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smileynow

Dec 19, 2011

To: All

If you are one of the 20 people who reported specific physical symptoms occurring after dental implant surgery, did you have numbness & tingling?

In doing a quick scan there are 6: 1)myself 2)cascpa4321 3)estring 4)lambyoung 5)fleetz 6)terrybrown. This quick check is 30%, but I didn't have the energy to go sift through every post in detail.

This would be validating information to have if you are one of the people who had or have numbness/tingling since dental implant surgery.

Thanks.:)

terrybrown12

Dec 19, 2011

To: smiley

Numbness and tingling are my primary *constant* symptom,with muscle soreness and fatique coming in next . It started right after the first implant was put in and magnfied a year later when I had the second one put in.

Stormy1J

Dec 21, 2011

To: Everyone

I thought it was just me until I read all the stories of others suffering, experiencing major health problems, diminished life/ability to perform TDL, and pain 27/7, etc.
Two years ago I had all my teeth fitted with "Zirconium" veneers! I shouldn't have been so trusting! I had/have pre-existing health problems, Such as: MS, FMS/CFS, DDD of my spine-(& the oral surgeon was aware of this), but never implied there may be allergies, or complications!
My teeth have "Hurt" ever since I had these put in my mouth-(to the point I live on Ensure, & soft foods), but the surgeon continues to ignore me, adding it's not related to the veneers! I have a horrible taste in my mouth, in spite of brushing my teeth, & worsening of the chronic pain from the diseases I have!
When brushing a few weeks ago, I noticed that this metal- "Zirconium", has actually disappeared- (obviously leaking into my body 24/7), & leaving the gold underneath exposed on several teeth, & the others are beginning to show signs of this metal overlay... Eroding! My health continues to worsen, each day is more painful than the one before, what little energy I had is gone, & I'm suffering from depression that is becoming worse!
This surgeon was paid a fortune, but continues to ignore my pleas for help, and wants me to believe this is all in my head! Now I have to wait until after the holidays just to show him "his" expensive, fancy dental restoration...Is not only "falling apart", but is poisening me daily!
Now I've read a lot about others veneers, & implants-(but so far only "Titanium" ones)!
This brings me to another issue: In 2007, I fell- breaking my hip...Resulting in a "Total Hip Replacement", which is made using two metals: "Titanium" & "Cobalt"!!!
I would love to hear from anyone that's having serious health problems, & diminished quality of life, since having one of these three metals
surgically put into their bodies! There is not enough, or "any" research on the effects of these metals being put into someone's body! To make matters worse, the ADA, AMA, DEA, & FDA apparently want "us" to believe it's all in "our" heads-(& want to sweep all this, under the rug), dismiss people who are suffering, all because "they" did NOT do their homework/research: Before allowing these metals to be used in the general population-&/or take into consideration certain individuals who already suffer from diseases, & serious health conditions! I am angry, & each day my health status deteriorates!
Please... I would be interested in comments from anyone who is experiencing a decline in their
health since having one or more of these metals put into their bodies!
It's time "someone", "anyone" in the medical profession, or our government to take action! We should not have to put up with being ignored, & blame assigned to "us"! We are human beings... Not "guinea pigs"! Someone needs a good kick in the pants-(or truthfully, their pocketbooks)! The medical & dental profession in the US is "highway robbery"! If you agree with what I'm saying, & are suffering while life now just passes us by, because each day is filled with exhaustion and pain... Please I would really like your suggestions, comments, or merely someone to listen to your story... Contact me! Alone we can do little, but together we have a fighting chance to make a change in what I consider to be a crime by those who took an oath: "First do no harm"! It's all about money & power... Isn't this sad? Whom are we supposed to trust? I will leave you with "this" to think about! In the meantime: "Happy Holidays" from "someone" who does care! Bye for now~Stormy

smileynow

Dec 22, 2011

To: Stormy1J, All

Do you think the hip replacement started this cascade of ill health & then all the veneers just added to your situation?  Most of us have noted a decline in health after the invasive procedure of lifting the sinus and/or drilling an implant into the jaw.  When were you diagnosed with MS, FMS, CFS, & degenerative disk disease?  Was it after the hip replacement?  Oh I feel sorry for you if you had every tooth worked on and now have pain in all of them.  It sounds you have a variety of metals under the zirconium?

The problem is that there is lots (as you know) of money to be made in these procedures, for obvious reasons not too much interest in studying or making known the complications and ramifications of installing these various materials in the body.  For the last two years I have been going from doctor to doctor hoping for a definite diagnosis and plan of action for regaining my health, and the best I have come up with is a couple of M.D.s' who are addressing the inflammation/infection in the sinus induced by the implant.  It took a year to find these guys.  It has taken almost two years to find a surgeon willing to tackle the task of removing the implant and repairing or cleaning out the sinus that was disturbed by the implant.  He is making no promises.  As for my immune system returning to normal, only time will tell.

The best thing would be to make the public aware of the side effects of invasive procedures such as dental implants and also the effects of oral galvanism and metal sensitivity.  Most dentists are ignorant and choose to stay that way, but times are going to change as the public is becoming more aware of the toxicity of various dental materials and procedures.

Another issue as you know is that certain individuals are more likely to encounter side effects due to these procedures and should be warned or screened beforhand.  In my case pre-existing sinusitis/allergies and the use of nasal inhalers should have been a contraindication to the sinus lift procedure and at the very least required a CT scan to ensure the sinus wasn't perforated during the ostomy (drilling) phase of the procedure.  My personal conclusion is that someone with a family or personal history of autoimmune disease and/or allergies is not a good candidate for implanting foreign substances in the body unless absoloutly necessary.

