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WendyB87

Nov 15, 2012

To: smileynow/Iwillsurvive

Thanks for the info and support. I have my fingers crossed about this oral surgeon and will let you know what happens! Also, thanks for all the info and especially the tip about the Readisorb Glutathione. I ordered some milk thistle but will add this too! I'm taking NyQuil and DayQuil to alleviate the allergic reactions. It feels crazy but it actually helps a lot. There must a better way though....

Also Lauren, I'm sorry to hear that your mother is having trouble too. I imagine that the metal she has in her hip is even greater than dental implants and therefore probably causes even more severe symptoms. Did she have MELISA test or was she tested specifically for a prosthestic? I am still finding it so hard to believe that doctors are inserting metals into people without considering metal allergies!!! I hope she finds out something definitive from her blood test and is able to find a solution fast.

JustinWayne

Nov 18, 2012

To: KitKat22

"Once I got the implants out I slowly started to get better. It has been a year and 3 months since I've had the implants out and I am 90% better! Some days I feel great and some days I can literally feel the toxins draining out of my head".

It's just been 12 days since you posted this and a lot has been said since.
I for one would sure like to know at what rate you improved from month to
month. The average would tell us 6% per month or did you have healing spurts?
Which symptoms disappeared first and was there anything dramatic that you could share?

At Least Twice as Old

smileynow

Nov 21, 2012

To: KitKat22

What great news! Thank you so much for posting your recovery story.

--Just to recap, did you have other body symptoms, or just the localized reaction to the implants? It sounds like you went to MaryAnns' surgeon and simply had the implants removed vs. cavitation surgery. I am so glad you figured out what was contributing to your trlouble and took care of it. The baby wouldn't have liked the titanium, either!

Colly1711

Dec 02, 2012

To: terrybrown111

Nine days to surgical removal of 4 titanium implants. It has been a long and most uncomfortable wait; I don't wish these autoimmune symptoms on anyone! How long before significant improvement is felt. At the moment I have no energy, I am basically confined to bed.

WendyB87

Dec 03, 2012

To: Colly1711

The best of luck to you! I'll be thinking of us and please keep us posted once they are out!

michelholly

Dec 03, 2012

To: KitKat22

Hi KitKat
Just read your post. I just broke my tooth and they say it's not repairable.
So I was looking at an implant.
But now after looking at everyone's post's, I'm having second thoughts.
I"m highly allergic to everything.
Do you know if people can just leave the hole there without any issues?
I may just have it extracted?
Would love to hear your thoughts?
Thanks
Holly

B4SuzieQ

Dec 03, 2012

To: michelholly

Sorry to hear about your tooth. I would get a second opinion and a metal test. What about a crown or a bridge? If it is a back tooth they can even smooth your tooth down and leave it like that . There are good dentists out there that are going to zirconium and most people can deal with that. I wish you the best. Please let us know what happens.

terrybrown111

Dec 03, 2012

To: Colly1711

Hi Colly,
I started feeling better right away. The healing for me was both quick and slow if that makes sense. It is different for everyone and there are some variables, but I am sure you will feel a marked difference with in a week or so.
Terry

WendyB87

Dec 04, 2012

To: michelholly

I'm allergic to everything and am now suffering the most disturbing symptoms from two titanium implants and going through the process of trying to have them removed. I would save yourself the misery. I also had a metal test and paid about $400 (including a dr.'s visit who would write a prescription). I didn't come up allergic to titanium but something called indium. I'm not sure that test would have stopped me from getting the implant. My hyersensitive system is resulting in the titanium being toxic to me even though not necessarily allergic. Therefore, I would think twice and than again.

I agree with B4SuzieQ. Maybe a zirconium implant would work if you need it for a front tooth. I would suggest a dentist who does biocompatible dentistry overall. I've never been to one yet myself but have located one in my area (NY) so you should be able to find one. Good luck!

smithjka

Dec 10, 2012

I can't believe everything I'm reading on this thread. I have felt like I'm losing my mind ever since I received my dental implant in May 2012. After 7 visits to dentists, endodontists, periodontists, oral surgeons etc. I'm meeting for the last time with my periodontist in 2 days to discuss the removal of my Ti implant. While there was some discussion of a possible metal allergy, at this point I have no other option but to remove it. My symptoms for the past several months has been shooting pain from implant site, headache (constant), chronic fatigue, difficulty concentrating at work, itchy skin. My implant is fully fused to bone. Question: for those of you that have an a fused implant, was it a difficult surgery?

terrybrown111

Dec 10, 2012

To: smithjka

not at all. :)

smileynow

Dec 11, 2012

To: All

Has anyone had their implant/s removed via laser surgery? I think there is supposed to be less destruction to the surrounding bone than with the trephine burr method of removal where the Dr. has to core around the implant.

