ain't love grand? now about addiction...

[groovygirl]

I had to say something about the ongoing soap opera/love story that is unfolding here on the addiction forum.  Although it is nice, sweet etc etc etc, it IS another thing to sift through to get to the answers most of us are looking for.  I personally wouldn't want my love life discussed on an addiction forum, but I guess it's different strokes for different folks.

I have a question about addiction...What is in Ultram that makes it so addicting?  It isn't a narcotic...right?

[druggienomo]

I dont know why i am asking these questions anyway. I guess I am feeling sorry for myself. OK im snapped out of that...I am glad to hear from all the addicts here. I know I am not alone. I guess none of us expected to be an addict. sometimes I feel like I am the only normal one on the planet. You would think the whole detox/rehab thing would be humbling enough. Mariposa and friends..keep up the fight. A lot of us need all the help we can get. I think my shrink said this..."I hold the Doctor responsible..and you accountable." But..who knows..I am the one who abused the stuff..Just because I had a script for most of it is no excuse. Ive said enough..makes me feel better to say this stuff. Life sure is different without opiates. Kinda different..kinda better..kinda worse..
Later
druggie no mo

[druggienomo]

I am new here, but does Jesse work for medhelp? I sure hope this is not a on-line lovers chat room. I know I am still not out of the woods yet, and from what I am reading,many others are not either. I wondered what all that language stuff was to suze. If they have a thing going..why talk about it here?
still foggy
Later
druggie no mo

[groovygirl]

He has nothing to do with the adminstration of this board.  It was a strange name for him to pick, and it has confused a lot of people.  I personally think he should change it to something else.  I don't know the answer to your other question...I've wondered the same thing.

[hippy]

hi maraposa, it has been a rough day for me, i explain in a min.
1st the ultram is considered a non-narcotic pain med. my docter
who knows i am an addict has given it to me over the years, then he swiched it to ultracet they both do the same thing , they help with the pain , but tolerence builds fast, the down side is the withdrawls are very painfull , worse the vikes.
i will say that when i ever ran out of vikes i would take the ultram and it would get rid of the vike withdrawls.
ith ultram is not a drug that ever gave me a buzz it was more and uncomfortable feeling. they are a lot easier to taper off of than vikes and percs.
As as far as my day i went to visit younger sister who lives in prinston JEW JERSY  her 5 year old so has just been diagnosed
with musclular dsystrefy , sorry for the horrable spelling.
any way my heart is broken for my little nefyou.
while i was there her was trying to make his bed to show his mom he could do it by himself, i looked in and saw him struggling to get it done so he could make his mom proud of him. it brought me to tears, he cant even button his shirt buttons.
well he has to go through a lot of testing in the next few weeks.
any way i will be praying for him. i got him a little bot bible and a book about charile brown with a freind with a illness,
and i got him some spiderman cars to play with.
life can be so tough , he thinks god is punishing him so i
spent some time talking to him regarding this delema.
i told him how much i love him and started teaching him how to play chess. i also got him a chess board.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[druggienomo]

Thx for the information. I actually thought he was a Doctor for a while. We never know who we are talking to here. It takes me a while to know who cares and is in need of help. I think this is the most informative place I have found about addiction.
When I went in for detox/rehab I had no idea what to expect. If I had read this before,it would have been a real help. Then again, I may not have gone.
Anyway..that monkey is a distant 26 day memory now. If he tries to jump on me..Im gonna take his head off!!
Later
druggie no mo

[druggienomo]

Hey, I don't know you,but I feel for you. That has to be tough. You did a lot for him, he will understand how much you cared one day. Keep up the fight my Brother.
Later
druggie no mo

[LTR]

I check-in every now and again to see what everyone is up to and what the topic is.  Ultram addiction is not something i would ever wish upon anyone.  Yes, i understand that various people handle different things in different ways, but I do know what this drug put me through.  Went from 3 a day to 18 a day in less then a year.  In the beginning is seemed so harmless (sounds familiar in this forum).  
If I remember correctly, I did not even like it that much. Towards the end I could not function without it leading to a siezure in the middle of the night with my wife and over ten firemen in my bedroom.  the next week was pure hell, I've taken hydrocodone, methadone, fentynal patches, percocet, a month in the hospital on a morphine pump, etc., and not had this problems.  I have had the withdrawal feelings from these things (i never really took them too long)- drug of choice Ultram.  This will make no sense to anyone that has not been in the same boat- I assure you, but those that had will agree it is terrible.  The only good thing about the ultram withdrawal was it was swift, lasted a week or maybe a little more- but it was hell so Please be Careful.