In my case the very experienced and over confident periodontist looked at me and didn't even think about the ramifications.   He wasn't thinking about my health, but instead about the $3000 he was going to charge for a 45 minute procedure.  He is an individual example of what is wrong with the bigger picture in medicine and dentistry.  Money #1.  People #2.

It has occurred to me there should be a class-action lawsuit against the ADA on behalf of people who have had their health adversly affected by sensitvity to various metals or the invasive procedure of installing an implant.  In this way the public would become more aware of the risk involved and think twice before paying to have their health adversely affected.  Right now the focus is on regaining my health, so I haven't spent time pursuing this.

Happy Holidays to all!  We are still here.  Survivors!  May the coming year bring better health to us all!

smileynow

Dec 22, 2011

To: ALL

Medwatch is the FDA's program for reporting serious reactions and problems w/ medical products, such as drugs & medical devices. The website has a link for reporting serious adverse reactions to medical devices. Who knows if any of our symptoms would be deemed "serious"?

They claim to be "protecting and promoting your health".

hopefulinSJ

Dec 22, 2011

To: smileynow

so glad you booked a date for extraction!  i am counting down with you.

you can absolutely have mold in your sinus without it being detected on scans.  I don't even have any visible signs of discharge, just clear mucus and not alot and my 2 drs have still picked it up.  If your dr knew anything about mold he/she would know that mold can be detected in the blood and a specific eye test.  the mold literate drs do not diagnose with scans.  and as for the allergy test first, mold sickness is not an allergy, it is a biotoxin illness, an elementary fact and second, skin ***** testing for people like us whose immune system's are not working properly are invalid to diagnose allergy if it was one anyway.   Gosh I am so frustrated by incompetent drs!  your should go to dr shoemaker's website to arm yourself with info because i can tell you, you will know more about biotoxin illness than most drs ever will, and only then will you find someone competent to treat you.  hope you can see this survivingmold.com.  go to the diagnosis page first and see if you think it fits you.

you are right about mold and metal.  when mold is exposed to EMF's it grows at 600 times the normal rate.  the metals from the implants cause EMF's to the point where one dr i saw said i was a charged battery.

as for mold in clothes they just need to be laundered properly.  i washed everything i owned with Infinite Green San-A-Safe 1/8 c per load.  things that can't be laundered need to be drycleaned.  I didnt want to expose myself to the perc chemicals as they are very carcinogenic so i looked for a green drycleaner who does carbon cleaning. well i found a lot of "green cleaners" but i found out they were really just false advertising.  i found a place that does carbon cleaning about 2 hrs away and was set to have the contents of my closet cleaned, which i estimated to be several thousand dollars when a friend offered to lend me his ozone machine.  his business does remediation work after fires and to get the smoke smell out of peoples houses and clothes he uses an ozone machine.  ozone also kills mold so i was very lucky i got to clean my clothes for free.

as for testing, we had our house tested several times and each time it cost approx $400.  you may want to call the mold dr to see if they recommend anyone for mold testing.  i know there is a good resource online for mold testing, like a nat'l hotline that could rec someone reputable.  shoemaker may even have a resource on his site cant remember.

i think you will feel a lot better after extraction and then you can see where all the pieces fit.  i could not think straight at all until after mine was out and then things just came together, albeit slowly.

i am starting my new protocol in a few days.  first have to do a thyroid push for 18 days.  then raw foods detox for one week and will be receiving daily ozone IVs and other mold killing treatments at the same time.  then 11 days of a very very strong organ flush detox.  that should finally cure me.  i should be totally new by feb.

and btw, i think you have the strongest case for malpractice i have ever heard.  make sure you keep the implant in your possession after extraction.  it sounds like the procedure was contraindicated for you given your medical history but there is always room for interpretation there; however, the dr s assistant telling him they were out of the appropriate size implant for you and then him placing one that was way too big is the definition of negligent malpractice.  i would think you have a very strong case.

hopefulinSJ

Dec 22, 2011

To: Stormy1J

Welcome to the club!  So sorry to hear about your health issues.  I am not a dr but from what I have learned you have to try to get as much metal out of your body as possible.  The different metals are interacting with each other (galvanizing) in a way that is making you sick.  Any first year chemistry student knows that this happens when two or more metals are in the presence of a conductor (human body in your case) so why Drs do this is baffling.  Heck, even a third grader can make a battery and understand the concept of how it works.

In the meantime you may want to look into following an alkaline diet.  The metals are making your body acidic, like battery acid, and are exacerbating your pre-exhisiting conditions at the very least.

I am a registered dietitian and have been researching the link between my illness and diet and am about to start a new protocol.  I will keep anyone who is interested posted on this thread on how it works.

Wishing you well and glad you found us.

terrybrown12

Dec 22, 2011

To: hopeful

You mentioned diet.
I wanted to put it out there that when I got really sick after my second implant I intuitively went on a very balanced vegan raw foods only diet. I have to say it made the world of a difference. I regained back most of my health just from diet alone. It is extreme but it sure has worked to keep me functioning as well as I do.
Last implant comes out TOMORROW! :)

hopefulinSJ

Dec 22, 2011

To: terrybrown12

Bingo!  you hit it on the head!  Thanks so much for sharing that.  i also had success with the Body ecology diet but for me the raw foods is easier, dont have to think about it.  of course i am starting my new protocol after the holidays, one last hoorah!

Good Luck Tomorrow!

