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fioricet
i have been addicted to fioricet without codeine for over 6 year s, i take just about 6 or 7 a day, i take about 3 every morning to get me going, because i feel it is the only way to get me going. i want to stop. i am scared that i may have caused liver damage, and i do not want to die. i also in addition at night right after work pop 1 1/2 of vicodin es, but not any more than that. but none the less still addicted. and i have been doing that for the same amount of time, but just in the past year taking 1/1/2 everyday, it used to be just on the weekends.
i need some advise on stopping, what kind of withdrawls i might have. what kind of herbs can i take to help maybe correct my liver damage. i am 31, and i think i still have a chance to reverse any damage, if i can just stop using.
please help
scared
i need some advise on stopping, what kind of withdrawls i might have. what kind of herbs can i take to help maybe correct my liver damage. i am 31, and i think i still have a chance to reverse any damage, if i can just stop using.
please help
scared
Well, I'm certainly glad that our thread is back - must have been that "fart in the desert" that temporarily rendered this nonexistent for awhile this evening! Seriously, I'm more concerned with biological **** than anything! Where I work is like the United Nations - if I told all of you, then you'd guess and my anonymity would be over. We will have the Nat'l Guard with those mega assault rifles hanging on them stationed everywhere from tomorrow until ........ We see TONS of Muslim customers (most of them very nice and the rest should be dismembered SLOWLY). They are from Libya, Iran, Iraq, etc. We also have Israelites and Palestinians side by side. It can get unreal! After 9/11 the place was on red alert because it's a high tension business to begin with and tempers fly at the drop of a hat if things aren't going their way. The Middle Easterners are the worst (by far) followed by the Russians. Those are not ones to mess with. According to my FBI & State Police informants, they're ALL "connected" to the Russian Mafia and make the Italian mob look like Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood! Bless his soul. Anyhow, sorry to go on, but some of these people don't give a rat's ass about us, but continue to do business here (money laundering for sure) and treat us (women especially) like last week's tunafish salad on a hot July day!
Anybody who works with me would have no problem understanding why I take fiorinal! Hell, they bum it off me!!!!! I just hope we're ALL safe in the different parts of the country we live. And Joods, get the guest room ready - I'm coming up! Kat
Anybody who works with me would have no problem understanding why I take fiorinal! Hell, they bum it off me!!!!! I just hope we're ALL safe in the different parts of the country we live. And Joods, get the guest room ready - I'm coming up! Kat
Hey, fear not. After all, I'm here to protect us all!
I remember 25 yrs. ago in late high school, before a party, the guys had this routine where they would sneak through the border to get a "Keg" & even roll the damn thing back to our side. The drinking age in Wa. was 21 as opposed to 19 here & we had our own bottled beer but to them, this was more fun than the party itself. Of course they always succeeded & the biggest prob they encountered was getting lost in the woods.
As you know, the border is 3000+ miles long & most of it is still unprotected, tho with today's technology, I imagine it's more difficult to sneak thru.
Most frightening was Rassem, a middle eastern terrorist, happily residing in Cda, who passed thru the Blaine (Vcr to Sea) border right before Dec 31/99. He had enough explosives to blow not just LAX, his intended target, but most of Calif. as well. Fortunately, he was caught & is still in jail awaiting trial.
If you want to get freaked out, worry about the Niagara border. I saw this special on the US Coastguard & their patrolling the border, including Lake Erie which divides the countries. I believe their stat for catching would-be crossers, was something like 10%. They admitted that with the lake it was virtually impossible to cover, let alone catch ppl. Even after 9/11 most ppl illegally crossing in either direction are smuggling drugs, cigs & people. And on the U.S. side, that particular border patrol is tremendously under-funded. The feds were to come thru with $ but as of a few wks. ago, they had 1 fire-truck & dangerously short of police staff & other emerg. personnel.
Or, freak out over the border btwn El Paso & Juarez! I wrote about that a few mos. ago & they have the Rio Grande dividing them & literally millions traveling back & forther per day. Small wonder that mafia show, "Kingpin" is filmed in El Paso!
But you're so right about what a determined person can do. They can get in thru any means. On a recent news show, I saw INS agents explaining how most of the ppl endeavoring to enter the US for illicit reasons, do NOT go the familiar route at the airport. So, all that shoe inspection is...well. The INS said these ppl get in via other means tho they wouldn't say how.
The US/Cdn border is *much* less porous now but it's going to wreak havoc on the enormous amt. of trade btwn the 2 countries. As far as I'm concerend, it's the price we must pay but I can't help wonder that when hostilities have ceased, will it ever stop? I can't help thinking this war, inevitable tho it was, has opened Pandora's box. Wide.
