Still more buprenorphine confusion

[Bodymechanic]

I doubt there has ever been an opiate drug that was more poorly understood by it's users.  In one of your posts you write that suboxoxone absorbsion is from 50-90%.  Is this from measuring blood levels?  Also, hairysoda writes in a previous post that he changed from 4amps of buprenx to 12 mg of suboxone.  Correct me if I am wrong, but is'nt this an almost 10 fold increase in dosing?  Yet you never mention this in spite of the fact he is asking about getting off the drug totally. What is a high dose? What is a low dose?  Are there any long term side effects with use over many years?  Is buprenorphine addictive and at what dose?  I have been using buprenophine for almost 6 months now and no-one has been able to answer even the most basic of questions.

Any information beyond the usual press releases would be most helpful.

Thanks

Bodymechanic

[percsnomas]

Hello,

I'm not sure which posts have made you doubt your doctors proposed treatment??? Treatment with Bup for what(how much)?

As far as talking negatively, and making people believe that there is no way out; i have to strongly disagree!!!
There are always "issues", cause lets face it, the emotions are running pretty high here......and a lot at stake; HOWEVER, if you read through most threads, you will find an awful lot of support and hope and optimism.
Most people I've come across here in the last 9 months have been filled with compassion and are incredibly caring, especially for complete strangers.

Please elaborate...

percs(no more)

[AKIRA]

I have been reading everyones comments and honestly you guys are scaring me. i went to see Dr. Jones in austin texas and h eis the only Dr. in my area that deals with addiction thearapy. He put me on bup. and my schedual is 4 injections for 2 days, 3 for 2 days and then 2 for 3 days. I am confident that this will work for me but listing to what you guys are saying, you are making me question my doctors advise. I don't think you guys should be talking soo nagativly to addicts. All you are doing is making us feel like there is no way out.

[lisabet]

Thanks, hippy, for the information.  I know how much interaction on this forum helps me, so I was thinking maybe it would help me to actually be with other addicts, sharing experiences and not feeling so much alone.  It's something I'm thinking about; the problem is going without my family knowing about it.  But if I decide to do it, I'll figure it out, I'm sure...smile.  Have a great day. It's raining and windy here in Southern West Virginia today. Wind's blowing so hard it's rattling the windows. Thanks again.  Love/Peace, Lisabet

[hippy]

ih lisbet.
na. meetings are a 12 step fellowship.
it has been arounr since 1951. . it started in vannuys cal.
it was started for all the addicts who were not fitting into
aa.
i live in phila pa. and the meeting started here on the east coast  right outside of philly in 1973.
i started going to meetings in 1976 at the age of 16, at the time there were only 7 meetings in the phila area.
so most of us went to aa and na. around 1985 na started to grow up and stand on it own without the  addicts having to go to aa too. in 185 there were 50 mmetings, by 1990 there were 2000
meetings.
and na had its own book, the basic text by 1982, in our like 7 chapters on subjects on living just for today , recovery and
relaps. and a lot of stories of different addicts experence.
most meeting are either 1 hour or an hour and half long.
a person starts the meeting by sharing there story or about a certian principal or step. then the people at the meeting share  about 10 min . each. the meetings have changed in this area
over the years, in the begining years people got up there and told a war story and then the group would dump all there pro blems of thier day and how there day went.
a lot of this style of sharing , the war story from the speaker was from the example of aa, and the dumping from the floor by the rest of the group was directly related to the the new and popular  group therepy that was prevelant tin the 1970's into the early 80's.
things have changed around here .most speakes  share recovery
in thier story and try not to talk to much about all the drugs they did.they focus more how they are getting better, and what is helping them , like belonging to a home group, having a sponser in na who helps them to work the steps.
the meeting are more gear for being positive and attractive to the new person who walks through the door for the 1st time.
and the group trys not to dump all there problems , anymore , but trys to talk about positive things that happening in there
lives, as this is much moe attractive then a bunck  of clean addicts, talking about how  life is so difficult.
the best thing in meetings is the truth, that is what i look for.
and talk about.when ever we focus on any particular drugs we did  it tends to seperate us , and we need to stick together and talk about what we have in comman. unity is a big topic and setting aside our differences, like age, race , religion,
what drugs we did, wether we are rich or poor , educated or
not so educated, seperaton is part of the problem.
na beleives addiction is a disease for lack of a better term.
there are good meeting with mature people getting better and there are metting where people are not as commited and it show sup in the presintation of the groups meetings

[lisabet]

Would you care to explain how the NA meetings work?  I've never really been a "joiner" - but I'm beginning to think these meetings may be of some value to me.  You can either answer on the forum or @ ***@****.  Thanks much. Lisabet

[hippy]

hey suz , sometime we need a brain wash.
i know i need one when i 1st got clean
back in 85. i had to relearn how to think, how to live
amongst a few things that need attention.
i still go to na every week and lone na meetings.
peace!!!!!!!!!hippy
there is nothing like haveing truely heartfull honest conversation.