USEING OPIATES TO DETOX OFF ,METHADONE ,HELP!!!

[ralphie]

IM NEW AS OF YESTERDAY AND POSTED THIS ALREADY TODAY BUT I GUESS PEOPLE WORK DAY JOBS AND CANT ANSWER ME AS FAST AS I HOPE (THATS NOT A DIG) IVE BEEN TRYING TO ACCUMILATE SOME MEDS LAST NIGHT AND LAST NIGHT I HAD A FRIEND GIVE ME, NOT SELL ME 3 BIG BAGS OF HEROINE. ACTUALLY 4 I DID 1 LAST NIGHT BECAUSE ITS BEEN LIKE 12 DAYS THAT IVE BEEN OFF THE METHADONE I NEEDED A BREAK 1 DAY OF NO PAIN, BUT AFTER TALKING TO ALEXANDRA SHE SAID BESIDES THE RECIPE TO TRY AND WEEN MYSELF WITH SOME PILLS NOTHING TO STRONG THOUGH, IVE ACCUMALATED THROUGH SOME GREAT FRIENDS 20 VIKES (7.5)--4 PERCS(5'S) 2 DILAUDIDS(THE 2'S ?)AND IVE ALSO GOT 10 XANAX BARS(2MGS)IVE GOT A VITAMIN B COMPLEX(BOTTLE) A CALCIUM TAB(BOTTLE) MULTI VIT, SOME 500 MG C TABS NOW I KNOW I NEED MORE STUFF FOR THE RECIPE BUT THE QUESTION IS THE HEROINE CAN I USE THAT FOR THE TAPER ? YOU KNOW LIKE TAKE THE SMALL PACKET AND BREAK IT INTO 2-3DOSES PER BAG A BUMP IN THE AM AND ONE AT NIGHT THEN START WITH THE PILLS LET ME KNOW PLEASE!! ITS FUNNY ALL THEESE DRUGS CAME TO ME FREE FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW IM KIKIN METHADONE AND SEE HOW BAD I AM, I DIDNT USE AT ALL WHEN I WAS ON THE METH TILL THE END WHEN I WAS DETOXING, IM A PRO DRUMMER AND ON GIG NIGHTS I NEEDED TO SUPPLEMENT MY DOSE TO PERFORM,IM ON SIC LEAVE NOW NEEDLESS TO SAY MY FIANCE IS THE SINGER AND LEADER SO SHE IS FULLY SUPPORTIVE AND PROUD OFF ME THANK GOD SHE LOVES ME    PEACE...

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[candle07]

HELP! I was given methadone and didn't know it was addictive ... stupid i know. My doc didn't tell me it was addictive, i ran out and he left the state to practice back east. I'm dying, the only way i'm writing is because i got some vicodine. I'm a health nut, or use to be ( Natural childbirth ... not even an aspirin) I went from 80 mill's to ZERO. I can't drive, walk, eat, drink, think, and will be out of these vic's tomorrow, haven't slept for 8 days ... shakes, leg terrors, headaches, chills, 95.1 temp, ungodly pain and would rather die than endure this any longer.
I have no doc connections because I'm healthy otherwise and new to the area with no insurance and to top it off......I have a dying son to care for, he's in the end stage CF (lung and liver failure)
Has anyone ever detoxed at home and if so ...how? I have to function somewhat. Valium, vitimins, tylenol, soma, didn't help. I haven't worked in a week or taken care of my son, we'll both die if I can't figure this out ... crazy stupid...i know. help please. anyone...

[cleanupforme]

how are you doing? twas good to read your comments. i never got onto the meth treatment and it looks like it will stay that way.
i have to see my doctor tomorrow so i'll see what he has to offer. i've read all bad feedback about the methadone so i dont really want to try that, and end up sick from w/d. so how are you doing? are you still kickin the meth? kickin the h was a nightmare at least prescription drugs dont seem to give you w/d's
like that. well gotta go. take care.................

[cleanupforme]

autumn , my doctor prescribed me clonodine and bentyl. if you know . will this help? i,ve been clean for almost a month from heroine . but i sometime get a bad craving for oxys or opiates. i did relapse twice recently but want to get back on track. im looking for some answers. it was good to read your letter.
thanks.