Oh, and if you are interested in a detox I highly recommend supplements from supergoodstuff.com.  If you need advice just call the # on the website and ask for Keith.  I came across it while looking for supplements with very specific ingredients based on the research i have read over the years.  I went looking to put together my own protocol based on the most advanced research and was very impressed to find that this company had been using all the ingredients I was looking for years and constantly tweaking them to make them better.  As I said, I start my new protocol in a few days and will post here how it goes.

Just for the record, I have not been keeping up with my plan (supplements, nasal wash, diet) as it is a crazy busy time of year and I am having some symptoms return such as fatigue, sinus congestion, headaches, joint pain.  If my plan goes as expected I should be like new by Feb 1 and I will not need to devote so much time daily to maintaining my health.

smileynow

Dec 22, 2011

To: hopefulinSJ

Thanks for the info. on the mold website.  What is up with the allergist?  He seems to always want to prove that the anti-fungals are unwarranted since he doesn't have an explanation as to why they help.  Do you think he could look for an explanation??  They only believe what they are told to believe, I guess?  Scary.  Education and brains they can only use within certain parameters.  When I found all the mold in the washer I was immediately alarmed & called a mold specialist who dismissed my concerns as he didn't think I fit the picture.  This was before the dogs started with their incessant itching, husband with his dizziness, and kid is on her second cold since Thanksgiving.  We'll see what the mold inspector finds next week.

Oh what a state I am in....nasal congestion prevented sleep last night and  chocolate has been my only consolation, as it is many days.  The past semi-fit life seems so far away and I have turned into one of those people who just gets through the day anyhow they can.  There might be an 15 extra pounds somewhere in this room, and not on the dog.  My head hurts from the sinuses through to the jaw and tmj's, my back itches non-stop.  You have given me some inspiration, though, that the picture will get better.  Thanks so much.

The two helpful M.D.s I've seen favor the "Eat for your Type" diet.  So after eating only fish & chick for 25 years I started eating some lamb, buffalo, & beef.  I think it has helped.  Is it because there is sulfer in red meat that helps to remove heavy metals?  Never in my life have I felt so "out of it".  Brain fog or some mind altering bio-toxin.  All of my teeth hurt.

Thanks again.

smileynow

Dec 23, 2011

To: terrybrown12

Yes, numbness and tingling are my constant compantions also, along with the above complaints. Why do you think it is worse (especially the pain)with antibiotics? I have reported this to several practitioners, and get no explanation. In retrospect, I do remember the right leg hurting more than the left last time (I think 2009, before implant) I went downhill skiing. I was taking doxycycline for ongoing skin/bladder issues. This right leg pain was greatly exaggerated after the implant & flu shot--then there was no question. So maybe there was something going on already---but not like this!

terrybrown12

Dec 23, 2011

To: all

I am titanium implant free!!
The front tooth came out and it is pretty sore,but it has only been a few hours since the surgery.
What a relief it is!!!
I will post again when some time has past and will hopefully have some great news healthwise to post.

smileynow

Dec 24, 2011

To: terrybrown12

You did it! I hope you will be improving daily. Did you have another zirconium implant put in? Now you will wear a partial until you can have a prosthetic tooth attached to the implant?

You must be relieved!

Did you have an itching back also--an itching under the skin? Only in the last few months (I have had my implant 2.5 yrs) I have noted a metallic taste around the implant--the gum is receding around it--maybe that is why.

Merry Christmas!

terrybrown12

Dec 24, 2011

To: smiley

I am very swollen and sore today. I look like a monkey and am in pain. The surgeon said to expect this. The front area is more delicate than the back.

Long story short--- He decided to let the bone graft hardens before putting in the zirconium, So I will be 1 year with a flipper, which is a fake front tooth that easily comes out and in. I had it before when the original implant was out in.

Even though this is the first one he has removed he has researched this so much and talked to so many professionals. I feel he is doing a great job. I would happily recommend both of my dentist to anyone wanting to have this done.
Oh and the bone graft material is 100 percent compatible with the body. It fills in the hole and lets the body grows new bone. This will takes 6 months then the zirconium implant will go in.
Only symptoms I have really had the past six months is numbness and muscle soreness (fatigue too). I am feeling a bit better but I think only time will tell. I know I relieved to have this metal out of my head. This metal that started all my issues 4 years ago.
I will say that the implants were put in well and everything looked fine as he removed them.

Everything I have read about titanium implants has taught me that this is not something a health conscious person would want in their body. I guess what I am saying is even if the symptoms do not go away right away I know I have made a good choice and this will benefit greatly my overall health.

Happy Holidays to you all.
Going to rest and make the best of it this Christmas weekend.

dragonfly1026

Dec 30, 2011

To: anyone

not going into the slop job my dds done. Does anyone know if 3 pins that went into my sinus cavity could be causing my dizziness, feeling like crap,weak, low b/p. I started feeling like this almost as soon as the upper implants were put in Nov. 2010. I only found out by another DDS Dec. 2011 that they were in my sinus cavity. Any info. would be greatly appreciated. Thank You

dragonfly1026

Dec 30, 2011

I have also heard about the Melissa Test. Is it worth doing. I am sure my doc. will tell me not to, and not want to do the blood work for it. I just need to know what is wrong with me. All this started in Nov. 2010, but not until recently have I put my finger on the fact that it could be from the pins.

hopefulinSJ

Dec 30, 2011

To: dragonfly1026

Sorry to hear about your implants perforating your sinus, that is without a doubt the reason for your illness.  I had the same experience.  I felt a lot better after I had the implant extracted (there was a hole in my sinus but I refused a bone graft and the hole healed just fine on its own) one year ago but I still wasn't 100%.  I learned that I had an infection in my jaw called a cavitation that was creating toxins and making me ill.  That was easily remedied with a few ozone injections.  The thing that continues to linger is an infection in my sinus.  The implant provides a breeding ground for microbes, and the fact that it is metal causes an acidic/EMF environment that allows microbes to grow at 600x the normal rate.  Since the implants perffed your sinus cavity it changed the landscape in your sinus to one that is a perfect breeding ground for microbes and for that reason it is very difficult to clear.  In my experience my dr has been able to clear the bacteria and yeast but we can't seem to kill the mold.  I was exposed to toxic mold during the time I had my implant in which is how it infected my sinus.