WendyB87

Dec 11, 2012

To: smithjka

I'm also going through the same thing. I think I was actually allergic to the crown I had which had palladium bands on them, and once I had them removed am still reacting to the implants. I have also had intense daily headaches, itchy skin, my mouth and lips burned, my tongue blistered, I feel nausea, etc. I've had these symptoms for about 2 months now and first had the crowns out, then a day ago had the abutments out. It's been a maddening experience. I'm sorry that you're having all these problems. I wish them on no one. Good luck and keep us posted as to what you decide to do.

Colly1711

Dec 11, 2012

To: terrybrown111

Yay, after years of undiagnosed symptoms, ranging from facial eczema, which included my eyelids and inner ears, extreme fatigue (bedridden in the last few weeks), neck, head & shoulder pain, sciatic pain, numb / tingling / burning palms and soles, depression, inability to excercise, abdominal bloating, colcon impaction etc... I am finally metal free as of today!! I had 10 nickel / chromium crowns removed; two of them were fused to root canalled non-vital teeth which teeth were extracted. Today I had 4 titanium implants removed. The 2 which were abutted (placed 3 years ago) were trephined out. The other 2 were placed 15 months ago (replacements for failed implants) and had NOT osseointegrated!
I the time I have been ill, getting worse by the month, I have been misdiagnosed and tested negatively for lymphoma, lupus (twice), MS, chronic fatigue, masked depression, various food allergies and IBS.
I had to do my own research, the doctors in our small town still do not acknowledge metal allergies (dentists here still use amalgam). I found a Maxillo Facial prof 4 hours drive away who was willing to remove them, but had to wait many weeks for a consultation and even longer for gap in his schedule for surgery.
I have 50 stitches, am still bleeding, but am delighted to be free of my metal 'imposters'.
Hang in there, all of you fellow sufferers; there were days when I didn't think my body would last 'til morning. But I'm still standin', and will post on recover for those interested.

B4SuzieQ

Dec 11, 2012

To: Colly1711

I wish you all the best. You are a very courageous person. Hopefully others can learn from all that you went through. I hope you will continue to post and let us know how you are doing.

Colly1711

Dec 11, 2012

To: Colly1711

Further to above symptoms, I also had breathing difficulties (what I imagine emphysema could feel like). The only 'oddity' which did come up in 2 recent tests was increased urinary porphyrins - which, according to anecdotal evidence found online - is a biomarker of metal toxicity. My resident physician has no answer for this anomaly, yet says that if I recover after implant removal, he will eat 'humble pie'. Anyone out there have the recipe?

terrybrown111

Dec 12, 2012

To: colly

wow that is alot! I sent you a message.

Colly1711

Dec 12, 2012

To: All

I still need to have 8 temporary plastic crowns replaced with ceramics, the posterior teeth shall have to be a "valplast" partial denture. I want no metal in my mouth whatsoever. As much as the medical fraternity promote metal free alternatives; my feelings in that regard have been influenced by the many articles I've read. Albeit that much of what we read is anecdotal, anything put on a tooth would seem to be okay, anything placed in the body could have autoimmune reactions. ( There has been a marked increase in autoimmune disease and cancers worldwide, to my way of thinking, not too many have or want to 'join the dots').
Day 1: Purchased 2 bottles of 'liquid zeolite' and am detoxing with that. Next purchase - bentonite clay. I feel weak but mentally vital.
I am keeping all of my medical documentation and have been taking photos of my face. At full recovery, I want to take this up with our District Health Board, if anything comes of it and I can save even one person from this trauma, both physical and financial, it will be a bonus.
Furthermore, if my experience as related on this forum are beneficial to any one person, this journey will have had meaning.

WendyB87

Dec 15, 2012

To: Colly1711/All

Colly1711, thank you for sharing your story. It's inspiration and is indeed helping me, as with so many of the posts, to get through this "nightmare."

Kudos for getting all of the metal out of your mouth. That must not have been easy. Hearing that you've done it though will help me to push forward. I also having symptoms, which have ranged from migraines, burning mouth, blistered tongue, lesions in mouth, neck pain, nausea, intestinal burning, itching, visual disturbance, feeling disconnected from my body, etc.