[Autymn]

Hello I know u arent going to want to hear this but I have experienced methadone withdrawl..I was physically addicted to pain killers and was taking them for medical reasons not to get high but regardless of why my body was still going to suffer withdrawls. I never took the pills in high amounts just a period of years for pain I never took more than 8 per day which was the limit to prevent tylenol overdose so they put me on methadone to detox I had doubts about it and told them I wanted 21 day detox only but they refused and told me they have maintance only so I agreed to detox but didnt plan to stay on it forever like they want people to. They put me all the way to 115mg that stuff was terrible made me throw up and I had to take medicine to prevent me from throwing up made me gain weight etc it was worse than the pain killers I could have weaned off myself. After 8 months and I started just weaning down myself whether they wanted me to or not I got tired of them trying to push me to keep taking it..finally one day I went in mad and said Im done this is my last dose they tried to scare me etc saying u will be running back in three days in pain begging for more and i told them no I wont Im finished and I proved them all wrong never went back except to sign my withdrawl paperwork and they thought i was coming in for a dose and I said nope they were shocked. I knew I was going to be suffering agony and feel like I was dying but I made myself suffer on purpose. I will never forget this ever I suffered the worst pain it felt like all my bones were coming out of my body, sharp pain all over my body, vomiting, diarrhea, insomnia, uncontrollable muscle movements, anxiety, depression, weight loss, loss of appetite, shaking, weakness, irritable, severe muscle cramping all over among other ones I may have not mentioned this is the worse pain I have ever experienced I laided there and suffered curled up in pain 24/7 for two weeks straight. The first two weeks are the worse and then u just have mild symptoms and they start to get better and it takes about six months for your natural pain endorphines to return to normal or maybe longer for some..I refused to go get any pain killers, go to any doctors etc cause all u are doing is prolonging the withdrawl process..in my opinion and with my medical knowledge and this is if u have someone to help u, u cant do it alone u are too sick, I had my mother and ex boyfriend helping me. Its better to just drop all the opiates and if u do need alittle help from your doctor he can prescribe u some muscle relaxers that arent addictive to help with cramps and sleep, also u can take some melatonin a natural sleep aid over the counter, phenagren for nausea, maybe imodium for diarrhea, an antidepressant to help with your depression, anxiety symptoms, or clonidine(its a blood pressure medicine but also used for withdrawls and adhd) this helps with cravings, sweats, shakes. These are all non addictive so they can help alleviate the symptoms and make it easier...I didnt use anything I just suffered and I have a very low tolerance to pain I dont know how I got through it but I did and I will never forget it and I did this to make me think that when I have to take a pain killer I take it as needed and then it gets put away and I have control now they prescribed me demerol pills after surgery I took them two days after i came home and was still in pain but took aspirin and put the demerol away cause in my mind I thought this pain is nothing compared to what I would suffer if I kept taking the demerol and its not worth it..I know this may not be some advice some people would want to hear but this is my story and let me tell u it worked and I have absolutely no cravings to take pain meds, or methadone and I do not need NA meetings or sponsers to stay off them I can do it I know I can its set in my mind to say no way Im not going there again period.. I am currently taking another addictive medication called dexedrine but I have attention defeceit hyperactivity disorder and it works for me well I am seeing a phychiatrist that prescribes it to me and I dont abuse it..I feel if there is a medicine that u need to take for a certain reason that it shouldnt be a problem if u need to for a medical condition but if u are taking more than prescribed then there is a problem and when someone suffers chronic pain everyday then its tough cause u dont know what to do if u stop u think im going to suffer...there are some alteritives also that u can do and take the meds when it gets severe..acupuncture, reflexology involving pressure points to control pain, trigger point injections to numb the area that lasts a few weeks..chiropractic care, physical therapy and massage and u can go to pain management clinic and they should have other alternatives, also they have some natural herbs to help also dont know the names off hand. Also forgot to add while withdrawling from methadone make sure that u take these vitamins...vitamin c for immune system, b-12 for energy and nerves, calcium for bones and teeth, potassium for muscle spasms, magnesium for concentration and mental alertness..take everyday to build your system back up to better health...also valarian root is a natural relaxer in case u suffer anxiety. Sorry this is so long but wanted to share my story with other addicts to try to help those who need it and I really hope my story will help someone not saying everyone can do this the way I did because its not easy and Im the biggest whimp there is with pain but Im proud of myself for once that I made it through this and six months later still clean and feel much better now..Good luck to everyone out there and if anyone has any further questions feel free to ask or just someone to talk to besides being a recovering addict I have alot of medical training and know alot about medicines and conditions etc so I will be glad to answer any questions...thanks autymn