I have CNNOT on & poor Connie has no guests booked & looks downright bereft that she couldn't announce the outbreak of hostilities. She even pulled out that old YAWN....Gen. Don Shephard. (Ret.) Sorry, but he has all the personality of an unsalted triscuit.
Love to all my American buddies.
Dancing......
I remember 25 yrs. ago in late high school, before a party, the guys had this routine where they would sneak through the border to get a "Keg" & even roll the damn thing back to our side. The drinking age in Wa. was 21 as opposed to 19 here & we had our own bottled beer but to them, this was more fun than the party itself. Of course they always succeeded & the biggest prob they encountered was getting lost in the woods.
As you know, the border is 3000+ miles long & most of it is still unprotected, tho with today's technology, I imagine it's more difficult to sneak thru.
Most frightening was Rassem, a middle eastern terrorist, happily residing in Cda, who passed thru the Blaine (Vcr to Sea) border right before Dec 31/99. He had enough explosives to blow not just LAX, his intended target, but most of Calif. as well. Fortunately, he was caught & is still in jail awaiting trial.
If you want to get freaked out, worry about the Niagara border. I saw this special on the US Coastguard & their patrolling the border, including Lake Erie which divides the countries. I believe their stat for catching would-be crossers, was something like 10%. They admitted that with the lake it was virtually impossible to cover, let alone catch ppl. Even after 9/11 most ppl illegally crossing in either direction are smuggling drugs, cigs & people. And on the U.S. side, that particular border patrol is tremendously under-funded. The feds were to come thru with $ but as of a few wks. ago, they had 1 fire-truck & dangerously short of police staff & other emerg. personnel.
Or, freak out over the border btwn El Paso & Juarez! I wrote about that a few mos. ago & they have the Rio Grande dividing them & literally millions traveling back & forther per day. Small wonder that mafia show, "Kingpin" is filmed in El Paso!
But you're so right about what a determined person can do. They can get in thru any means. On a recent news show, I saw INS agents explaining how most of the ppl endeavoring to enter the US for illicit reasons, do NOT go the familiar route at the airport. So, all that shoe inspection is...well. The INS said these ppl get in via other means tho they wouldn't say how.
The US/Cdn border is *much* less porous now but it's going to wreak havoc on the enormous amt. of trade btwn the 2 countries. As far as I'm concerend, it's the price we must pay but I can't help wonder that when hostilities have ceased, will it ever stop? I can't help thinking this war, inevitable tho it was, has opened Pandora's box. Wide.
I have CNNOT on & poor Connie has no guests booked & looks downright bereft that she couldn't announce the outbreak of hostilities. She even pulled out that old YAWN....Gen. Don Shephard. (Ret.) Sorry, but he has all the personality of an unsalted triscuit.
Love to all my American buddies.
Dancing......
Damn that's scary! I snowmobile up there and we would routinely burn back and forth
Bypassing the check out points, we even got chased once but they couldn
Bypassing the check out points, we even got chased once but they couldn
I can tell you F is very much a controlled substance in Canada. You d/not receive a normal scrip but a triplica as your scrip. Thte form, filled out with everything including your chest size. must be filled ou by Doc & & they also fill out the # prescriped, both in letters & numerically - twice. All his DEA info & #'s go on same form - in code. Doc keeps a copy & 2 go to the fillimg pharmacist. With all those carbon copies, I can't imagibe how you'd change anything! The pharmacykeeps a copy once you receibe scrip. It's the same form they use for morphine, percs, etc. My doc keeps these "scrip" forms at the fron t desk - never in his office as he tends to bop in & out a lot. Much as I hate it ;-), it diminishes abuse, or at the very least, the temptation.
On the downside of our divine med/ system ;-), virtually all docs hand out Tylenol #3, like candy. Sore toe? Here's a 100 plus 5 refills. After my decade in the U.S., where I probably had 1 20 tab bottle of T3's that lasted me for a few mos. Since my headaches were still enough to fell an elephant (thanks Kat!! ;-) my doc said, no more, it's too addictive & started me on some anti inflammatories.
I'm looking at the clock & it'as 3.5 hrs. until D-Day. I'm in a minor state of shock. I keep wondering what Americans did in the hrs. before they attacked after Pearl Harbor. By then, Cda had been long involved in the conflict overseas. I had to throw that in to show that historically we've not alway been cowards.
Realistically, we should be in Code Red as we welcome one & all, w/out papers at Canadian Immigration. It's like COME ON IN! Rumor has it a shuttle bus takes new immigrants to apply immed. for the full free med. they will receive after 3 mos. residency, and welfare.
I think we have more sleeper cells than the U.S. Easy access to get in the country & very easy access into the U.S.
