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what a loser i am, uggg i just hate being such a weak minded women. So today is day 10 on a taper program, and of course i failed, i battled the cravings of getting high for 10 days and today i caved. So now, tomorrow back on track. I have like 60 percs at home that i wanted to give to the doc when i go next week but really think i need to just flush them. I am currently taking 100mg tramadol ER once a day and 4mg of diluid 3 times a day. Starting tomorrow i will take my one tramadol, and take diluid 4mg in the am and afternoon with the pm dose of just 2mg. I know you cant discuss a taper but does that sound good? I forgot to tell you how i cheated today, i took 3 and half percs....UGG. I want to be done with this crap so bad these dam pills are demons, and the craving of wanted to get high is just continually, does that ever END?? Please help me get through this, i am on all the mentioned meds that are prescribed by my doc and recovering from surgery, so pain is now minimally and really for pain control all i need is the tramadol. So the goal for now is to be off of diluid and just stick with the tramadol. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...Dane
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I think you want to reconsider this plan - tramadol is an opiate - and an anti-depressant. And the withdrawal from that was worse than I EVER had from your standard opiates. I mean, the WORST of the worst.
I know how hard this is - I'm sorry as I remember those days all too well. So decide today what you're going to do differently this time - have you though about some kind of counseling, or na/aa? This whole process is just so dam* hard and even harder without some real one on one support. What do you think? :)
I know how hard this is - I'm sorry as I remember those days all too well. So decide today what you're going to do differently this time - have you though about some kind of counseling, or na/aa? This whole process is just so dam* hard and even harder without some real one on one support. What do you think? :)
I agree with ImDONENoMore..... Tramodol WAS THE WORST I have EVER had to W/D from! If I could go back I would have NEVER touched that devil pill a day in my life! I would Totally reconsider this plan!!!!
I wish you the best.... You will find TONS of amazing, wonderful people here =)
I wish you the best.... You will find TONS of amazing, wonderful people here =)
You are NOT A LOSER!!! I cheated on my third day of tapering - you made it to 10! You did that! No one can take that success away from you - don't take it away from yourself. You now know you can do it! You slipped...you got up right? Now start taking those baby steps and pretty soon you'll be running with it :)
I am not a doctor and I am the first to admit I have no right to advise, but I can say, if I were in your shoes, I'd trash all that other stuff and do a slow and steady taper with the percs. My MD said to cut 1/2 pill every 3- 4 days. Talk to your doctor, decide on a rehab plan and stick with it. I wish you all the best. I know you can succeed - 10 days is a good milestone!!
I am not a doctor and I am the first to admit I have no right to advise, but I can say, if I were in your shoes, I'd trash all that other stuff and do a slow and steady taper with the percs. My MD said to cut 1/2 pill every 3- 4 days. Talk to your doctor, decide on a rehab plan and stick with it. I wish you all the best. I know you can succeed - 10 days is a good milestone!!
It's great that you're tapering but I think you're using too many drugs to do it! Think about unloading the Tramadol (horrible drug) and the Dilaudid(very bad,too). Just use the Percocet to taper off with. You're really not getting anywhere this way,dear...
Also,you need help with this. Who knows about the pills? Your doctor? If not, I think you need to bring the doctor in on this and get some good taper info and medical support. Also, how about going to AA or some therapy? This will never work if you want to get high. It just won't!!
Also,you need help with this. Who knows about the pills? Your doctor? If not, I think you need to bring the doctor in on this and get some good taper info and medical support. Also, how about going to AA or some therapy? This will never work if you want to get high. It just won't!!
Tramadol is like an opiate but not, so i thought. Yall are scaring me with this Tram crap. I am under the impression that its a mild pain reliever, it does help me with the pain and fools my brain that its getting an opiate but not. Anyway, i never abused tramadol, i dont get any high or good feeling from it, so how can it be so bad, if i never abused it and for that matter i wont abuse it? After my screw up yesterday, i am ready again to tackle on day 11. With that said, my plan is to continue the once a day tramadol, and just take 4mg twice today and tonight take 2 mg. Maybe, i will be able to not even take anything at night and drop down to twice a day. Vicki, i am under the guidance of a pain management doc, but to be honest, he doesn't know that i did abuse them. But he told me to just taper off the Diluid, since i have 4mg and 2 mg. And to rid the percs. The goal from the doc is to get off the Diluid first, and then once i am healed from surgery/rehab than off the tramadol. I have a question for you all that say Tramdol is awful...Did you abuse it? Im so confused, and now what about the percs, i go to the doc next week?
Okay...going to Pain Management and not telling them of any abuse history is like shooting yourself in the foot. I'm sorry but that's why you're in this situation now. Also,if you're going to take pills for any reason you best know what you're taking.
