswell. i've asked to be winged off of the methodone because i don't want a  chance of my baby being addicted. but they won't recommend it just to be safe. there are at least 3 other girls that i run into at the clinic where i get my methodone and they all have had healthy babys, also surprisingly none of their babies we addicted when born. and they were on at least 70 mg. i'm not sure if your still wondering about all this i just read what was up top. i know exactly what you are going threw your not alone. and there are plenty of other women out there struggling with the same stuff. it's scary expecially when you have another to care for besides yourself. your not alone, and i just wanted to make sure the information i knew would be passed on to you, weather it helps you or not at least you know. i wish you the best of luck and if you need anything else, or have any questions please let me know. she's counting on you, and only you. remember that.

[drea9]

sorry but either way css is going to get involved. they only way you can save your child now would be to get clean they will test the baby for any drugs when you have her and if ANYTHING and i mean ANYTHING even weed comes up in yours or her system she's gone. get help and just be honest. days go on and you get threw things, people will stand by you and help you but they will not stand by you and help you if your not helping yourself. tell your ob you have to. just get it over with you will feel 100 times better. you know whats right and what you should do.just stick your chest out and hold your head up high, your doing this for a reason. do you like the way your life is right now? sounds to me like you don't. well do something about it. change... it takes time won't happen over night i can promise you that. and your going to have to work at it big time. but you know what when your looking for dope youll do anything and everything to get that high. so why not go through all the **** to get clean. start digging your way out of that hole you dug yourself into. you can do it! trust me if i can be where i am now from where i was just back in january... you can do it. and i don't even know you personally. but you have to want it. you have to be ready to give it all up. if your not then there's no point. you'll get sick and tired of being sick and tired one day. you'll get sick of hurting your family and living a lie. but you better do it while you still have that little bit of hope in the people that love you because pretty soon they will give up on you just like your giving up on yourself. and thats even a worse feeling. there's help out there, so use it. i put myself threw hell when i was using, don't get me wrong the thoughts of using are still there... but if you are going to NA i'm sure you heard "play the whole tape all the way threw" do it and i promise you, you will change everything. i don't want to hear of anything bad comming of your situation, and i am willing to help you in anyway possible because i know exactly what you are going threw. and it's not easy. i like to belive that us addicts are more of the stronger people in life because of what we have been threw and where we are today. but everything happens for a reason all you can do is learn from it and move on. son't make the same mistakes in a row. and learn to forgive yourself. your worth it. and so is your daughter. you have someone else depending on you now. it's not about you anymore it's about her. good luck!!!

[nursegirl6572]

PLEASE read drea's posts over and over.  While the rest of us have been trying to steer you in the right direction...you have the info coming STRAIGHT from someone living it.  SHE did the right thing and told her doctor...and what happened?  She is getting support and being closely monitored.  Also, she is right about the Sub vs Methadone.  There just isn't enough research out there about the effects of Sub on a pregnancy/infant.  There is w/d for sure...but everything else is a big unknown.  On Methadone...you will be properly dosed (although you have to take it as Rxed)...and closely watched.  The delivery team will be FULLY prepared for any issues that come up...and they will be able to treat your daughter BEFORE w/d's begin.  If you stay silent...she will start w/d's, and that just is NOT fair to her.  Then, the docs are not going to have the info they need to treat her accordingly.

You don't want to lose your child, you are not a bad person.  You have a problem.  HOWEVER.  Time is of the essence now.  You've heard it from all of us....we are not just trying to scare you into doing the right thing.  If you think you will sneak this by the medical team, PLEASE think again...it's NOT going to happen.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.  So, if that is still where your mindset is...think again.  It truly will not happen.  They are going to find out.  Let them find out from you, NOW.  Your daughter WILL have w/d's from the Sub, and they can be VERY severe.  If that happens and you haven't disclosed vital info about your use....then CYS will NOT have any mercy, and you will have to fight that much harder to prove yourself.  WHY do that to yourself?  When you tell the doc...they aren't going to arrest you, they are going to help you.  Sure, you may be received very positively at first, but the longer you wait, the worse that will be.  And, who cares anyway...YOU are doing it for the right reasons.  You have a responsibility to this child, plain and simple.  Is the dad involved?  If so, what does he say?  Maybe HE could be supportive when you approach the doctor.  

Find a new OB today...and do whatever it takes to make sure that you are given the proper care and that your daughter will not be in any more danger at delivery than she has to be.  Newborns that have complications are so fragile, and things can literally turn on a dime.  It TRULY may make the difference between life and death for her if the team does not know about this...and IF it comes down to telling them at a moment where your daughter has gone into some type of distress, it may be too late.  I'm NOT saying that to frighten you, but it IS the cold hard truth.  And IF God forbid something would happen to your daughter...not only would you have to live with that knowing it was fully preventable, but there will be legal consequences beyond your imagination.  :0(

This is 100% fixable.  Fix it.....it's more than time.  Despite anything any of us have said to you here...we're all rooting for you...and we want the best for your child, and for you.

[nursegirl6572]

I wanted to address this---

"My question is isnt there a Doctor/Patient confidentiality law to protect her? She should be able to confide in her dr without fears of repercussions"

Yes, there ARE confidentiality laws to protect a patient.  HOWEVER when there is a child at risk, medical professionals have a LEGAL and MORAL responsibility to report it to the proper authorities.  There would be bigtime consequences if it wasn't reported.