I've got CNN & on for some reasan,I'm remembering the great Y2K debacle.
Do you realize if someone farts in the dssert after 5pm, it will be reported & treated as a gas attack?
Best,
Joods!
.
I remember in Ca. when I was briefly on Esgic, my doc just filled out a regular scrip & it was streated as uch..
On the downside of our divine med/ system ;-), virtually all docs hand out Tylenol #3, like candy. Sore toe? Here's a 100 plus 5 refills. After my decade in the U.S., where I probably had 1 20 tab bottle of T3's that lasted me for a few mos. Since my headaches were still enough to fell an elephant (thanks Kat!! ;-) my doc said, no more, it's too addictive & started me on some anti inflammatories.
I'm looking at the clock & it'as 3.5 hrs. until D-Day. I'm in a minor state of shock. I keep wondering what Americans did in the hrs. before they attacked after Pearl Harbor. By then, Cda had been long involved in the conflict overseas. I had to throw that in to show that historically we've not alway been cowards.
Realistically, we should be in Code Red as we welcome one & all, w/out papers at Canadian Immigration. It's like COME ON IN! Rumor has it a shuttle bus takes new immigrants to apply immed. for the full free med. they will receive after 3 mos. residency, and welfare.
I think we have more sleeper cells than the U.S. Easy access to get in the country & very easy access into the U.S.
I've got CNN & on for some reasan,I'm remembering the great Y2K debacle.
Do you realize if someone farts in the dssert after 5pm, it will be reported & treated as a gas attack?
Best,
Joods!
.
I remember in Ca. when I was briefly on Esgic, my doc just filled out a regular scrip & it was streated as uch..
For your info: I just got on the internet about fiorinal being a scheduled drug and it is CIII. It's right up there with anything mixed with codeine, percocet, etc. And that is ALL U.S. pharmacies. You may think they're not paying attention but behind the scenes they have to record every purchase and who it went to and all that goes to the DEA.
Hey kiddo, you sound like you are really serious about getting help. Being bipolar doesn't help the addiction situation, either. Where you live in Texas may make a bit of difference in the attitude of the pharmacists, but I will tell you without a doubt that fiorinal is definitely a controlled substance and it says so in my 2003 PDR! It HAS to be because of the barbiturate in it. If you take fioricet (that's with tylenol instead of aspirin) it's a different classification, but nonetheless, it is monitored by the DEA and is a Scheduled drug. Texas is part of the U.S. and so is PA where I live, so the laws are the same. I understand that Texas is lax in alot of attitudes because of the border towns and all the illegal **** coming in from Mexico and people from the US going into Mexico.
If you feel that you may experience extreme anxiety when withdrawal hits, why don't you request some valium to use short term. It will help the anxiety and cravings. But, you did say you had tried benzos I think and other stuff. Being bipolar and under a doctor's care, I can't believe he'd prescribe 100's of fiorinals to you!!!! My son is studying to be a neuro psychiatrist and said it doesn't make any sense at all unless you're going on the internet or going into Mexico and getting an illegal script. My best friend's son is bipolar (31 yrs. old) and they monitor his meds so carefully that he gets tested every month! So, I'm not getting alot of this - it is too outrageous plus someone telling you fiorinal is not a controlled substance - I'm not a doctor, but all's you have to do is look it up on the internet or go to a bookstore and it will tell you that it is controlled. I hope you get better informed as to what you're using and the dangers of it. By the way, did you originally get it because of severe headaches or do you use it to get "high". I would think that it would conflict with your medication for bipolar and that alone would cancel out all the good your medication is doing for your mental condition. After all, it IS a barbiturate and affects the nervous system and brain. Hope all is well - Kat
If you feel that you may experience extreme anxiety when withdrawal hits, why don't you request some valium to use short term. It will help the anxiety and cravings. But, you did say you had tried benzos I think and other stuff. Being bipolar and under a doctor's care, I can't believe he'd prescribe 100's of fiorinals to you!!!! My son is studying to be a neuro psychiatrist and said it doesn't make any sense at all unless you're going on the internet or going into Mexico and getting an illegal script. My best friend's son is bipolar (31 yrs. old) and they monitor his meds so carefully that he gets tested every month! So, I'm not getting alot of this - it is too outrageous plus someone telling you fiorinal is not a controlled substance - I'm not a doctor, but all's you have to do is look it up on the internet or go to a bookstore and it will tell you that it is controlled. I hope you get better informed as to what you're using and the dangers of it. By the way, did you originally get it because of severe headaches or do you use it to get "high". I would think that it would conflict with your medication for bipolar and that alone would cancel out all the good your medication is doing for your mental condition. After all, it IS a barbiturate and affects the nervous system and brain. Hope all is well - Kat
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