Tramadol is a synthetic OPIATE. Period. It's addicting. Period. I don't know how to be more clear. Dialaudid is highly abused in and of itself and you take it with two other opiates. This is not good. Your PM doc is advising you based on what he knows to be true and not THE TRUTH. So,if you want to get out of this mess you're in,you need to tell him the truth! We can't be a substitute for your PM doc. We just can't.
Also,re: Tramadol: It also contains an SSRI similar to Effexor( an antidepressant). You may not be addicted to it,I don't know,but try not taking it and see how you feel....
Good luck to you...I know you're confused...I hope this helped a little...
Tramadol is a synthetic OPIATE. Period. It's addicting. Period. I don't know how to be more clear. Dialaudid is highly abused in and of itself and you take it with two other opiates. This is not good. Your PM doc is advising you based on what he knows to be true and not THE TRUTH. So,if you want to get out of this mess you're in,you need to tell him the truth! We can't be a substitute for your PM doc. We just can't.
Also,re: Tramadol: It also contains an SSRI similar to Effexor( an antidepressant). You may not be addicted to it,I don't know,but try not taking it and see how you feel....
Good luck to you...I know you're confused...I hope this helped a little...
Well all I can tell you is what I know from my own personal experience - I also started out with regular opiates to help treat my OA and then my Dr. switched me to tramadol. And t first, it didn't make me feel the same as the standard opiates so I thought it wasn't a big deal either. That is until some time passed and I realized I needed more and more of the tram to get the same effects. And then BAM! - HUGE addiction. I'm sharing this only to warn you that you're perspective of this drug and how your body reacts to it can change in a second. So be really careful okay? Knowledge is power right? :)
And please, continue to talk with your Dr. as I think vicki is right - you are on a lot of meds, so I'm sure the Dr. knows best how to wean you off (or stop) each of them as you move forward. Good luck to you!
And please, continue to talk with your Dr. as I think vicki is right - you are on a lot of meds, so I'm sure the Dr. knows best how to wean you off (or stop) each of them as you move forward. Good luck to you!
Okay - sorry for all those stupid grammatical errors - guess it's obvious how worked up I get when I talk about tramadol!!! lol
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You never fail as long as you keep trying. Please get honest with the doctor and tell him what is going on. Be accountable for your actions. Have you thought about recovery care?
WOW vicki, tough love!!!!!! I want to start by telling you that before surgery i was on percs and yes i did abuse them only orally though, and after surgery they put me on Diluid like they have in the past with my other surgeries. I was taking 12 mg of diluid at one time so really 4 mg is nothing (so i thought). I cant and will not tell my PM doc that i abused them, but he does know that i want off and that i am addicted to them. Since my appointment is not until next friday, now i dont know what to do. I thought i was doing so good and now yall are telling me different. i cant just stop the tram for 2 reasons, one its ER so it really does help with pain throughout the day and 2 it really helps with the withdrawal process. So do i stop the diluid and just take a perc? and how much perc? Uggg im so confused. Vicki, i am serious about getting off all this crap i have done it many times before and the reason im back is because of yet another surgery not because i went out in the street to seek these demons.
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The trams may be helping you with the wd's right now but what will help with the tram wd's? The cycle has to stop at some point.
Why cant you tell the PM doc?
Why cant you tell the PM doc?
What do i do for pain, im taking Aleve on top of all this, and thought/think the tram is really helping throughout the day. And once im off all the Opiates then it becomes time to taper off tram, i think that once the opiates are out of my system, then the taper starts for the tram. As for telling the doc, i just cant do it. I have had many many surgeries and i go to him on and off throughout my surgery process and he is the one that gets the pain managed when i needed it and also most importantly has gotten me off the pills as welll. He knows that my body is addicted.
You haven't even seen (or read) my tough love yet!! LOL
I understand where you're at...believe me...I'm just trying to give you information. Like Sara
has said: Knowledge is power!
I'm really not sure WHAT in the hell you should do at this point. I guess,if this were me,and knowing what I know now, I'd have to choose the least troublesome drug and I would choose percocet. I don't know what dose. I guess as it's ordered ...If you want to deal with the w/d of tramadol then just switch to that but,again,my fear is that you'll never get off of it or it will be very difficult. I wouldn't do it....
Why do you think Tramadol helps with w/d?? (because it's an opiate and percocet will do the same thing). But,seriously,what I'd really do is tell the doctor. That's me...I've had to do that and no one shot me!!
We said all of this before when you first came on the forum. Nothings changed...I'm not yelling at you at all..I'm trying to help you...at some point you'll see the distinction between "tough love" and guidance. I hope for your sake it's very soon. I just see trouble here for you...
xo
I understand where you're at...believe me...I'm just trying to give you information. Like Sara
has said: Knowledge is power!
I'm really not sure WHAT in the hell you should do at this point. I guess,if this were me,and knowing what I know now, I'd have to choose the least troublesome drug and I would choose percocet. I don't know what dose. I guess as it's ordered ...If you want to deal with the w/d of tramadol then just switch to that but,again,my fear is that you'll never get off of it or it will be very difficult. I wouldn't do it....