As for the Melisa test I wouldnt waste my time or money.  I am assuming that your implant is titanium and there is enough data available to suggest that titanium is toxic to the human body.  The dentists have been aware of this and the biological dentists as well as dentists in Europe have switched to zirconium implants which are ceramic/glass and more bio compatible.  The other thing is that a titanium implant is not pure titanium, it has other metals like nickel and when you combine 2 or more metals there is an ion exchange called galvanization which creates an EMF in your body, two drs told me I was a "charged battery" which makes your body vulnerable to the microbes we all have floating around our bodies.  Over time it completely wipes out your immune system.

From what we can tell on this thread people get better after the implant is removed.  I have an ongoing problem since my sinus was perffed but I am a lot better and am on a new protocol to kill the mold.

If i were you I would find a biological dentist to help you.  Regular drs are not literate at all on this topic despite the body of evidence available to them for at least 20 years.  I go to National Integrated Health Associates (NIHA) in DC.  They treat patients like us all day long.

Good luck and keep us posted.

dragonfly1026

Dec 30, 2011

To: All

I just read all the posts on here. I will tell my long story when I have some energy. I have currently lost 50 lbs. (I did not have to loose), before this I was healthy, ran my own business. I have been doing my own research on all of this, since every other doctor has different opinions. I just want my life back. I to had an autoimmune diffeciancy called chronic ITP. He knew this. I am so extremely weak, I have not been able to drive,work, etc. and isolated in this cabin. That was not my life before his crap work (explain later). Last night I pulled up info on this DDS. He refuses to give me my medical records and panaramic x-ray unless I sighn a release form holding him,his staff and company harmless from anything they done. Finally did get his receptionist to send me info. on inplants. They are IMTEC (alloys), although I also printed out a paper last night that said the guy who makes the temps. also makes implants. It says by law, dental labrotories can only make dentures,implants and other dental devices with a prescription from a licenced dentaist. Technichians such as himselm aren't required to hols a licence or certification, although some do get a national certificate from an industry group. Does not say he did). Also found out my DDS's credentials ABD,etc.etc. shows he does not hold these credintional at all. Also he took a 1 day class on putting in dental implants. The crap work he done that he says is not his problem. I am just trying to fight to stay alive. I feel so alone in this. I had 3 implants put in years ago by an oral surgeion that I had no problem with. From reading all your posts, not 1 person can make a change, but there seems to be an awful lot of people going through similar issues that maybe need to get together and make a bloody change. It does not seem we can rely on our goverment or FDA to protect us. Please forgive me if I sound as if I am vented a bit at the moment, guess I am. Have not as I said told my whole story as to what a crap job he done in every way and then said what he actually said to me. I did have a hair test done, my regular doctor thinks it means nothing. All the other opinions I have gotten have all said how sorry they are that any DDS could do this to anyone, turn him over to the ABOD. As usual no one doctor in the same proffesion or state want to actually go up against each other. any suggestions? hOW DO YOU REALLY MAKE SOMEONE UNDERSTAND WHO IS NOT GOING THROUGH IT? i HAVE NOW BEEN SICK FOR OVER A YEAR.

hopefulinSJ

Dec 30, 2011

To: smileynow

So sorry to hear of your troubles.  How did you make out with the mold inspector?  There are very few people who understand mycotoxin illness.  I have been doing a ton of reading and learned that I am pretty much going to have to chart my own course back to restored health.  Thank God I found my dr here and the ones in DC but really I need to advocate for myself to get this done.  I was going to wait until I had results to tell you about my new protocol (just started 3 days ago) but it sounds like you are really suffering and if it works for me the quicker you look into it if you want to, the better.

So, just to let you know how I came across it, I was doing a search of ingredients for nasal wash and things to take internally to kill mold based on the most credible research I could find.  I figured I would have to put together my own protocol.  The first thing I found was a nasal wash that contained all the ingredients I was looking for.  I couldn't believe it.  I knew I was onto something so I looked at the other supplements on the website and got really excited.  I called the company and spoke to the guy who develops the products and found out that he developed a protocol that would suit my needs.  I spoke to the dr in DC about it and he gave me the green light.

What I learned is that my thyroid is not functioning so no matter what I do to get better it won't work/or last until I fix the thyroid.  Have you taken your body temp?  Mine runs low like around 97.2.  Drs tell me "thats your normal"  but its not normal at all.  If you google wilson's temperature syndrome you can read about it.  So the first thing is I have to fix thyroid which is an 18 day protocol.  Included in that is a liver/gallbladder flush, another missing piece of the puzzle.  Because of all the stress on my body, all the infections esp the mold, my liver needs detox.  After the 18 days I go to DC for 1 week for raw food detox.  I will also get iv ozone and other treatments for mold to really hit it hard.  Then i do an 11 day MSM (and other things) detox.  So you may be onto to something with the sulfur.  The MSM is sulfur and will not only get rid of the bad stuff but will allow nutrients to get into the cells, something that has been a real problem with the whole cascade effect of mycotoxin illness.

