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Sub Experience
Hey Guys,
So far, I have only tried to help folks in this community. I now however need help with a dumb question. Anyone that has detoxed from Sub, Please tell me how long my body will continue to hurt and I'll be Skeenchy (stretchy). This is not my first Rodeo. I've done w/d from Methadone, Heroin and other nasty things. Sub just seems to be the gift that keeps giving.........I regret the day that I started it.
I am day 11 now with 0mg. after 1.5+ years from 16mg daily to 3mg. to 0. I am daily drinking myself into a stupor to deal with the pain and maybe sleep four hours (Iknow...not good) and Momma is rightfully worried about it. Question is, how much longer can I expect the pain and Skeenchies? Maybe gone by this weekend? Thanks. Bless Ya'll.
So far, I have only tried to help folks in this community. I now however need help with a dumb question. Anyone that has detoxed from Sub, Please tell me how long my body will continue to hurt and I'll be Skeenchy (stretchy). This is not my first Rodeo. I've done w/d from Methadone, Heroin and other nasty things. Sub just seems to be the gift that keeps giving.........I regret the day that I started it.
I am day 11 now with 0mg. after 1.5+ years from 16mg daily to 3mg. to 0. I am daily drinking myself into a stupor to deal with the pain and maybe sleep four hours (Iknow...not good) and Momma is rightfully worried about it. Question is, how much longer can I expect the pain and Skeenchies? Maybe gone by this weekend? Thanks. Bless Ya'll.
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Hi Ash,
I am going on 18 days now after 1.5 years......I'm kinda backward from ya. My mind is right, but Jesus on a crutch, my body hurts........
However, I'm not a soft guy (Body Guard for Years) and have cried like a little school girl the past couple weeks.
This Board has helped me more than any meeting ever has. I had no idea how many people out there share the same issues.
I look forward to to the point that I'm "normal" HA and can help some folks here.
Congrats on 94 Days! Hang in There. Thanks for your post! WM
I am going on 18 days now after 1.5 years......I'm kinda backward from ya. My mind is right, but Jesus on a crutch, my body hurts........
However, I'm not a soft guy (Body Guard for Years) and have cried like a little school girl the past couple weeks.
This Board has helped me more than any meeting ever has. I had no idea how many people out there share the same issues.
I look forward to to the point that I'm "normal" HA and can help some folks here.
Congrats on 94 Days! Hang in There. Thanks for your post! WM
How many days are you in now? I have been currently off subs for 94 days now, you hang in there...things do get so much better. I remember my day 14 thinking "is this ever going to end?" The truth is it does...Around my 25th day I felt like myself again physically...but, emotionally I was still not ready.. I suffered from severe anxiety and depression and although I felt better physically, mentally I sure didnt! What I realized is that there are so many groups out there and people willing to help because they have been through it to. I found comfort in that. You should be so proud of yourself that you have made it so far!! Keep up the good work!! You will begin to see that with each day, it lessens more and more! Many blessings to you!
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Wolf.......have you thought about going to AA or NA? You gotta put the alcohol down. You are trying to detox off one med, taking too much of another and drinking the rest of it....I have a feeling there is a really neat man underneath all of this. Quit hiding behind a substance wolf. You hold the key that will unlock these chains that are binding you...
Jaybay.....Are you going to Alanon? You have alot on your plate.
Jaybay.....Are you going to Alanon? You have alot on your plate.
While I have control over the clonidine (doling out as-prescribed today) Wolf is now F'd up drinking beer with the neighbors across the street and watching trick-or-treaters go by. I feel for the neighbors having to deal with him, but I'm done.
Yes, he has unbelievable emotional issues stemming from his childhood and early youth, and he's come incredibly far with them with the shrink. I think it's just those unresolved issues combined with opiate detox that are making the detox itself a thousand times worse than it needs to be. Of course, I'm just the idiot wife who doesn't know squat so he's going to drink himself through detox (HA!) no matter what anyone says.
You know what really sux? I know the real Wolf underneath all this mess. THAT is the man I married - divorced for substance abuse reasons in 1998 - and remarried in 2005. He's still in there wanting to be sober underneath all the alcohol and everything else, but where the HELL am I? Guess I just answered my own question....