My titanium implants were put in a year ago and the symptoms didn't kick in until I had the abutments and crowns (with metal bands on the lingual side) put in, although full symptoms didn't come on until several months later. MELISA testing revealed I am "allergic" to indium, which may have been an alloy used in the "silver palladium" crown. 60% of my symptoms were relieved when that came out, but others, such as itching skin, lesions in mouth, and strong headaches have persisted.

I'm hoping that my luck is turning though. After meeting with my conventional dentist who asked if it's okay to put vaseline on my lips in case I'm sensitive to it, I'm meeting with a new oral surgeon/dentist tomorrow, who knows the founder of the MELISA test and is on the same page, to get a metal free temporary I can use after the implants are removed. I spoke with him on the phone and he totally acknowledged what I'm going through (If anyone in the NY area wants his info let me know). :)

Also, I had a ton of blood work done since my conventional dentist is on the hunt for a different cause and my ANA came back through the roof at 640. While the conventional doctors might not agree yet, I know that this is from the metals. In fact, my sensitivities to all metals are increasing so that I can't tolerate the temporary metal-backed maryland bridge the oral surgeon used when I was "healing." Even the glue he used to keep it on it burning the crap out of my tongue and making me sick (lol, it fell off which is helping me to move forward but I'm having a hard time getting the glue off myself). Although I'm not sure how I'm going to fund this, I want the titanium out asap so that I can begin to heal.

Throughout this journey so far its been difficult to deal with doctors who stamp your forehead with some kind of psych patient label as you're talking to them. I've seen it happen several times now and have heard stories from others too. These doctors need to expand their thinking. With environmental factors the way they are combined with ignorance, I can only imagine that dental metals are going to affect more and more people and in addition to the ill health the expense is prohibitive. Anyway, thank you everyone for sharing. Your stories give me the strength that I need to keep pushing forward to get to the end of this very strange trip.

Colly1711

Dec 17, 2012

To: WendyB87

I concur with the 'psych' labelling; my GP also looked at the array of symptoms and prescribed 'happy pills'. Having said that though, the psych I was referred to acknowledged that it is known in the med profession that Nickel causes depression and I had 4 nickelbacked (sic) crowns for many years. When these were removed, the teeth underneath were black, this was ground off. The new crowns (10 upper) I believed were porcelain. It was only after a desperate search for an answer that a pan x-ray revealed that these were porcelain baked onto nickel / chromium. You may want to read up on 'oral galvanism' - the 'battery-in-the-mouth' effect of dissimmilar metals in the prescence of saliva.

smileynow

Dec 18, 2012

To: All

To date the positive side effects of my one titanium implant are as follows:

#1.  The addition of a metal implant increased the total toxic load to the point where my body no longer could keep up, and as a result discovered environmental factors (toxic mold) that had been contributing to chronic rhinitis, sinusitis, muscle and joint aches.  Long term use of nasal and bronchial steroids have been replaced with an antifungal nasal spray and changing residences.

#2.  Root canaled teeth are at risk for failure if an implant is installed adjacently.  Mine did and I am glad it is gone after reading about the toxicity of root canals and the correlation with breast cancer.

#3.  The limitations of conventional medicine and dentistry have been revealed.  Critical thinking skills must be employed to save yourself from the negative consequences of any treatment or recommendation.

#4.  Alternative forms of treatment have been maligned by the mainstream media, but again you need to think for yourself and do your own research.
So far I have had excellent results with detoxification measures such as infrared sauna and glutathione.

--I still have a beautiful and functional implant which is serving the mechanical purpose it was designed for.  After reading about metal implants and the correlation with "implant syndrome" as well as bone cancer it will bring peace of mind to have it removed.  Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread.  It has been good to not know I am alone in this.

#.

WendyB87

Dec 19, 2012

To: Colly1711/All

I need to replace the porcelain baked to metal crowns in my mouth too, only at least I know that's what they are. The dental profession is really out of control and although they are always cutting into people's bodies and placing things in the mouth, it seems like they are held less accountable than anyone else.

I have heard of the galvanizing effect and I'm sure that that is how my situation started. Anyway, I had my implants removed yesterday. The last o mfy symptoms are already gone - no more migraines, no itching skin, no metal taste in my mouth, etc. I am a bit swollen and very sore though. The surgery was rough but at last it is over!!!