I am really confident that this is going to be the thing that gets me 100%.  I will keep you posted.

Oh, if you wanted to look at that nasal wash it is just called nasal wash and the company that sells it is called Super Good Stuff.

hopefulinSJ

Dec 30, 2011

To: terrybrown12

Hope you are feeling better by now and had a good Christmas?

hopefulinSJ

Dec 30, 2011

To: dragonfly1026

you are right, i remember feeling what you are feeling right now. it is despicable what your dentist did. And when you finally put it all together it seems important to make it known to the guilty party, but if you feel like i felt when i still had implant i would advise you to direct 100% of your energy right now to getting better. maybe come back to holding the dentist accountable when you have more energy? you can file a complaint against the dentist on your states website for consumer affairs. that should help you get your records. but int the meantime, you need to get healthy. finding a good biological dentist is the first step.

terrybrown12

Dec 30, 2011

To: hopeful

thanks for checking on me.
It has been a tough one! Swelling has gone down but I still have mouth pain and need to have motrin every day. The surgeon is not surprised and said this is to be expected due to the way the implant was removed. He said it could take up to a month to heal. I am hanging in there!

Bethanne888

Dec 31, 2011

To: Anyone who knows

What are the risks and just how risky are these risks with having the implants removed. My health is declining faster and faster and my exhaustion is making making decisions for myself more and more challenging. I have severe burning mouth syndrome (stupid name for allergic reaction) and have to keep it in check with a high alkaline ph diet. I have lost 25 pounds and feel like hell. I am also having regular fillings changed out for inert materials by a holistic dentist. I am petrified to get the implants removed and am not sure what to believe or not believe the risks are. Of course the greatest risk is leaving them in - I know that.

Bethanne in Vermont

terrybrown12

Jan 01, 2012

To: Bethanne

Hi there,
I do not think there are any risks if taken out properly. Mine came out with ease. Must mention thought that the whole thing has been a MAJOR ordeal.
Finding the right person is key.
Terry

dragonfly1026

Jan 02, 2012

To: Anyone

Since I have been so ill since my implants were put in could it be I am allergic to these implants? I almost immediately stated feeling so extremely weak,dizzy,my ears feel like they hurt and a lot of pressure in them. I had to go get other opinions on the slop job of his final "product" because he refused to even talk to me. Two implants pulled from the bone the first time a went to take them out. One specialist my previous surgeon had sent me to for other opinion on this crazyDDS said three of the upper implants were in my sinus cavity. Could this have caused the ear pressure and pain?

He removed the 1 that was rejecting, he numbed the area and just screwed it out, nothing more.

I now for some time have been running a constant fever which is making me beleive I must have infection.

One of the other specialists before the one upper and one lower were removed said on his xray I had serious infection and was not sure if maybe the infection had gone into the bone. I went on antibiotics then in July. Now I have been off the antibiotics and I keep this fever, usually ranging from 100.6-8 and 101.1-6.

There is the weight loss of around 50lbs. since I have not been able to eat solids since July. I am blending and drinking organic.

Still feel as bad as I did in November when they were put in. This persistant fever is draining me even more. Have a lot of nasuea also.

Any suggestions and could it be possible the infection has gone into other body areas.

Any thoughts or suggestions.

hopefulinSJ

Jan 02, 2012

To: Bethanne888

No one on this form has reported any complications having them removed that i can recall and from what I can tell most if not all are doing better although the accuracy of that statement is limited to the people who post updates.

I was left with a hole in my sinus but it healed well on its own with no bone graft.

The one important thing to consider is choosing a competent surgeon to do the extraction. You want to make sure the candidate has lots of experience doing extractions.

hopefulinSJ

Jan 02, 2012

To: dragonfly1026

My implant also perforated my sinus and I had the same symptoms as you. I felt a lot better right after extraction. I didn't realize at the time I had a jaw infection called a cavitation. This caused fatigue. I had a few ozone injections which is the only way I am aware to kill the infection in the bone without surgery. That is why I recommended you find a biological dentist as they are the only ones who use ozone. I felt a lot better once the jaw infection cleared however I still have a chronic sinus infection that I am dealing with. You can scan my above posts to see where I am with that if you wish. As far as the infection getting into other organs that is a possibility. I have adrenal fatigue and my liver isn't working correctly as a result of the infections. I had my implant in for 4 years and it reeked havoc on my body and did a lot of damage to my immune system. Again scan my above posts as I feel we have similar cases.
Good luck and let me know if you have any questions

scargills

Jan 03, 2012

To: terrybrown12

Just a quick post in case anyone is interested if you look up Prof Douglas Swartzendruber and implants he says that eventually anyone who has a metal implant will get problems!! Happy New Year to all and is there anyone else with problems in the UK?

smileynow

Jan 04, 2012

To: hopefulinSJ

Hi there & thanks for the info. on the sinus rinse.

