Still more buprenorphine confusion

[Bodymechanic]

I doubt there has ever been an opiate drug that was more poorly understood by it's users.  In one of your posts you write that suboxoxone absorbsion is from 50-90%.  Is this from measuring blood levels?  Also, hairysoda writes in a previous post that he changed from 4amps of buprenx to 12 mg of suboxone.  Correct me if I am wrong, but is'nt this an almost 10 fold increase in dosing?  Yet you never mention this in spite of the fact he is asking about getting off the drug totally. What is a high dose? What is a low dose?  Are there any long term side effects with use over many years?  Is buprenorphine addictive and at what dose?  I have been using buprenophine for almost 6 months now and no-one has been able to answer even the most basic of questions.

Any information beyond the usual press releases would be most helpful.

Thanks

Bodymechanic

[pammy0690]

WHen my hubby was on the Bup he and our doc made the desion for him to stay on it a bit longer than recommended due to the length of time 3 years he was abusing oxys at about 120mg a day.  Everyone is different and to just due a three day detox may not be the best bet for everyone.  Best to talk it over with your doctor and come up with a workable treatment plan.  From what I understand Bup works on different receptors therefore the other ones that have taken a beating can heal.  I think this is true but I am not completely sure.  The forum Doc may know more about it.  Pamela

[hairysoda]

im sorry,ithought when you said your last pill was 55 1/2 hours ago that you were drug free and were not on bup yet. you are on the bup now and your are on the taper off program now is that correct? if so let me tell how it works as i did totally wean off bup three years ago after a vicoden addiction of 25 7.5's a day. when i started the bup it was just starting to be introduced in my area which is south florida. i was on 12 amps the 1st day three to begin with  and two every three hours after unti i went to sleep. it worked immediately no withdrawals and it took about three months not three days as your doctor is presribing. i found that when i was seriously of the vics and into the bup the taper was simple. i has no real problem getting down to two amps but then it was a real struggle. i felt tired and weak for ra while and then i was down to less than one amp three times a day befor i knew it. finally i said thats it after i was really injecting only a 1/8 of an amp at a time. after the withdrawals werent that painful like whjen i went cold turkey of perecets no skin crawl or rsl syndrom or anything like that but a weal flu type with drawal that felt like **** for about two weeks with the depression and all but the depression wasnt that bad, i think i was just depressed cause i didnt fell well. the people at the clinic deceived me at the time and told me that there would be absolutley no w/d's. so when i called them durin this time they told me i probably had the flu. but i didnt and then i started to feel normal again and that was great until i started taking vics again after they were offered to me three mounths later. and then i went back to bup and have been on it since. its amazing but i was content for so long  and now i want to be clean again. im on suboxone now so there are no injectons just breaking a 8mg tablet three times a day under my tounge and it works just fine and best of all my insurance pays for it now. The only advice i can give you is to stay the course and do what you doctor says, but if you think when you stop the bup and you dont feel well then maybe you be on the bup for longer and ease off very slow but do get off this stuff or yoyll be like me three years later and get support dont do it yourself GO TO NA-GO TO NA-FO TO NA that will be your savior they will all help you there and mak sure you stay the couse.. im sorry again for making this so long winded but i have so much to share on this topic of the bup and the suboxone that i want to share and it will help me with my addiction problem.. please get back to me

[AKIRA]

i ahve been on bup. for three days now i just am wondering when the hardest time for everyone was. was it while you where on the bup. or the weeks afterwords?

[hippy]

ih lisbet.
na. meetings are a 12 step fellowship.
it has been arounr since 1951. . it started in vannuys cal.
it was started for all the addicts who were not fitting into
aa.
i live in phila pa. and the meeting started here on the east coast  right outside of philly in 1973.
i started going to meetings in 1976 at the age of 16, at the time there were only 7 meetings in the phila area.
so most of us went to aa and na. around 1985 na started to grow up and stand on it own without the  addicts having to go to aa too. in 185 there were 50 mmetings, by 1990 there were 2000
meetings.
and na had its own book, the basic text by 1982, in our like 7 chapters on subjects on living just for today , recovery and
relaps. and a lot of stories of different addicts experence.
most meeting are either 1 hour or an hour and half long.
a person starts the meeting by sharing there story or about a certian principal or step. then the people at the meeting share  about 10 min . each. the meetings have changed in this area
over the years, in the begining years people got up there and told a war story and then the group would dump all there pro blems of thier day and how there day went.
a lot of this style of sharing , the war story from the speaker was from the example of aa, and the dumping from the floor by the rest of the group was directly related to the the new and popular  group therepy that was prevelant tin the 1970's into the early 80's.
things have changed around here .most speakes  share recovery
in thier story and try not to talk to much about all the drugs they did.they focus more how they are getting better, and what is helping them , like belonging to a home group, having a sponser in na who helps them to work the steps.
the meeting are more gear for being positive and attractive to the new person who walks through the door for the 1st time.
and the group trys not to dump all there problems , anymore , but trys to talk about positive things that happening in there
lives, as this is much moe attractive then a bunck  of clean addicts, talking about how  life is so difficult.
the best thing in meetings is the truth, that is what i look for.
and talk about.when ever we focus on any particular drugs we did  it tends to seperate us , and we need to stick together and talk about what we have in comman. unity is a big topic and setting aside our differences, like age, race , religion,
what drugs we did, wether we are rich or poor , educated or
not so educated, seperaton is part of the problem.
na beleives addiction is a disease for lack of a better term.
there are good meeting with mature people getting better and there are metting where people are not as commited and it show sup in the presintation of the groups meetings

[Thomas03]

No need to apologize. In fact, if you would please, point out the posts in this thread that made you feel that way. I would really like to know. We try to provide an hospitable environment for addicts but sometimes we fall short. Your help would be appreciated.

I understand how you feel right now. There is a significant emotional component to Vicodin withdrawal, and it usualy hits about where you are now. I hope you get the bup soon. It will without a doubt help you and quickly, too. Tell me, did your doctor mention Suboxone to you?

Thomas

[AKIRA]

i just tried to write a letter of appology but i earsed by mistake. i want to so i was sorry my emotions right now ar a rollercoaster ride and i am sure you are going threw the same thing. the druge i am detoxing is vicadine i was taking 8-10 of the tens per day. it has been 55 1/2 hours since my last pill and i am starting to freak out a bit. so i appologise.
sorry