Geez, I never believed anyone- actually let me REphrase myself- I doubted the fact that anything could work for ME when it came to quitting (after weaning down to practically NOTHING) the Tramadol, but after I placed the Clonidine/Catapres patch on my arm earlier in the day, around 7pm on 1/18/08, I'm really surprised!!!!!!
It's now almost 1am and right NOW I should be feeling some major withdrawal symptoms, but I only feel a slight 'TINGLE' in my veins! OMGosh!
My heart is racing a little, but not enough to bother me (at least not yet) and WOW! I cannot believe I'm still sane! lol
I'm going to try and get some sleep now, guys- so I'll keep everyone posted when I wake up! lol
Love ya all!
Neurotin?? Nothing like THIS! I thought so too- (I've taken it before, day two when I stopped taking Tramadol cold turkey and it stopped the withdrawals immediately!) BUT- I had a reaction to neurotin- wasn't for me at all.. I had alot of side effects AFTER using it..
If ya see the quotation at the end of my thread, here.. it's a big QUESTION MARK!!!!!!!! Meaning, it VERY surprising to me that this patch is working because I usually cannot TAKE meds, due to the side effects..
I am glad it is working for you. I hear great things about clonidine from some and others it does nothing. I guess we are all different wouldn't it be great if they had something that just plain works. I wish you all the best, and again, I'm glad it is working for you.
thanks so much! I still cannot believe I'm here, where I'm at today- but there's a first time for everything, eh?!
My goodness I don't know what I would do without you guys in this forum! Honestly? I would be in BAD SHAPE! I've gotten more advice from here than I have in a lifetime when it comes to THIS!
You have no idea how much it's appreciated! Blessings to you and everyone else! I'll keep everyone posted on day 2- oh yada yada! This oughta' be a hoot! lol.. We shall see when tomorrow comes!
Well, I hope it stays comfortable and tolerable for oyu but since you're only on day 1 so to speak, I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch.
Also, you speak a lot of curing withdrawals and stopping the pain of withdrawals but I don;t see you posting much of anything having to do with what you plan to do AFTER the physical part of sobering up happens.
What are you planning on doing then?
You seriously need to investigate your aftercare and share it with the rest of us here. There are many people who are struggling and who relapse.
If all we're doing is getting through withdrawals physically and not speaking of how to remain sober when that part is done, we are not addressing the more serious issues of addiction and how it's a disease that needs to be treated every day.
The band aid of the patch and neurontin is simply that, a band aid.
How do you suppose you're going to get to a place where those band aids aren't necessary.....
Just a thought.
First of all- I went to a pain specialist when my back was literally 'broken' (so to speak) back in 2006- I told him I don't want narcotics, so he said to me- "Oh I'll give you Ultram, it's not addictive, it's not a narcotic" being that I was scared to take ANY medication, I went ahead, filled the script, took my medicine for about a month, made me feel like garbage for the simple fact that all I did was get nauseated, constipation, etc etc..
He told me that I have no other options, that since I can't take any other narcotics, I'm also allergic to narcotics, that I have to take the Ultram in order to keep the pain under control and live my life to where I can actually "DO" things with the kids, be a mother, keep working, etc etc.. (and MIND YOU, I was in the police academy STILL and had to take two weeks off due to the incident- my neighbor slammed his car into reverse and rammed my car and drove me through the windshield of my car- I was getting out of my car after grocery shopping, too)
Being that I've taken the medication, NOT BECAUSE I wanted to get high or something, but only because I was told I had no choice!
Second of all- how do you know I don't have any plans? How do you know that by ME posting advice and plans that it's not REAL? Is it bugging you??
I've been involved in NA for 6 years now, ever since my mother passed away from relapsing (She started abusing Vicodin really bad four years prior to her death, stopped taking them and came clean for nearly 4 years, relapsed THEN died 3 days after she relapsed) and I've done enough planning to keep myself away from meds altogether, have absolutely NO desire to EVER take pain meds again, considering my experience with them!
AND- I flushed an entire bottle of Ultram down my toilet because I didn't have any dam desire to take them!
Not looking for a band aid- only reason I'm on the Clonidine patch is simply because my vitals were depressed when I went to my doctor the other day, and nothing else will keep my blood pressure levels to a point where I won't go into cardiac arrest from it, so what do you MEAN, to be more CLEAR of what you said, do you think I was looking for an easy way out or something???
I'm on day 2, from stopping the Ultram altogether, after I had already tapered down to 1/2 of a dang pill, so is there something you can tell me that everyone else here hasn't already told me that I don't know???
Just a thought!!
ALSO, if you look at my posts, they have BIG question marks at the end! If they were intended to say "I have a cure!" then they would SAY that! Since they said, "Cure for withdrawals??" they mean "Is this **** for real"????? Which THEN means, I'm AMAZED that there is something out there that can actually HELP me feel alot better!
Honestly, when you posted "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" are you trying to be sarcastic? Because I can be even MORE sarcastic than you could possibly imagine!
Two members from this forum left because of sarcasm, downgrading, etc etc..
I'm really glad, because she must have not liked the advice, or thought I was some 'know-it-all' but ya know what? Everything I've posted, ALL the advice came straight from people who've been here alot longer than her! maybe she wants to REINVESTIGATE where I GOT the info to begin with??????????