WendyB87

Dec 19, 2012

To: smileynow

I wholeheartedly agree with your post. I had my implants out yesterday. Without clear information from the medical profession, the decision was more difficult because I second-guessed myself along the way. Now that they are out though, I know I did the right thing.

I hope that you can find the strength and guidance regarding your remaining implant. In addition to critical thinking, also listen to your body. Mine was screaming at me. In fact, I'm not sure I had much of a choice. I am sore, swollen, and broke, but feel some peace of mind which is priceless.

Good luck and thanks also to all who have given me the courage to move forward.

WendyGib

Dec 19, 2012

To: ALL

Wow, I've been reading and reading all of your posts for the past few days and am overwhelming amazed at how brave and courageous you all are! I started doing research on implants the past few weeks as I have to have my back molar extracted (after a root canal and crown just 18 mo ago) so was trying to read all I could about implants. I noticed this thread about metal allergies and was immediately drawn in because my 78 year old mother has had 9 dental implants put in over the past year and has been really sick ever since! This is not an ordinary 78 year old woman - my mom has always been extremely healthy and active - the World Duathlon Champion for her age group in her early 70's and one who typically rides her bike an average of 600/700 miles each month! (The young men in her bike club have a hard time keeping up with her!)
Now she is aching, her face and body has continual lesions/boils that will not go away and she is depressed (although she doesn't want to admit that part) - she may not even be able to come for Christmas as she can hardly get out of bed.
I sent my mom a link to the Melisa Test website and a few other forums and she is certain that this must be what's happening to her.
Her oral surgeon has dismissed this connection (so irritating) - she has also been to 2 different dermatologists with no relief.
Her greatest concern is the difficulty in removing 9 implants and the significant cost - she's already spent over $30,000 on these implants.
I've watched this healthy, vibrant, woman become old in just a very short time.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
So sorry this is such a long post!

smileynow

Dec 20, 2012

To: WendyB87

Wow. If you wouldn't mind a recap, where were your implants and did you have an oral surgeon remove them?

It is amazing if you are feeling better already!

smileynow

Dec 20, 2012

To: All

Another condition that may apply is Neuralgia induced cavitational osteonecrosis (NICO). It is thought to be created in part by root canals and extractions where the periodontal membrane is not removed. A contributing factor may be poor blood flow to the jaw. One biological dental office I spoke with said that virtually every implant they had removed had a cavitation at the apex. The infrared sauna opens blood vessels and so may stimulate blood flow to the jaw. Although maybe not a cure, for me it has reduced symptoms even with the implant in place.

Colly1711

Dec 20, 2012

To: WendyB87

When comparing being 'broke' to being 'broken', it's a no-brainer!

Colly1711

Dec 20, 2012

To: WendyGib

Advice: Find an Oral surgeon to remove them! Her story is a mirror image of mine. I am in my 50's, was athletic and went from hero to zero, literally bedridden. Also had depression.

WendyB87

Dec 20, 2012

To: smileynow/All

This is a recap of what happened that I hope can help others in making some hard decisions:

Last December 5th (at age 51) I had two titanium implants placed in my lower jaw on the central and lateral incisors. The only symptom I had at the time was some pain in my jaw around the implants that came and went but never fully went away.

I had two titanium abutments placed around August 20th and two crowns with silver palladium backs placed the first week of September.  After the abutments went in I just felt "off" and got very sick from car fumes. The full symptoms didn't kick in until late October.

In late October, first my mouth and lips BURNED, my tongue stung where it touched the crowns, my mouth tasted badly like metal, I got blisters on my tongue, lesions on the roof of my mouth, my skin crawled, my upper stomach burned like acid indigestion, I felt nausea, felt disconnected from reality, could not function well, had a stiff and painful neck, experienced visual disturbance (did not see that the ends of words were missing when I typed) and had daily migraines.

I had MELISA testing done and the only thing that was out of the norms (above 3.0) was indium. The dentist took the crowns off at my request (temps went back over titanium abutments). I felt some immediate relief. Visual disturbance cleared up and so did thinking. But my mouth still tasted like metal and I got a painful lesion on the roof of my mouth behind my two front teeth. I also still had migraines, itchy crawling skin, and and nausea.

I then had bloodwork done which indicated a VERY high ANA level at 640. The doctor wanted me to get more testing done to see what autoimmune disease might fit my symptoms (of course it couldn't be the implants).