[Devodownunder]

Hi guys hows it going?  Im so glad your not on Meth cleanup, it is horrible to come, worse than heroin, or any other drug to come off. And it really is just replacing the other drug your addicted to. Are you doing ok today? dont forget to just take one day at a time, and dont stress out. Get freinds around you and family. I have no real close friends here, so this forum is a Godsend for me. Take care. I hope your alright today 2 sipping its nice and sunny over here, and its the first month of spring, i love spring time, all the flowers come out and the trees get their leaves. Its beautiful. I live in New Zealand, land of the long white cloud. Beatiful country. Come over and see it some time, camp up with me. See ya, Deb.

[cleanupforme]

hi deb . how are you doing ? gotta go ..................
bye
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[puna]

Hi, sounds like youre doing very well..Now that your back at work, youll be too tired to get messed up. I dont drink much but i use too and i did heroin for many years but was about 10 yrs ago.  Now i just occasionally get strung out on pills or in the last time it was tussinex, which is a very strong cough med with hydrocodone and a few other things that are very addictive. The buzz  from this is much better than pills and harder to witdrawal from but its been almost 10 days and im starting to feel much better.  I dont have a problem with drinking and think its because im working and i just cant function with a hangover or maybe im just not an aloholic but an addict.  Either way, im trying my best to succeed in life and these drugs have held me back my entire adult life!  Its time to throw in the towel and get my life back and god i hope im strong enough.. Kind of a long winded message, lol, hope i didnt bore you.  Cya soon Deb

[puna]

Thanks Patrick, nice to share with you. Im sure a few meetings would be great for me.. Unfortunately with my work skedule i dont have much time for them.. Im thinking of taking sat and sun off next shift bid at work and going to church. I enjoy the surmons when i do go, which isnt often lately.. The pastor at this church my husband goes to is a former drug user himself.. Altho i doubt he was an opiate junkie.. I think he was more into cocaine, you know, the party scene.. Hes pretty funny and i always feel better when i hear what he has to say.  I attended AA meetings in the past but i dont have a problem with alcohol and altho the meetings were good for me, i didnt get that connection of needed from people who could relate to the opiate fixation.  Im so glad i found this forum for now and so far im doing good too.. Has been over a week and all i suffer from now is a bit of sneezing and not sleeping too well.  Hope your doing good and lets keep intouch.. thanks deb

[cleanupforme]

deb, how are you tonight? im glad to hear from you again. my problem was heroin and alcohol. its not easy but people tell me just dont pick up a drink and thats what im doing - and its working. it seems like youre trying to beat the opiates- is that heroin or oxys or what ?  well im too tired to write. i just got a full time job after collecting unemployment benefits for 9 months.  im happy to be back to work making some real money. hope things work out for you. write back . let me know how things are working out. so long for now..........................
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[cleanupforme]

deb, thanks for your thoughts.  i couldnt believe my doctor wanted to give me meth either- and i wanted to say yes and a little red devil jumped up on my shoulder but i thought and new i better not get meth or i would be right back where i didnt want to be. if you want to get clean i can only suggest you try an AA meeting or else an n/a meeting-just a suggestion. its working for me. let me know if i can help. i'd like to help anyone out if i can. hope to talk to you soon.
Patrick

[puna]

Hi it was nice of you to write back.  Sounds like your on the right track and im so glad for you choosing not to do the meth.  From what ive read on these post about meth w/d, i cant believe any doctor would suggest it.  Only a very seriously addicted person who has tried every other means should take the meth.  Im sure is very contraversal sub and some people really have to use meth. Anyway, you hang in there as i will and Happy Labor Day! Deb