-ps:  I recall the conversation i had with my Dr. about four years ago about the Ultram when he prescribed it.  He looked it up, stated it was not addicting nor was it a narcotic.  I was prescribed them like tic tacs (nine per day)- of course i abused them after that.  Over a year later-post seizure- he looked it up again and it had changed not only in the description of the drug but the class.

[hippy]

thanx , i really  am gratefull for your support.
i hope you are well. you sound like your doing great.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! michael/ hippy

[percsnomas]

Hey Michael from Philly....kind of been buried in my mother in law deal, but i just read about you're nephew....Ouch.
My heart and support goes out to you, you're sister and of course you're nephew. Kids are so damn precious; there are not words to describe....
Take Care

Percs No More

[cheermom]

you had asked me if during my adderall "time" if i had problems with my hair falling out.  i didnt experience that but i've always had long, thick hair and i got it cut short(shoulder length) during my addiction time.  what i have noticed is that it really has not grown very much in the past 9 months or so.  i used to have to get my hair cut about every 8-10 wks and i mean really cut.  the thickness still grows in but the length barely grows at all.  does anyone know anything about this being a possible side effect?

also as far as lips splitting in the corners...i didnt have that but my finger would split on the tips.  it was so painful.  i bought every kind of cream available and then finally went to the dr they hurt so bad.  he put it off to cold weather, cleaning, etc.  it finally cleared up probably after i stopped using, i really dont remember.

[vikequeen]

When your lips or corners of your mouth split it is called angular cheilosis and its a vitamin deficincy(spelling) something I learned in dental school, I am currently taking ultram for vike w/d I know all teh dangers and I only take 2 at a time I mean taking more is futile because they do not give me a high, I also have like 8 10 mg vals, and like 80 klonopin so I am ok just very depressed . The dr gave me luvox for that but I keep forgetting to take it. well good wishes to all love Badd

[lisabet]

Hippee - it saddens me to read about your nephew. The little guy and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. It made me cry to read about him trying to make up his bed. Children are so resilent and have so much more strength than we adults do. We wonder why things like this happen to pure innocent children; I wish I had the answers.  But the little guy sounds like a fighter --- I'm betting he handles this better than his parents. (and he's lucky to have an uncle that brings him presents when he visits...) smile. Very good choice....Spiderman rules!!!! Take care - thinking of ya, Lisabet

[LizzyM]

Hipee--SO SORRY to hear about your nephew.  My thoughts go out to you, your sister and especially your nephew.  he is so young and doesn't understand.  That was wonderful of you to sit down and have a talk with him..Thinking of your nephew should makes us all so thankful of our "problem".  At least we can TRY to fix it.  Kids are little angels and don't desearve to have any health problems. But, I know that's not how things go.  My heart really aches for your nephew.  IF you don't mind me asking, why did it take a doctor wo long to discover this?  I don't know much about the disease but I know it's hard to see kids have it.

  Mariposa...that Stadol made me feel all wiggy.  THe doc said it would knock me it..well it didn't..just made me feel very wierd..a bad wierd.  I jumped at every sound.  But, the migraine is gone.  I was taking the Hydro's for severe pain from Endometrisois not migraines.  Do you know anything about that illnesss--the cramping and anything that's not naracotic that works real wel?  Amyway, gotta run.  I'll be back here tomorrow.

[taeme]

Can someone tell me what I can do for anxiety, restlessness besides excersise and warm baths, I have so much homework and tests I can even begin to concentrate. I have gone to a study group tonight and basically I was worthless and really didn't get much accomplished.  Is there anything over the counter I can take, muscle relaxers or ideas that are not med related.  This anxiety has been building on me for the past five or six days. It now at the point I can't sit still but I don't want to do anything.  Can you guys help.  I have a test again tomorrow.  HEART TAEME

[GOD]

Please delete the account "Jesse@medhelp"

Unfortunately, this username has caused much confusion here on the forum.

I AM NOT working for MedHelp. The only reason I chose this particular name was to ensure that our "Hacker" friend from last month chose someone else's Identity to steal, and make fake posts with.