We had the mold inspection done last week and found there are airborne spores of Stachybotrys and Penicillium/Aspergillus in our master bath, as well as Chaetomium.  We don't know where the mold is coming from in the bath, as we have never had a plumbing leak that we know of and we see and smell no mold aside from the usual amounts that appear on the grout between cleanings.  There is also a large amound of Stachybotrys and other molds under the kitchen island cabinet, but only Cladosporium was found in the air sample there.  The kitchen island has a 10' x 5' piece of granite atop cabinetry that houses a sink and eating bar.  What a big job it will be to replace the cabinetry and flooring that extends in front of the cabinet.  We have been advised to move out of our house while we have the remediation done, and my husband wants to rent a condo for a month to see if our health improves.  Meanwhile, I am in the new habit of keeping a few windows cracked in addition to running the HEPA filter in the bedroom--I was already doing that anyway as it mitigates the noise from the traffic on a road behind our house.  This inspection was done by a certified industrial hygienist and mold inspector who does not do the remediation---so he obviously has no interest in finding mold where there is none.  Thinking about the cost is yet another stressor, as I have been reading many homeowners' insurance companies will not cover the cost of the remediation.

On top of all this my good friend from high school came to town (early, as she was called by the fire chaplin) over the holidays to find her 72 year old mother had developed Alzheimers' disease.  She found her mother had started a house fire, was walking around half naked one night when it was 19 degrees, had been escorted home 2x by police as people reported a woman driving around the block who appeared lost.  My friend is an only child who never married so she called her cousin to help out--her mother let the cousin in the house though she did not recognize him and then when my friend got there she told her to get "that man" out of the house.  A nightmare.  To top it off this previously well groomed woman had lost three teeth, had a bladder infection, and was dehydrated.  Once the infection was treated her delerium started to improve, but the hospital would not release her as it is believed she needs to be committed to a memory care center.  Meanwhile, I have been reading about the connection between Lyme disease, Herpes simplex, heavy metals and Alzheimers'.  But NO,  nobody wants to think about that.  Let's just label this woman with a chronic incurable disease, and lock her up and bleed her savings.  Yes, that is health care in America for you.  She is also combative and paranoid, thinking everyone wants to steal her money.  Now, there may be a shred of truth to this!

For myself, I think I came home from the implant surgery with a wound to the sinus.  I was taking antibiotics and using nasal steroids, which would have set me up to start a fungal colonization in the sinus.  Every day I thank God for the two wonderful doctors who are at least making it so I can function and am not in severe pain.  It is primarily because of the bioenergitic testing by the M.D./homeopath and you that I started thinking about toxic mold and got our house tested.  It took a year of going from doctor to doctor and dentist to dentist trying to figure what the problem is.

Meanwhile, I still have the surgery scheduled for later this month.  I only hesitate because he wants to do a Caldwell-Luc procedure and from what I read it is not without risk.  He must feel it is necessary--he said it will hard not to already be in the sinus when removing the implant.

I so much appreciate all of the information you have shared and your kind support.  We still need to schedule a remediation, find a place to live, be supportive to my friend (I am telling her to at least try one of the alternative Drs.), .....Sometimes I am just overwhelmed and though I don't feel depressed, it is harder and harder to stay organized and my house looks it.  I don't know....are we just going to be bringing the mold with us if we take our bedding & clothing?  What about our scratching dogs?

There is a mold Dr. in town, but I think he is pretty mainstream.  I don't know if I should bother.  Will he just want to give me steroids or think there is not a problem since I don't have seizures, vomit, or have a rash covering my entire body?  The dentist you mentioned in CA referred me to a mold Dr., but it would be almost a days' drive to get to her.  Meanwhile school starts in a week, and that makes it hard to leave town.  Ugggh.

Thanks for your encouragement and kind words.

Happy New Year!

terrybrown12

Jan 10, 2012

To: all

Hello,
If anyone wants the name of my dentists here in Orange County California please message me or send me an email at ***@****
I believe both my general dentist and the endodonist that removed the implants were God sends for me and I highly recommend them both.
I am recovering nicely, though there is still soreness.
I think I will be signing off for a while, though I am sure I will check in from time to time.
I wish everyone here the best and send good thoughts and prayers for everyones healing.
~Terry

terrybrown12

Jan 10, 2012

To: all

email---. I will try it this way as it did not show up above
terrybrown at aol *******

terrybrown12

Jan 10, 2012

To: all

wish there was an edit button. correction terrybrown12 at aol.

Fleetz

Jan 11, 2012

To: All

Just an update.

Today had my appointment with a Neurologist ....nearly an hour of examining MRI's previously done, complete examination and lots of question. The end of the appointment the diagnosis to my numbness and tingling was he had no idea. Dismissive of the titanium theory because my Maxifacial surgeon was.

Still can't get a MELISA test done as both labs that claim they are doing the test here in Australia still are not up and running.

I had mercury blood test as I told my doctor that I had about 18 months ago all my amalgam taken out. I am horrified at the procedure used here compared to what I have seen in the USA and how different they are. In the USA rubber dams, extractors, the dental people involved full face mask etc. Anyway I was 1 point away from setting a siren off 59 out of the maximum 60. So I am now on a detox program with some sulphur based medication.

I have done some research and numbness and tingling appears in some of the possible symptoms with high mercury levels. So we will see if this is the cause.

In the meantime I am still keen to have a MELISA if the labs can get themselves up and going!!

Regards,

Fleetz

terrybrown12

Jan 11, 2012

To: fleetz

Hi Fleetz,
I have spent many many hours researching the mercury connection to my health issues and the numbness and tingling.
Too much to write here...but, please research Andrew Cutler and his method of mercury detox. (do a google search)
If you want more info you can message me.
The method you are using can actually do some harm. You will see why if you dig into reading about Cutlers method. He wrote a book, Amalgam Ilness which explains it all. There is also a great Yahoo group that discusses this with some very helpful and informed people on it.
In my case I think I have the mercury issue and the getting the implants just triggered my current issues.(as in the mercury was the underlying issue and the implants were the so called straw that broke the camels back)
~Terry

smileynow

Jan 12, 2012

To: terrybrown12

Thanks for this info. terrybrown.

smileynow

Jan 13, 2012

To: All

Have any of you been able to keep your dental implant after having it removed? I am being told this will not be permitted, as the implant is a biohazard--Oh yeah, tell us something we don't already know!