I had the abutments removed and replaced with the maryland bridge with metal wings. This was the same bridge used on me when I was recovering from the implants but now it stung my tongue and my mouth still tasted awful like metal.

I had the luck to find an oral surgeon who practices in Europe and the US. He also specializes in zirconium implants and removing titanium. He is an acquaintance of the person who developed the MELISA test and totally understood my situation. I had the implants out two days ago on Wednesday.

For now at least, ALL of my symptoms are gone. Sorry the story is so long, but in a relatively short time, it has been a long and scary journey. I've been heavily questioned by conventional doctors and at times felt like I actually was going insane. Now that I feel normal, I don't regret my decision at all. I am only grateful that I found the strength to do, which in fact, I found on this post and by talking to others who have been through it.

WendyGib, I feel bad for your mom. I only put $8,000 into my mouth before I had them out and I only had two implants and not 11. It is a tough and scary decision. She will most likely not want to invest an additional $30,000 in zirconium implants. But what is life if she feels horrible? Ask her to find another oral surgeon who is more knowledgeable. Keep us posted as to what she decides to do.

smileynow

Dec 20, 2012

To: WendyB87

Many of your symptoms overlap symptoms of mold toxicity, so it must be that whether mold or metal the body exhibits some of the same symptoms. Is the oral surgeon you

smileynow

Dec 20, 2012

To: WendyB87

Is your oral surgeon practicing anywhere on the West Coast?

WendyB87

Dec 21, 2012

To: smileynow

It's interesting that the symptoms overlap. I don't know what that means other than the body is reacting to toxins in general. I was a little concerned about mold since we live in an apartment in an old house but the symptoms are gone now so I'm attributing them to the implants AND the crowns. The silver palladium created more severe symptoms in me than the titanium.

Unfortunately I believe Dr. Shamantov only practices on the east coast (he's in NJ & Manhattan) and in Bulgaria. You might ask TerryBrown111 about her doctor though, since she lives on the West Coast and found a good oral surgeon to remove her implants.

smileynow

Dec 25, 2012

To: all

.......and since not having enough time to use the infrared sauna this last week pain around the implant is back.  The dilation of the blood vessels caused by the sauna no doubt increases circulation to the ischemic part of the jaw near the implant, bringing relief.  This supports the theory that cavitations do exist.

So far I have only been able to find general dentists who are practiced in cavitation surgery.  It would be preferable to have an oral surgeon as my implant has clearly created an anotomic abnormality in the sinus.  This needs to be cleaned up and sealed right.

The dental community is loathe to admit cavitations exist as they are in part caused by the standard of care, namely root canals and routine extractions.  An oral surgeon willing to treat this condition may fear losing referrals from other dentists in his community, and herin lies the problem.  Peer pressure and fear of losing income is dictating what is or is not real.

There is research that supports this hypothesis and people like me living with the exact condition the establishment says does not exist.  Denial is not going to make this condition go away!

WendyB87

Dec 25, 2012

To: smileynow

I consulted with an oral surgeon on the east coast (Manhattan) who also does cavitation surgery (as per his website). If you're on the east coast you might want to consult with him. He's gotten excellent online reviews and while he was in an expensive location (Park Ave) his prices were not that bad.
His website is: http://www.manhattan-oralsurgery.com/

Keep us posted.

smileynow

Dec 28, 2012

To: All

For anyone interested there is a research paper titled "Chrinic Jaw Osteitis (NICO) and heavy metals: A threat for systemic regulation" on the a website called biological dental health. I

Bent_not_broken

Jan 01, 2013

To: All

Yes, yes. I have had ongoing health issues since my titanium dental implant. I'm a highly allergic person and have known for some time that I'm allergic to nickel. Is it the muscles that got out of whack during the procedures or the implant itself, I don't know. I've been searching and searching for answers to no avail. If you guys know any more, please please let me know. Thank God I may have found the answers.

mooseymoo

Jan 08, 2013

To: Bent_not_broken

Thank GOD, I have found this site as well.

I had a titanium upper tooth implant in August 2010.  Within 3 months I could tell my body was fighting an infection (I had severe pain in my lymph nodes and the pain penetrated down my arms for months accompained with several hot flushes throughout the day).

My doctor did all the blood tests and nothing came back abnormal. Two months later I suffered pain in my left knee which over a course of months progressed to severe pain and inflammation, on top of that I developed plantar fasciltis (in my right foot), problems with my eyesight, a painful jaw, which find it difficult to open in the morning, (my husband said that might be a blessing as I chat too much LOL) and now my right shoulder is painful.