It's been a fun year, and now I ride off into the sunset, never to be seen on THIS forum again. For those of you who know, I'll be posting on the other board from now on.

Thanks to everyone who supported me, and helped me through several horrible detoxes!

Goodnight-
~~~~Jess~~~~

[cheermom]

i'm off to bed.  have to get up for work in the morning. i was unable to hold a job for a couple of yrs so it feels great to go to work everyday!  i never thought i would say that.  i hope everyone has a peaceful night knowing tomorrow is another day.
i'm stopping at the pharmacy tomorrow to check out the vitamins.  i just want ALL of my energy back and everything functioning on an even keel.  again have a peaceful night.

[cheermom]

what is this "other board" that jesse refers to?  this is the only one i've ever found that wasnt more a question and answer type forum.  just curious....

[Philip1815]

Jesse@medhelp has been deleted.

[taeme]

Can you help with my question about being anxious, restless.  It is posted about 3-5 messages above this one? I'm looking for a way to relax, so that I can study.  Besides exercise and or baths? Thanks TAEME

[MethMan]

I THINK that Ultram is some sort of Benzo.  Maybe not an opiate, but could fix you up down the road the same way none the less.

From what I have been told (In rehab) was that an opiate WD won't Kill you.  You may feel like it (as I do) or wish for it at times, but it won't kill you.  On the other hand, Benzos CAN kill you in WD unless you are under the care of a doc.

When I was in Rehab, I watch this unfold.  Patient comes in, goes about 2 days, then went frickin' crazy in ICU.  I felt terrible for the poor guy, but there was nothing I could do but get out of the way for the pros to help and they did.

As crappy as I feel coming off of Methadone, I can promise you that I am not going to take ANY chances on cross-addiction of any kind.  I'll take the hit now (Provided there is an eventual end to this WD Hell..).

Hope I wasn't TOO rambling.  Afterall, this is Day 9 for me.

God Bless,
Mike

P.S. Yes, Love is grand. There may be a simple reason for the posts.  Maybe they typed medhelp when trying to type voyeurism. :)  Sorry...  I know.. but I'm ILL Damn it. ;)

[druggienomo]

I just got here today, so I don't love you ,cause I don't know you. Anyway, Addicts trying to make a love connection here usually doesnt work,or so I am told every day in outpatient.

As far as ultram, I used it,and got nothing out of it. It did not help my head,or give me any high. My drug of choice is Lortab,with Fentanyl. I wonder why people get different feelings from the same drugs? I know xanex addicts who use them and love um. I just get pissed off and want to sleep.
Anyway, Im a whole 26 days clean,and do not want to use again. I wonder if or when I will crave the drug again. Kinda freakes me out thinking about it. I cannot go through rehab again.
Later
druggie no mo.

[Sundown]

Actually, ultram is a narcotic, in that it interacts with the some of the same receptors in the brain as other opiates. It is not classified as a controlled substance like other narcotics because it was thought to be "only" a partial agonist (weakly binding to those natural opiate receptors in our brains), and therefore, according to it's manufacturer, not addictive. Well, the experiences of folks here who have dealt with the drug sure demonstrate it's addictive potential. To think of it as not a narcotic is wrong. It is a useful pain medication when used correctly, but don't be misled into thinking it can't grab you like any other narcotic can.

Sundown

[bmac]

Ultram did nothing for me or my pain.I do see a lot of people taking it.My PCP gives samples by the bag full in his office.
I hate taking stuff like that.Celebrex works better on me than Ultram,for some reason.I couldn't imagine getting hooked on it and having to go thru the withdrawals.As far as the brain being damaged,it does rewire itself.That's why certain minerals and vitamins are in the recipe.There are many articles on the 'net'
about brain rewiring!lol.Good luck to ya!
                      bmac

[GOD]

The Tramadol HCl (Ultram) Molecule is the chemical "Mirror" of codeine. It is non-narcotic, but binds to some of the same opiate receptors in your brain that many opiates do. It is great to use for opiate withdrawal symptoms (as long as you don't use it for more than 5 days). The drug is a very effective pain killer, but beware of overuse! I built up a monster tolerance to the stuff. If used as directed, (no more than 400 Milligrams, or 8 50 milligram pills per day) this can be a "wonder-drug". Give it to a drug-addict, and you run into problems~~~!!!

~~~~Jess~~~~