Suboxone

[PAULY7951]

Good evening everyone, i was on 40mgs. of methadone and did not take any for 4 days after the 4th day i started to take suboxone i ook a total of 8mgs.I thought i was going to die.My upper part of my body was seemed to be burning on the insides.I had the chills, i felt like things were crawling on me. I never felt like that, even when i went c/t. Can any one tell me why? Should i try subtex? Please help. Thank you  
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[krati]

get on methadone...if you're hurting that bad...i've been on methadone and suboxone - the reason i switched ...i wanted the doctor's office setting..insurance to cover it, and i wanted fewer withdrawals coming down...which suboxone is supposed to do
sounds like you really need methadone...it kind of gives you a buzz...it also is prescribed for pain...and it is less dangerous on your body then oxy's dilaudid and morphine and all that jazz (which i've dabbled in all of the above as well)
in your situation, you could probably get methadone perscribed to you without having to deal with all the crackheads at a clinic.  
good luck in your endeavors

oh yeah..and thank you for the info about soma
i was googling suboxone and soma..debating wether or not to take it..lol
i'm glad you wrote that or i would have been sicker then a dog at work tonight

[wait2long]

sorry hun, dilaudid is about the ONLY drug i could never get my hands on, so i dont know much about it other than i have heard its a rough one to get off it.  and you are right about the other drug in suboxone, its called naloxone? (i think) and its purpose is so it cant be abused by I.V. drug users, i too was concerned about about the naloxone?, but my doctor and numerous sites about suboxone have stated that it does not effect you at all whatsoever if put under your tongue and used the proper way, but at the same time i also heard of people having ultra sensitivity to naloxone and were unable to continue on suboxone for that reason. and by the way i am new to this site too...i used to take anything i could get my hands on for fun and for pain also, i started on strictly methadone in sept. of 2006,  and used only methadone until end of may, been on suboxone since. i would have to say for myself and my experience methadone was what worked best for me and i hope if i am unsuccessful with sticking to the suboxone , i really hope i can get my methadone back...i might be screwed on that one. my advice to you would be to go back on oxy for 2-4 weeks and then try suboxone again, its only really difficult to switch from long acting opiod like methadone that stays in your system for weeks compared to oxy that is gone in under 24 hrs...  good luck and i hope you find what you need and works for you

[PeaceSeeker]

Hey There -

I am new here - but I just wanted to let you know that I went to detox in January - before entering the program, I was asked if I had been Methadone free for at least three months.  Luckily, and I say that lightly, I had switched back to Oxy like six months before.  It was explained to me that they would not even take Methadone users due to the fact that they used Subutex.  Subutex worked great - I never even hadc much withdrawl.  I did not realize it at the time, but now it makes sense in reading these letters.  I had been clean for about a month and the back pain was worse than ever.  I was put back on Soma and continued to take the Subutex with no problem.  However, when that Subutex ran out, I went to an "addiction specialist", (I also use that lightly) Pfff - more like an flipping idiot.  Anyway, knowing I was taking Soma he stated that he would continue the Subutex - something happened when they called the insurance for pre-auth and they got Suboxone.  I was not happy and phoned them back to ask if they could get the pre auth on Subutex as it worked very well for me and did I did not want to go to another med.  The jerk said no it was too much trouble to have his staff call again.  I got the Suboxone in desperation and it put me into an immediate drug withdrawl like I had never experienced before.  There is an added drug in Suboxone which is not in Subutex that if you have even the slightest amount of drug in you system - including Soma - it sends your whole body into a spin.  I thought I was gonna die.  Then a couple of months later I read an article in the paper regarding Suboxone andf it basically said that some doctors are insisting on this as opposed to Subutex because they get a bit kick back and that it is not the miracle drug that some are trying to sell.  I don't mean to be neagative; however, I just want everyone to be careful with that one.

To make a long story short, I ended up going back to OXy as I had been on it for so long I did not even know what my pain level was without it prior to detox.  I ended up having two back surgeries in April and May - I was given Oxy and Dilaudid in the hospital, which did not work well due to my tolerance.  I thought I was gonna die from the pain when I came home - I went through 185 OXy's in 8 days.  

Then at the end of his rope as well as mine the doctor agreed to switch me to Dilaudid which I have taken since that time.  I am now trying to wean myself off - I still have Suboxone - but I would not take that stuff again if HELL froze over.  I am not sure how to go about weaning off of Dilaudid - if anyone knows, please let me know.  I have been taking 4 to 5, 4mg tabs q. day since the second week of May and have been trying to do 2 tabs a day for the last few days.  I feel okay - not great but okay - I plan to use Dilaudid through the month of August to get off it then hopefully - the pain will not be bad enough to require Rx drugs.  

Anyway I really hope that my experience with the new "addict drugs"  helps someone and if anyone has any experience weaning off of Dilaudid please help.   Take care everyone.

[wait2long]

yes the reason you get so sick from the switch from methadone to suboxone is the fact it can take up 30 days for methadone to free your body and if you dont wait long enough, then when you take the suboxone it is combattive with the methadone that is left in your receptors. so an easier way to understand it is the methadone and suboxone "fight" each other to fill your receptors (and neither one can win) so you are in a sense put into immediate withdrawals(look up preciptated withdrawals) (and it is similar to rapid detox, its bad but not forever..) because nothing has entered your receptors and you will experience a good dose of "cold turkey" for 3-4 days, longer for people who are on a higher dose of methadone, like i said i only took 20 mg. of methadone daily, so the doc. said i was a good candidate, it is not recommended for people who take more than 30 mg of methadone a day, i am no expert, this is just what i have learned and been told in my own experience, it could be different for all of you wanting to try it... for me i just want my methadone back.. and please, please do your research before switching, i did and i knew what i was in for, but committed to try to make it work for me....  i have also heard some people say they actually get a sort of "buzz" from suboxone,and it hasnt happened for me and i was on 28mg-32mg for about2 weeks, i cant even sleep at night anymore,  IT SUCKS!!!   sorry for the negativity, i just hope someone finds this info helpful.   love to all and thanks for listening...

[wait2long]

no i took nothing else, i took my last 20mg. dose of methadone on a sunday morning, and took nothing else until friday late morning when i took my first dose of suboxone, and i was put into precipitated withdrawal immediately, and was severly sick for 4 days, all i can say about suboxone is that i am exsisting... i am not "physically" sick, but i am so mentally screwed up i wonder if this is even worth it, (never mind the cost of suboxone $170.00 for 30 8 mg pills (and i take 16 mg - 20 mg.) compared to $25.00 for 100 10mg. methadone pills) somehow that doesnt seem fair to me...but anyway i promised myself and family i would give it a good 6 month trial period before giving up...4 MORE TO GO?!   i sure do miss the security of methadone, and also being able to function was a definate plus...and all of my phobias and panic/anxiety disorders and agoraphobia have  been 10 times worse since stopping methadone...does anyone know of anyone who has been successful switching from methadone to suboxone?   and if so ..how long has their success lasted??  thank you for listening...

[bdoon]

Youse got sick because methadone stays in your system much longer than you think...for days and days. I was using oxy and had to stop for 12 hours prior to the bupe. Still got a little sick but oxy leaves the system quick (it was 30 mg oxycodone...I had stopped the oxycontin 3 days earlier). The second day I used the bupe I felt normal (it was 8 mg bupe). The third day I actually felt a little loaded. The 4th day they cut me down to 4 mg and I felt a little rough. The 5th day it was 4 mgs again and I felt great all day. I am on 2 mgs now and tomorrow is my last day. The drug is incredible but if you take it for maintenance it will string you out just like oxys, morphine or methadone.