After a year of countless blood tests, xrays and MRI's (on the knee) which all came back normal (apart from my platelets which were shown to be high).  I was finally referred to a rheumatoloigist last month, who informed me I was suffering from an autoimmune disorder which was attacking my the synovial fluid in my joints.

I am 40 years old with two small children.  I have been active and healthy all my life. I just DO NOT believe my body can develop an autoimmune disorder that quickly when I have not changed one thing about my lifestyle / diet.  It is just too much of a coincidence that my autoimmune disorder started within weeks after the implant was put in.  I am unsure as to exactly what has caused my immune system to attack itself but I do know it is down to the implant, either my body see's it as a 'foreign body' OR I am allergic to nickel.  I tend to lean towards the latter as I am unable to wear any form of metal (apart from gold or silver) without breaking out in a rash.

I have spent hours on the internet researching the connection between 'titanium implants and autoimmune disorders' and there is most certainly a link between the two. For anyone in doubt read through these posts and do a bit of research, google: proffessor Doulglas Swartzendruber and Dr Thomas Rau (Director of the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland).  These are two of many professional's who agree that titanium implants should not be used.

I am having mine removed next month.

scargills

Jan 08, 2013

To: mooseymoo

Hi, I see you are in the UK, were you able to find someone easily to take your implant out and do you know how they are going to do it. I also have read as much as I could find on the internet and was very interested in Proff Swartendrubers findings. I so wish I could turn the clock back and have nver had these implants.

rux1960

Jan 08, 2013

I was just going to go to Romania to do my teeth ( including implants- titanium since my dentist there tried to convinced me I cant do the zirconia as my jaw has a difficult arch. in the meantime I have read more and learned all the downsize of titanium implant and what they can do.SInce my health is not great I think I have to reconsider the idea and find a place to do the zirconia or just do a partial denture( since I have to change the old bridges I have in my mouth for the last 18 years and created a lot of the problems I had with my gum and not being able to eat.I was wondering if I can do a MELISA test before to see if I am sensitive to titanium but I learned here that even I dont show in the test I might still get toxins from it. any ideas for other aternatives?

mooseymoo

Jan 09, 2013

To: scargills

Hi, I am from the UK but live in the middle east. I have found a dentist out here who will remove the implant - I am not sure how exactly as I still need to discuss the procedure with him, but I do trust him. After a long search for a good dentist, it has been a great relief to find one who is well educated (he knows he is not a doctor or scientist (or god LOL) so would never dare suggest there is no link between implants and automimune diseases or other serious health issues), thankfully, he is not that narrow minded. At the moment, my main concern is getting this awful thing out of my mouth and trying get my life back again.

Rux1960 - personally I wouldn't go to Romania to have any dentistry work done, you have no come back if things go wrong. Yes, it is cheaper but you shouldn't cut costs when it comes to your teeth and ulitmately your health. I would suggest you find a holistic dentist or a dentist you feel comfortable with who can give you other alternatives rather than titanium implants. It is just not worth it.

scargills

Jan 09, 2013

To: mooseymoo

Thanks for you reply, there is a new tool out that will remove an implant by unscrewing it leaving a neat hole and no more bone loss. I think it is called retrieval tool, if you look at osseonews site they have it in one of their adverts. I am trying to find someone in the uk who uses it but my problem is they are only interested when someone wants to replace their implant with a new one!! I am determined to get these out of my mouth no matter what it takes.

Rux1960
You may regret having implants if you go down that route.

terrybrown111

Jan 09, 2013

To: all

I just had my upper front tooth Zirconium implant put in (the titanium was removed last December)
It has been a long journey and I finally nearing the end. In 6 months I get a crown and no more plastic trays or flippers!
The great news is I am feeling wonderful these days.
For those of you having your implants removed, I am happy for you and know how you feel. For those considering titanium, please don't do it!

terrybrown111

Jan 09, 2013

To: all

PS, the back zirconium implant has a crown now and I am going very well with it!

mooseymoo

Jan 09, 2013

To: scarsgill

hi, thanks for your reply.  I know there is a tool that is used (I think) by Dr Peter Fairbairn (Scarsdale dental in Kensington) that uses the trephine bur, maybe this is the standard tool used by most dentists to remove implants I am not sure...the retrival tool though, sounds promising.