[cleanupforme]

deb, it was good to here some positive feedback about the methadone. i am struggling today and its 3 weeks since i've used any drugs-except alcohol- 2weeks.  but i still never got on the meth like my doctor " suggested" but like my brother said - the doctor doesn't know what Alcoholics Anonymous is all about and i really want to be clean- my head is nice and clear, and its a good feeling! i have a craving for opiates too but i've been able to not do any-and i know how you feel (i think) and it's not easy. as far as the liquid forms i'm not sure if its stonger taking it that way, orally-it depends on the dosage and how much you take i would think. i'm driving my fiance' nuts over this whole situation detoxing but she still is there for me so keep on pluggin and good luck. nice to hear from you. i hope i can keep up the good work too. but it aint easy......................my friends and family help to keep me clean
happy labor day.  cleanupforme


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[puna]

Both u guys are remarkable people!  Reading your post has helped me alot.. I never new much about methadone, had no idea it would be harder to w/d than herion.  CLeanup, after what ralphy said about his w/ds, id definately not take any meth. Ive been clean from heroin for many years, mainly cos its not around. Id had to leave my enviroment to stop.  Leaving Hawaii was not an easy thing to do, lol.  But it worked for me.  Still i have a thing for opiates and guess i always will.  Trying to stay off the pills, the tussinex, ect ect.  But it seems like something always tempts me back.  Today im on my fifth day clean from tussinex and it wasnt an easy w/d. Im wondering if taking something in liquid form via mouth such as meth or tussinex, makes it harder to w/d.?? Humm, anyone know?? Good luck to you both, life is so much better when youre clean!  Deb

[cleanupforme]

ralphie, thanks a million. i needed to hear from someone like you who had 1st hand experience. i just came from an AA meeting and bumped into a buddy who told me not to try the methadone treatment either- he was surprised my doctor even asked me if i thought i needed methadone- especially after i told him i just got out of detox. i really want to get clean and sober because life was becoming unmanageable and nonproductive--i was never like that before i started using. i thought that methadone might actually help me, but now i think that's just the disease trying to creep up on me - it's sneaky like that, so i've been told. i don't want to even attempt the 20 day trial if there is such a plan- but thanks for the feedback. it's been 17 days since i've used heroine, oxy's - over 90 days clean! alcohol- 10 days clean today. my doc said in three weeks he may want to initiate an anti- depressant drug -- i don't think so! i'd like a second opinion please. my own. let me know if i could give you my thoughts on anything. you really gave me something to think about- sobriety.
thanks.  cleanupforme.

[cleanupforme]

these 3 messages  were for you ralphie--hope you're doing alright
thanks

[cleanupforme]

ralphie,i  hope you're o.k. i start a new job on wednesday.i hope i make it thru the day. i'm finally clean. AA is working. take care of yourself. you'll be alright. write back.
peace.   patrick.

[ralphie]

hey there im going through the methadone detox now, worse than heroine w/d by a long shot but maybe your doc has a good short term plan with it but im just totaly against any methadone use! im not a pro but i kicked heroine twicw cold turkey and hydros then the last time i tried kicking vicodins i was talked into the methadone program   big mistake  but some other people might know more about a thing called the 20 day plan   it wasnt known or offered to me but if youve been clean for dope 10 days the worste is over and the alchahol ,  will be easier to stop when the opiates are gone im sure ive never had an alcahol problem but i couldnt imagine kickin 2 totaly different things at once    good luck  just think teice no 3 times before you go the meth route  please   peace ralphie

[cleanupforme]

i'm looking for help ! i got out of a detox on 08/14/02 for alcohol and heroin abuse. originally i was doing oxys - 20-40 mg. a day, for over a year. my doctor just prescribed me clonodine and bentyl. he asked me if i needed methadone. i told him i didn't know - (he's the doctor) i have been off heroine since 08/10/02-completely !  i slipped and had 2 beers over a week ago 08/17/02. i'm still feeling crappy sometimes-but i'm clean and going to AA 5-6 nights a week. i'm also looking for work and my mind isn't into it. (telecommunications)
everynight i wake up sweating and have to change my t-shirt. the doc said i was detoxing still- most likely. would methadone help me from feeling this way? i'm often feeling down, and i'm not sure why he suggested methadone.  whats your thoughts ? thanks.
an addict.