How do you find if the implant is not what it is purported to be?

hopefulinSJ

Jan 13, 2012

To: Smiley

I am rushing, been crazy busy which is a really good thing.  A few quick things. The surgeon at upenn gave me my implant and I still have it. I would demand to take it with you. It is your personal property.  Tell them to put it in a biohazard bag but you will not leave it behind.

Yes you will take the mold with you.  Make sure you launder everything in something that kills mold. Also be careful not to bring it in anything else.  When I was in the hotel I kept coughing and finally figured out it was the book I was reading.  I read that u can microwave books and papers but I just through everything out. The dogs need to be treated too.

When is your surgery?  So excited for u. U r almost there!

smileynow

Jan 13, 2012

To: hopefulinSJ

Thank you for the information on keeping the implant.  An friend of mine told me to get a biohazard container and write up an agreement accepting the responsibiltiy for the transport, storage, and disposal of the biohazardous material.

Re: the mold--I was reading the air samples we had taken are not such a reliable way to diagnose a mold problem.  Then, I read the highest level we had in the master bath of 2,200 aspergillus (aspergillosis) spores per cubic meter is not considered hazardous.  If not for reading everyones' comments I would think it is the mold vs. implant, but there are so many common symptoms  contributors to this thread have had.  My doctor is testing for antibody levels to the Aspergillus (aspergillosis) & Stachybotrys to see the level of trouble being stirred up by the mold, but it will not be available for at least a week.  It seems the biggest problem for me is the mold that has set up housekeeping atop the implant in the sinus!

My friend also told me I should confirm the experienced surgeon I consulted with will be doing the surgery versus a resident, because it is at a teaching university.  So, I am going to get an email off tonight to confirm that.

Thanks for your support.  I don't know what to think about the mold at this point.  To know for sure you have to move out of your house for 10 days, and I haven't had the energy to do it.

smileynow

Jan 15, 2012

To: hopefulinSJ, All

You have all been so helpful in contributing to this thread.  It has meant so much not to be alone in this, and the information gathered has been invaluable.

My friends' advice was right on.  Today the surgeon contacted me and said we would need to reschedule if he is expected to do the procedure himself.  There was much research invested in finding a qualified and willing surgeon, and we naturally assumed from our meeting with him that he would be performing the procedure.  A good friend who recently underwent surgery at a university hospital was shocked to learn (after suffering complications) that the surgeon she had so diligently researched performed most of the surgery but left the close-up to the interns, who did a botch job resulting in infection.  On top of that, there was not room for her to stay on the gynological floor and she was put on the head injury floor which she thinks resulted her situation not being recognized sooner.

It must be the most experienced and qualified surgeon starts & directs many surgeries per day, and in this way more work gets done and more doctors get the training they need.  This is all well and fine, but not why I am traveling to another state.  Tuesday we can reschedule.

Meanwhile at least the drugs are helping we didn't get a suprise.  I have to be thankful the surgeon took time out of his weekend to contact me, as well.

Heres' to healing in the new year for all of you!  Thank you again for all of your stories and support.

Fleetz

Jan 24, 2012

Hi Folks,

Finally have a call from one of the two testing labs who are setting up Melisa testing to say they are ready to do a test. They are asking which metals to test and I said Titanium to which they said which which versions Titanium Dioxide etc. Each metal cost $80 to test here so it would be nice to be specific.
If my concern is the Grade 4 Titanium implants being the possible cause of the issue I have been experiencing which metals should I be tested for? Grade 4 is meant to be the purest titanium.

The chemical composition of the Straumann Grade 4 implants are:
Chemical Composition of CP Titanium Grade 4
·         Carbon 0.080 max
·         Nitrogen 0.050 max
·         Oxygen 0.40 max
·         Iron 0.50 max
·         Hydrogen 0.015 max
·         Other, 0.3 max per AMS 4921 G or 0.40 max per ASTM B 348-99
·         Titanium balance

I have no amalgam but high mercury levels which I am doing a Detox program on at the moment.

Any suggestions which metal I should test for with my MELISA test would be appreciated.

Regards,

Fleetz

alyssa911

Jan 24, 2012

Anyone know of a good attorney that deals with metal allergy involving malpractice?

smileynow

Jan 25, 2012

To: Fleetz

There is a lab here in the U.S. that has a dental panel lymphocyte transformation test incl. Al, Chromium, Copper, Gold, Mercury, Nickel, Silver, Tin, bone cement & particles, Cobalt-alloy particles & Titanium-alloy particles. The cost is $550.00u.s.--you can find them online: orthopedic analysis dot com. I think I paid Melisa nearly that much just to test for just the Ti, V, & Al, so this seems to me like you would get more for your money in thinking about the other metals in your mouth. My blood was drawn at a local lab in the Western U.S. & then shipped to Switzerland, so it does not seem you have to have the work done at a local lab. I have not used orthopedic analysis, but found them when I was thinking of repeating the test. Their # is 1-312-733-7121 if you are interested.