I know that during the removal of the implant fragments of the titanium can be left behind which does worry me. My dentist, however, has assured me he would not to let this happen.  Have you tried contacting Dr Fairbairn? he may be able to help you or if not, he may be able to recommend someone who can.

terrybrown111 - pls can you let me know how your implant was removed?  So glad to hear that you are on the mend.

rux1960

Jan 10, 2013

WendyB87

Jan 11, 2013

To: rux1960

Maybe another dentist would have a different opinion about whether or not he or she is able to put in zironium implants. My dentist (NY area) says he uses technology from all over the world in order to have the most flexibility.

Also, you are right about the MELISA test. It can't test toxicity, just allergy. I did not test as allergic to titanium or for that fact, many metals, and yet they were HIGHLY toxic.

smileynow

Jan 11, 2013

To: WendyB87

Exactly. Early on one contributor to this thread, Bertin76, referred to his titanium implants as toxic. How right he was!

WendyB87

Jan 12, 2013

To: smileynow

Oddly enough, the resin temporaries put in my mouth after the titanium implants were removed are also now "toxic" to me. Dental materials were not toxic to me before the titanium implants so I believe that they set my system on high alert in some way. I've been doing a lot of cleansing and the symptoms have gotten better but by each evening the resin is stinging my tongue and I can taste it.

WendyB87

Jan 12, 2013

To: All

To add to my previous post, I'd be remiss if I didn't add that I feel soooooo much better overall after having the metal-based crowns and titanium implants removed.

Gallatin

Jan 31, 2013

To: All

Wow, amazing responses.

I was hoping someone could help me.

In December I had a nasty flu, kind of just slow and simmering. When I get the flu I feel like I'm on an elevator of sorts and have vertigo. I also had some tingling in the extremities when drinking too much caffeine at this time.

Anyway, I had a missing lower back tooth (one of the key ones for chewing) that needed replacing. I opted for a single implant (titanium) on January 17th. The procedure went very well, and I felt perfect (besides the surgery pain) for three days. Unfortunately things began to change a bit about seven days in. The first thing I noticed on day 7 was light sensitivity (especially when driving at night). I had weird, random pains over my body, and shocking/electric sensations in my fingers. Also, I seem to have really lost the ability to type fast and write well (I write fiction for a living). This is the scariest part. I find myself just "staring off" at certain times. I'm not sure if this is because of the titanium implant or the bone graft (a synthetic, naturally occurring material).

My hands now, when I type, cramp up. My writing is riddled with spelling errors, as if I cannot line things up properly. I feel almost electric, and shaky.

Before the surgery I had that awful flu, and did have some of these symptoms (tingling in extremities, dry cough, etc). But certainly NOT to this degree.

I saw my dentist six days after the procedure, complaining a bit about tenderness and pain. She examined me and did an x-ray and put me on augmentin for another seven days (I had been on doxy and flagyl prior to the procedure and after).  There was a period of two days where I was not on any antibiotic. ON these days I felt pain, and my jaw felt like I had "lock jaw". At certain points of the day, I could not speak properly. This was scary as hell.

So two nights ago I went to the ER  due to the intermittent concentration issues and a consistent head pressure that felt more like the flu than anything. They ran an MRI and comprehensive blood work which came back okay.

This has been hell for the most part, although I do notice a bit of improvement. It is coming, but is slow. Could this of been the synthetic bone graft material absorbing into the bloodstream? Could the surgery have ramped up the virus I had, badly?

The site no longer hurts, and I do not have the weird feelings in the face today. But for whatever reasons, my typing is still kinda poor, although it has improved a notch the last two days. Not sure why in the heck my hands and forearms would be seizing up, and I couldn't quite "connect the dots" when typing like I did before.

I am seriously considering having the implant removed, and chalking this up as a bad reaction. I doubt any nerve was hit, as there was  a delay in my symptoms to this, na dI doubt it would effect my feet and hands. I just think perhaps my body hates the implant, and is being poisoned by it. I wish I knew the exact answer, but I don;t think it's coincidence that all hell broke loose a week after the implant. That is something that cannot be ignored.

Thanks for any pointers!

B4SuzieQ

Jan 31, 2013

To: Gallatin

I did not have a dental implant, I had an implant on my cervical spine. Shortly after my surgery my arm/hand seized up as if I had no control over it. I also had a rash around the site that did spread to my arms and legs. The quality of my life went down hill from there. Prior to having the implant removed I had a test to see if I was allergic to certain metals, which the results came back extremely high. I had the implant removed after 2 years and my life has greatly improved.