Why do you think Tramadol helps with w/d?? (because it's an opiate and percocet will do the same thing). But,seriously,what I'd really do is tell the doctor. That's me...I've had to do that and no one shot me!!
We said all of this before when you first came on the forum. Nothings changed...I'm not yelling at you at all..I'm trying to help you...at some point you'll see the distinction between "tough love" and guidance. I hope for your sake it's very soon. I just see trouble here for you...
xo
well if this is not your tough love than i am scared to see it!!!!! LOL I do really appreciate all the help from you and everyone else on here, and i am so dam confused as to what is the right thing to do. like you said tram is a synthetic opiate, so it fools the brain. i believe that i got down to a much lower dose of Diluid because of the tram. So you think i should take just percs and stop tram and diluid? Today so far i only took 4mg of diluid at 8am and 2 Aleve at 10am. So now what? I am open hear and want to keep posting my day to day journey as today is day 11 but i did as you know screw up yesterday, but the good news was it made me feel like crap and nausea kicked in so i am so thankful it sucked.... Should i take one perc today and one before bed and no tram? Then tomorrow just take one perc 3times a day and decrease from there?
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Are your surgeries done now?
Addiction is addiction, doesnt matter if you only take them orally, get them from a doc and not the street. There is no difference. The brain doesnt care. All it cares about is you feeding it.
Addiction is addiction, doesnt matter if you only take them orally, get them from a doc and not the street. There is no difference. The brain doesnt care. All it cares about is you feeding it.
I'm not sure what else to say to you about the tramadol - you seem convinced it's "saving" you right now and I can assure you, since you became addicted to the other opiates, that the addiction to tramadol is right around the corner. I hope this doesn't sound harsh I'm just trying to spare you the pain of getting off that drug. I agree with sara and vicki - getting honest with your Dr. is the first thing you should do. This secret is going to keep you sick (thanks gnarly). Please listen to us - you have to start somewhere right?
Do you really believe tram withdrawal is worse than perc? I really cant see how this is possible. The doctors are all acting like this is the next best thing to opiates and they are prescribing allot. I want to really believe you even though you don't have MD after your name ...(LOL) because i know you have first hand experience with this and doc just know what they read and dont take them. I just need to know what to do, becsue when i go to PM doc next week he will pitch trams for sure and i want to have a master plan before that visit and tell him what the taper is.....
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If you believe these trams are a godsend then all i will say right now is we told you so........We dont need MD behind our name, we have lived it. I hope you find your way out of this.
Ok that's what ill do, i will discuss with the doc all the horror stories i heard about tram. So today i didn't take it and i wont! So bye bye tram and i guess bye bye diluid and just taper from percs?
Yes,Sweetie,if this were me...I'd taper with the percs. Now this is based on what I know and what I've read and what I've seen happen. I am not an opiate addict/abuser. Barbiturates were my DOLL OF CHOICE and that's a whole other thing...
When you see the doctor,tell him you've been researching Tramadol. Show him the info.
It's being prescribed everywhere!! The ortho guys are heavy prescribers...Where my Mom lives,the whole neighborhood is on Tramadol!! They "borrow" from eachother. My Mom doesn't but...I'm just waiting for someones' house to get broken into for Tramadol!! Yikes!!
I don't like that my Mom takes this but the good outweighs the alternative for her and she never goes above 4 per day if that. So,she's okay right now...
So,try just the percs alone for a few days and see how you are...
When you see the doctor,tell him you've been researching Tramadol. Show him the info.
It's being prescribed everywhere!! The ortho guys are heavy prescribers...Where my Mom lives,the whole neighborhood is on Tramadol!! They "borrow" from eachother. My Mom doesn't but...I'm just waiting for someones' house to get broken into for Tramadol!! Yikes!!
I don't like that my Mom takes this but the good outweighs the alternative for her and she never goes above 4 per day if that. So,she's okay right now...
So,try just the percs alone for a few days and see how you are...
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I think you should tell your Dr. what you've read here and ask that he do his own research on the med before he comes back at you to say it's a safe alternative. And I can tell you that it is now considered a controlled substance in a few states so changes are happening, just not fast enough if you asked me. And I think the sooner you get off the tram, the easier the withdrawal might be for you. I was stuck on that awful drug for over 6 years so I'm just trying to save you from making the same stupid mistakes I made. Seriously, tell the doc what you researched and ask him to provide research telling you it's NOT an opiate or addictive drug - I'll bet he can't. And I can not even tell you how ANGRY I was when I found out that it wasn't just an opiate, but also an anti-depressant. No WONDER the withdrawal was so freaking awful. But did a Dr. tell me there was an AD in this drug? Nope. Not one. So please, just tell the Dr. what you've learned here okay? And not sure if you've done this yet, but if you google "tramadol" there are a ton of links that will give you the info you need. :)