Good luck.

smileynow

Jan 25, 2012

To: alyssa911

From what I understand you have to have injuries of a catastrophic nature in order to be considered worthy of consideration for malpractice. That we were not fully informed of the potential for metal sensitivity---that we were not informed there is a choice in the materials implanted in our bodies (ie. grade 4 vs. grade 5 Ti)----now that is another matter that I would think merits consideration for a class action type of lawsuit.

If you find a prospective attorney have him read this thread.

Good luck.

eric7286

Feb 22, 2012

To: Stormy1J

wow you nailed it... reading your post helps me feel a lot better, because you can't really understand this until you've been through it.. i know that if i haven't been suffering so much due to my implants, i would have thought people like me and you were hypochondriacs

christa247

Apr 28, 2012

I have heard titanium in the mouth can cause autoimmune disease. Why dont they ban titanium and use zerconium as they do in Europe. I heard they make more $ on using titanium in the mouth. For some reason people who have titanium in other parts of body are not affected

smileynow

Apr 30, 2012

To: christa247, ALL

Hi christa247

My experience is that if you have a tendency toward autoimmune issues or allergies then implanting anything in your body is probably not a good idea.  Physicians probably have an inkling of this but turn a blind eye as the "studies" usually are in support of industry.

Unknown to me at the time of my implant surgery I was possibly living in a moldy environment.  Tomorrow the contractors are removing a kitchen island in order to remediate Stachybotrys contamination.  Prior to the surgery I was already suffering from rhinosinusitis, which should have been a contraindication to the surgery.

There is some connection between the mold and irritation in the sinus near the implant.  An environmental M.D. told me that 24% of the population is not well equipped to detoxify from the mold.  I speculate the same 24% may not be able to detoxify from the titanium.  So far I am still living with the implant but using antifungals and other meds. supplements to assist with detoxification.

It may be a while before I get to the computer again.  I'll let you know how removing the mold helps.

lil1100

May 17, 2012

To: smileynow

I have to iplants. Each time I go to the dentist for cleaning. About a week or two later I start having dizzy spells. Has this happened to anyone else with implants. I went to my dr. who referred me to have a mri. The results were that no problem with my brain.

B4SuzieQ

May 18, 2012

About 1 1/2 years ago I had a titanium plate inserted in my neck. Since then I have had a rash that just will not go away. Also after the surgery it took me a very long time to recover, over 3 months, and I have never regained my strength or energy again. I have been to so many doctors trying to get well and get rid of this rash. My PCP told me that if I came up with something reasonable, she would pursue it. After reading a lot of posts here, I went to the Melisa website and printed off the information there and brought it into my doctor. She has agreed to order the testing for me. I also spoke with Dr. Valentine-Thon from Melisa, who is very nice and will answer questions. I will continue to update here as I find out if any of this pans out.

Of those of you that had the implants removed, how long did you have the implants and how long did it take you to feel better? Is there a correlation there?

JustinWayne

May 23, 2012

To: All

I'm quite impressed with the minds at work at this post and the spirit to overcome.

I've had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for most of my life since age 23.

What's difficult for me is that I've already had some of the symptoms of
titanium allergy for at least three years or longer.

I had my two implants surgically installed where #29 &30 were in my jaw on 12 07 11.
I did seem just a little more tired that week.  Thought it was just implications of oral surgery.

In the last several months shortly after the crowns were installed, the ringing
in my ears has become much more sharper than before.

I know from previous experience that dental or ear infections can cause ringing in the
ears similar if not the same to tinnitus.  This sound has a unique signature.

At least one person on the board has brought up thyroid problems with low body temperature.
Now in the past three years, I've had experience with both of these and a lot of the symptoms
experienced are very similar to what I have been reading and hearing about regarding titanium  here and at other websites like Melisa.org.  So with the thyroid, my focus and memory had gotten worse as
hypothyroid can mimic Alzheimer's all too well.  T-3 is not the easiest hormone to manage.

The symptoms of titanium that seem to stand out the strongest for me are:
The increased dizziness and ear ringing, some increase of joint pain& muscle weakness and yes, both increasing mental and physical fatigue added to existing fatigue.  At times, the increased depression
concerns me.  I'm using selenium and iodine to offset some of the symptoms of this metal.

Difficult decisions looking for just one more dentist.

I live in Ventura County and could use all the objective feedback I can get.

kkll197

May 27, 2012

To: Stormy1J

I have a few implants, not completed yet..getting five total. Well, they put a zirconium (porcelain) tooth on and I felt very sick, dizzy, bloated. They removed it and I felt immediately better. Its obvious you have a sensitivity to zirconium...right now I am having more trouble since they put in a "titanium" screw after a bone graft..which comes out in another month..so hoping i get better then. I doubt it is pure titanium because the titanium implants did not cause harm..but it might be just that it is so close to the sinus. At any rate. you can use oral chelation to help with the metal allergy...go to a holistic doctor if you cannot get a regular one to help you, and try chelation therapy. They can do it innerveinously and it removes heavy metals from the body, and you can also take chelation supplements. I had to have it done after suffering for years from the metal/mercury fillings that nearly destroyed me. Now, I was feeling better and had these implants placed. i was fine until the bone graft so not sure if it is the screw or what is causing the problem. I also developed a swollen salivary duct and just had it removed. I am now wearing metal based teeth on top of my implants but so far have not had alot of problem and not sure what the metal is. I do know however that I had a bad reaction to zirconium in a "lava" tooth that I had removed. Also, for pain management, get some magnets...Dr Philpott (check internet or ebay) has two little ones on a velcro strip to attach to a wrap and you can place them over the face or whever the pain is and it has helped me.

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