Yes, he has unbelievable emotional issues stemming from his childhood and early youth, and he's come incredibly far with them with the shrink. I think it's just those unresolved issues combined with opiate detox that are making the detox itself a thousand times worse than it needs to be. Of course, I'm just the idiot wife who doesn't know squat so he's going to drink himself through detox (HA!) no matter what anyone says.
You know what really sux? I know the real Wolf underneath all this mess. THAT is the man I married - divorced for substance abuse reasons in 1998 - and remarried in 2005. He's still in there wanting to be sober underneath all the alcohol and everything else, but where the HELL am I? Guess I just answered my own question....
Yes, he's been working with a psychologist for a couple years. Unfortunately, he still insists that he can drink or get a buzz "once in a while" because he's done it his entire life and "controlled" it. He doesn't see occasional abuse as an addiction problem unless he has withdrawal. Where have you heard that one before?! Well, I'm off to church. Catch y'all later, and thanks. :-)
Hi Jay,
I just came on and saw this. My heart breaks for you watching this and my heart breaks for Wolf who doesn't yet know that he doesn't have to live like this.
I don't think we have talked about aftercare? I believe he needs to get to the root of his issues to stop the self-destructive behavior. Often the behavior is just as bad as the drug. He has gone through several detoxes, from several different drugs but he is still doing the same thing. Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results".
He has to make changes in order to go forward and live without the emotional pain that he is numbing. He probably doesn't even know he is doing it.
We're here for both of you and I hope he comes on and talks with us. Hang in there ....
I just came on and saw this. My heart breaks for you watching this and my heart breaks for Wolf who doesn't yet know that he doesn't have to live like this.
I don't think we have talked about aftercare? I believe he needs to get to the root of his issues to stop the self-destructive behavior. Often the behavior is just as bad as the drug. He has gone through several detoxes, from several different drugs but he is still doing the same thing. Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results".
He has to make changes in order to go forward and live without the emotional pain that he is numbing. He probably doesn't even know he is doing it.
We're here for both of you and I hope he comes on and talks with us. Hang in there ....
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My apologies in the response delay, regrettably I havent been able to hang around here as often as I would like or should have, but I received Vicki's message. (Thanks as always Vicki!)
Im in Kuwait right now, on my way out the door to the airport to head back to the US tonight, so Ive got to try and make this short... But I will be sure to check in and post back when I get back home tomorrow.
Sub is a real bear to kick, and unfortunately you are finding out right now just how much this is to be true. The tricky thing about it, which is most often misunderstood is that the degree of withdrawals experience is directly correlated to the severity of your previous active addiction (DOC, Frequency of use, and number of previous attempts to quit)
When we begin sub treatment it pretty much stops withdrawals in their tracks, and while it is true that it has its own set of withdrawals, there are studies in the works to show that the vast majority of what you are feeling now is a rebound withdrawal.
Theres some bad news and some good news here.
The bad news is... you may be in for a few more rough weeks. This is such a personal and individual experience that its hard to guage exactly how long.
I was on sub for 2.5 years at 16mgs. When I jumped off, my final dose was 3mgs, and my withdrawal process peaked at 10 days, layed steady for another week, and then VERY slowly got easier over the course of another 2 weeks. By the 4 week period I was able to sleep in 5-6 hour increments uninterrupted, and only had short bouts of that "Ants under the skin feeling"
About 1.5 months after I was feeling as good as new, so the good news is, it shouldnt get any worse, and most certainly will get better!!! Today I have been off Suboxone for 163 days, and I am loving every minute of it!
The meds that your new doc prescribed will help quite a bit, just be sure to take them as directed.
As far as the alcohol.... indeed it is a bad idea. Your brain is a storm of neuro chemicals all trying to balance themselves out, and adding a Central nervous system depressant into the mix certainly wont make things easier in the long run.
I've gotta jet (Literally) You are doing amazingly well! Hang in there and keep relying on that awesome wife you have there for support. Shes your strongest weapon combined with yourself in your recovery arsenal!!!
I'll be back here later on!
HenryS