I'm glad I can RELAY the messages and give someone else the help I received from here.. :D:D
Please don't get all worked up! You know EXACTLY what you are doing & how long your going to do it for. Be DAMN proud of yourself & keep going! I need ALL the support I can get from all of you when I start my detox & I hope that nobody will respond any sarcastic or smart remarks to me. We need all the support & kind words we can get, not negativity to try to set us back. It almost seems as if some people are trying to see others fail. KEEP YOUR CHIN UP GIRL, I will be following your posts.
I'm truly glad that I can at least share the help I got from here- The purpose of our recovery is not only keep clean, but to mainly give that help to others, as WE were given..
Much of my 'so-called Will Power' came from God himself, and he worked through many here to help me out!
I hate to defend myself to others because I don't even TRY standing up unless I know I'm right, but if we don't NIP the discouragement at the BUD, than it'll keep on and there will be MORE people (that came here for help) leaving this forum!
I'm so glad I can help out! I feel I owe to everyone else!
Yea, it's only been day '2', but I don't care! I'm right where I WANT to be! :D.. hehe
Love you all!
I hear a lot of people (and by the way I have been here on the frum for well over 2 years) talk about getting through withdrawals and then without a plan to stay sober, find themselves right back posting about how they've relapsed.
My post to you was not coming from a negative place and I wasn't trying to discourage you at all. I was simply trying to hit home by suggesting you have a plan for your personal mental, emotional and spiritual healthy for when the physical part has passed. There really was no need for you to get so defensvie and allow my post to upset you so to the point where you felt the need to make threats about who can be more sarcastic. It was not my intention to make you so angry.
I remember when I was using, how I used to get so angry when someone dared to question me. You say that God has helped you. I think that's great. Perhaps you should ask Him to help you with patience and tolerance?
I do not have time to go back and read every single post you've ever typed so forgive me if I don't know your history by heart.
I am sorry to hear of your mother passing from this horrible disease.
I do hope you continue on your path and remain sober.
Patience, you're right- I don't have- perhaps I should.. But that is for someone 'else' to judge, not yourself..
HERE is what you wrote that caught my NERVE---->> "Also, you speak a lot of curing withdrawals and stopping the pain of withdrawals but I don;t see you posting much of anything having to do with what you plan to do AFTER the physical part of sobering up happens. ""
You don't see me posting anything simply because I haven't gotten any questions NOR responses about recovery- however, there's a difference here.. I've had a clean date of July 5th 2002, which makes that close to 6 years.. That was the last time I drank alcohol.. I would drink about every other weekend, but it's not how OFTEN you drink, it's what you DO WHEN you drink.. so, I've been in recovery through NA (I prefer NA) for quite some time.. Does that mean my 'clean' date is screwed up over my DOCTOR prescribing me medication that I NEVER abused? Of course not- that only means that I have been on medication, PER my doctor's 'brainless' request, and I chose to stop taking the medication after hearing so many horror stories..
You're right- I should also be posting about what I plan to do afterward, AND some recovery material as well, which I just may do, but I can only do a few certain things at a time.. I've alot going on, and that's BEEN going on with family, work, etc etc.. so it means when I post something about IDEAS of how to relieve withdrawals, it's also a RULE that I should be posting about recovery too? Heck, if that's the case (in which of course it's not), than everyone here is at fault? Geez!
Perhaps you should pray to God to help you to become a little more focused on your own faults other than my impatience and my intolerance.. we're all human.. it's only up to God to judge me, not you...
You're right I'm going to become defensive here, for the simple fact that two other members had left because of the discouragement I've seen posted, only when they come here for help, and not looking for someone to 'set them back a few steps'.. You say you didn't MEAN to upset me or anyone else, but your words are plain and in black letters for everyone to read!
Yes, I have a plan.. No, I'm not 'going back out', in which I didn't GO OUT to use and abuse drugs to begin with, as you can NOW clearly see.. Yes, I'm aggravated because none of us should even be HERE today, talking of how we are going to FIX the situation, simply because there are entirely too many things out there that can either get us into trouble (such as drugs, alcohol, etc) or there are innocent individuals out there who've been prescribed these nasty meds, only because we were practically tricked into taking them, and being told they are NOT addictive..
I could go on and on about reasons why I can become so frustrated, but I'd much rather try and help everyone else out, and give back what I've received.. do you agree?
You shouldn't allow anyone to take your serenity from you. I didn't mean to get you so upset but in life, you really shouldn't give it away that easily. It's not good for your soul and you can't help someone else if you're ranting about yourself.
Take a deep breath and do what you need to do for you. There is no need to defend yourself or explain every detail of your life to me to make me understand where you're coming from.
You've been around the rooms long enough to know that sometimes it's better to let go and let God. Do you want peace or do you want to be right?
If you just want to be right, then I'll concede, you're right.
Have a wonderful night.
of course we want peace.. why do ya think we're here? lol
And no, it's not about being right, although most of us WANT it that way, which again- makes us human.. NONE of us are perfect.. :D.. we only WISH we were! lol
Not about being right, not about coming here to give the 'perfect' advice that others see to it that it is, none of that's the case..
Thank you very much for the hospitality and regardless of what other irrelevant topics were brought up here, we're all here for help and advice and to support each other.. that's the ONLY thing I want to be right about, right now.. :D
Blessings to you!
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