Suboxone

[PAULY7951]

Good evening everyone, i was on 40mgs. of methadone and did not take any for 4 days after the 4th day i started to take suboxone i ook a total of 8mgs.I thought i was going to die.My upper part of my body was seemed to be burning on the insides.I had the chills, i felt like things were crawling on me. I never felt like that, even when i went c/t. Can any one tell me why? Should i try subtex? Please help. Thank you  
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[Oneofus]

My post just before PAULY'S last one should answer your question "...how is the subox doing you?"  If not, as I said, I am happy to answer any specific questions.  One minor (but significant) point -- the "sub" is not suboxone in my case.  It is in PAULY'S.  You may already have noted that.  My script is Subutex.
:-)
Rider

[PAULY7951]

I fell asleep after I took the 30mgs. But when I woke up 5hrs. later I felt OK. I am back to my 40mgs, and I feel great. I am scared **** to try suboxone again. I will call the Dr. on Monday and see what he has to say and what my options are. Thank you for the info.

[awakan]

Rider how is the subox doing you? I just read your post from earlier and thought I would ask..I thought about trying it cause I did not want to wrestle with the gorilla again but every thing I take seems to make my life worse..If I like it presto i'm strung out like a sugar mill jackass in no time..So I have to go cold every time or risk my mind playing tricks on me, It is just like me to go back on methadone after being off for years I am so good at lying to myself telling myself that this time will be different well I was partly right it was not the same this time it was harder to stop. What makes people like us all of us here on this site so good at bullshitin ourselves..Were dope fiends and it's our job, I need a new occupation.. well all I am off to a meeting to carouse with my fellow addicts, I hope you all are around later will talk then. Hang in their..pauly, oneofus,serenity,fish and everyone I did not have time to mention but you know who you are....till the wheels come off a-wakan

[Oneofus]

Hi Bro.  Well, I did try it.  I'm somewhat okay, not nearly what I/we went though last time, but definitely nothing to hold the presses for.  I started after I was kicking pretty hard (about 12 hours after my last dose of oxy/hydro) and increased gradually taking 2 mg, an hour apart, for three hours.  I'm not going to go into a lot of detail (unless there's anything specific you would like to know, and I will be happy to answer any questions).  I'm about 10 hrs into it and have taken a total of 22 mg.  About the only thing positive I can say about it is it is definitely better than kicking -- no question.  

But...It comes on lousy.  I had moments when I thought, "OH God no!  I've done it again.  I'm going to have a serious reaction."  Upper body heat, horrible anxiety, spaciness, sweats.  And you know the fear that brings.  But, after about 10 or 15 minutes, suddenly, all at once, it all stopped and a feeling of calm came over me.  Each time.  But not enough to bring me "home."  Methadone is always so cool (to me).  No matter how strung I have been, no matter what I have been taking, no matter how bad I feel -- good ol' methadone comes and gets me, spoons me gently up, carries me all the way back home, puts a smile on my face and gives me my life back all wrapped in beautiful cosmic energy.  Not this stuff.  I can see that, if you want to put in a few days -- four or five days -- maybe a week -- it will probably "grow on you," and maybe work quite well.  

But it ain't me now.  I can tell that if I take more it won't help, and I don't feel particularly well right now.  If I had to function, I could, but my heart isn't into anything.  Were you able to feel the 30 mg of dones you took when you got back home?  I think what I am going to do is -- at least for now -- go back to methadone.  I am just wondering how long the 22 mg of bupe I have in my system right now is going to prevent it (methadone) from taking effect.  Anything you can offer me as to how long I should wait?

How are you right now, and what have you been taking?
Yer Bro,
Rider

[awakan]

Serenity knowing your going to use before you even leave is the very mind game that defeats us but I do understand it. Yes do what you feel you have to do I was not aware you also were on psyc meds..And sometimes our best thinking can be good if we temper our own truths like in your case your truth in treatment was you knew you were going to use when you got out..Knowing that truth put you in a position to either give in to that or say since I know I am going to want to use when I get out I will protect myself by doing?? So if your doctors are helping and that is the truth only you know and have to base your treatment on that truth..I wish you hope and a vision of who you want to be.................Still crazy after all these years...a-wakan

[serenitysaves]

I hate when I do this, I just wrote out a post then pressed "back to forum" so there goes my post.
anyway, yes meth to sub might sound crazy, but where I'm from its somewhat comman.  I have'nt seen to many people do well in the end though.  I will continue to listen to my doctors and take in their feedback, because my best thinking got me here.  I'm scared because last time I thought I did everything right, but I was'nt on my psych med's so this time I'm working with my psycholist.   That's the one thing I did'nt do last time.  I was clean for a year before my taper, involed in N/A (it really was my life) and finally went into treatment to be in a safe environment I was there 21 days, I left a week early because I talked a good game, but I knew I was going to use before I left.

anyway I just pray this time goes faster and well.
take care