[Natasha1]

EVERYONE, PLEASE EXCUSE MY SPELLING FROM HERE ON OUT :-) I am 39. Will be 40 on Christmas day. I had been diagnosed with endromitriosuS when I was 26. Had very bad periods from the start. I started when I was 9. I had to have a total hystorectomy at 28. When I woke up from the surgery I had instant hot flashes and sweats. No fun. I took premerin for the first 3 years. The lil burgandy ones, lowest dose. Then the doc retired, I got some lady who told me I did not need them and took me off. I had nothing until last year. During that time of nothing, my skin became dry, painful intercourse and I was heading towards osteo. My new doc put me on the Vellve patch. It is much better now. I change them every three days and if I forget the flashes remind me really quick. Menopause is not helping my vicoden problem but, it could be a lot worse. Good luck. I never wanted to give birth but I'm a damn good step mom and now grandmother since Feb 16 of this year.

[mismike]

OH JULLIE I am so glad you posted that question I too am going through withdraw at times, i am trying to get clean, and i am going through premenopause, i am taking the injection Lupron for the treatment of endometriosis and a tumor in my uterus, and you know how menopause is , hotflashes and night sweats and mood swings from hell! I am only 28 and going through this, i am most likely going to be having a complete hysterectomy soon, and if i am clean before that i dont know what i will do when i have to start the pain meds after surgery, because ther eis no way in hell i can have surgery and take something like motrin for pain, just wont help i am sure of it. If you find anything at all out about withdraw and menopause please let me know. my email addy is ***@****  feel free to email me at any time. It will be great to talk with someone who is going through what i am .oh yes if anyone is not familiar with lupron injections it is also used to treat patients with prostate cancer, my grandfather is taking them also and what it does to women is shuts their ovaries down so the estrogen wont flow which the endometriosis feeds off of. Which puts a woman into early menopause. I hope to hear from you soon.
Peace be with you ,
Mis

[koalabear]

I am also detoxing off methadone, but controlled with my doctor's help.  I don't know if this will help anyone or not.

I am taking 2-5mg tablets 4x/day.  He is substituting one dose of my methadone every three days with Lortab.  So today, my 4:00 dose will be Lortab.  In 3 days, my 12:00 and my 4:00 dose will be Lortab, until I have completely switched over to the Lortab.  Then we will wean off that completely.  I did not want to withdraw from the methadone.

I have only been on it for 3 weeks, and I have felt terrible ever since.  I've lost 12 lbs.  I can't eat anything and just feel horrible.

So, if you were wondering how a doctor would detox off meth to opiates, that's how he's having me do it.

Koala

[ralphie]

good morning, well i did some of the dope i had last night but i got rid of the rest this morning,gave it back to the lady who gave it to me,  the pills i have, i did not touch, my better half will be home monday from  her dads wedding that i had to skip out on because of my withdrawals ,i told her last night im still sick and it may be another month even before i feel better, and she said "so it takes another month you didnt get this way overnight did you"i know i shouldnt have used but the sickness was so bad and being home alone this week, well, i needed a break,i know thats a cop out, im just hoping  that by useing after being sick and clean for 10 days from the methadone, that i dont have to staart over, you know what i meen?i hope the meth. was still coming out of my body while i was using other opiates to taper. i was doing a bump before bed so i could sleep  ,after not sleeping more than 3 hrs. in a 3 day stretch it felt nice to sleep 10 hrs last night but tommorow it will start over again im sure its been 2 weeks almost since my last dose of methadone for 10 days i did no drugs but the last few days i slipped ,i cant wait till this is done and i can play my music again i cant even hold my drum sticks they got heavy!!! ha ha, im going to a meeting tonight thats the only thing my girl is insisting on im so glad i found this site and all of you people ill be here all day so ill talk to you all soon   peace

[1fortheroad]

my first impulse is to say DON'T do it.  however, i can't judge you, and i've done lots of things that weren't the right things to do.  i wish i had a good suggestion, but all i can say is be safe.  keep posting, and let us know how you are doing.