WendyB87

Feb 01, 2013

To: Gallatin

I also write and was making terrible spelling errors. I actually left out whole words and didn't realize it. While trying to write, I also kept staring off into space and while walking felt a very strange out of body sensation when I turned my head (my whole story is written above in the comments). Anyway, I had the implants out at the end of December and I am FINE. I would wish this nightmare on no-one. I'm so sorry you are going through this.

Gallatin

Feb 04, 2013

Thanks, Wendy.

BTW, do you know of a way to get the implant out without cutting into bone? I heard some talk of a new wrench that allows for implants to be simply unscrewed? If this is true, would you know of any dentists in the Illinois area?

It's only been 18 days, so I'm hoping the implant wouldn't have integrated with the bone.

Thanks.

smileynow

Feb 05, 2013

To: Gallatin

It is my understanding that the wrench you are referring to will remove the implant, but leave a casing it was housed in lodged in your jaw. The implants are threaded and the jaw bone grows around the implant and at some point becomes "osseointegrated" with the jaw.  The ususal way to remove implants is with a trephine burr or drill, which cores around the implant and thus destroys some of the bone surrounding the implant in the process.  I have talked to two dentists who are now using laser to remove implants, and one said he "is having better luck now" with the laser method of removal having removed about 50 implants. I would need to ask for further clarification as to what the better luck means.

The implant is stronger than the surrounding bone which can eventually  lead to bone loss around an implant as there is less weight bearing on the bone and more on the implant.  My guess here is that the longer the implant is in place the more risk you have to the surrounding bone being weakened and lost.  The fact that the implant is stronger than the bone that surrounds it also factors into the risk of fracture or damage to the adjacent bone if the removal is difficult.

It is odd you write fiction.  The implant, a bad reaction to a flu shot, and being exposed to toxic mold have left me feeling like a character in a Stephen King novel.  I never could have imagined this crap!!!

Good luck with your decision.

WendyB87

Feb 05, 2013

To: Gallatin

I lost a lot of bone when my implant was removed and the surgery took 3 hours. My surgeon was very careful but after a year they had osseointegrated. I needed a bone graft at the time and will need another later. While I don't regret getting the implants out one bit, if you can find a kinder, gentler way, I would.

In addition to Smileynow's suggestions, while I did see mention of the wrench in the post's above, I've just never personally heard of it. I would think that you'd have an easier time having the implant removed after only 18 days and have my fingers crossed for you (also, I'm in the NY metro area so not sure about Illinois). Best of luck and keep us posted.

smileynow

Feb 06, 2013

To: Gallatin

Maybe you are right about the wrench.  There is a video on youtube from a company called neobiotech that has a kit for removing failed implants.  It looks like the objective is to remove the implant, but leave the bone intact with the thread formation so that another implant can be placed. I don't know how new this technology is, or how you would find a practitioner who uses this method.  You would probably want someone with some practice at it.

This doesn't address the issue of a possible NICO (Neuralgia induced Cavitational Osteonecrosis) lesion under the implant thought to exist by some biological and holistic dentists.  You can read about it if you look up biological dental health. com or oral maxillofacial research.  I don't know, my dental pain has almost disappeared after using antifungal nasal sprays and remediation of a mold issue.  One dentist told me I had a cavitation in the area of the implant, which is still fixed in my jaw.

It is still a question as to whether the implant triggered the severe environmental sensitivies in my case.  There is just so much they don't know, or don't want to know.

smileynow

Feb 06, 2013

To: Gallatin

Hopefully your implant isn't too big relative to the amount of bone you have, as there well be a void left which may need to be filled. Some surgeons will want to fill the hole with bone grafting material which can present another problem.

A company called Orthopedic Analysis can test your blood for reactivity to dental metals and bone cement particles if you want to get that information prior to your surgery. I don't know how bone cement particles relate to cadaver bone or bovine bone which is used by many dental surgeons for grafting.

Good luck.

smileynow

Mar 08, 2013

To: All

The environmental sensitivities to mycotoxins are continuuing to be problematic.

In doing research on the removal of metal implants and the improvement of environmental illness I came upon a website.............for IRM (Alien Implant Removal & Deactivation Method). Apparently there is a group of people who have been abducted by aliens and implanted with metal devices that contribute to various physical symptoms. The website claims there to be about 2 million people in the U.S. in need of their services. They ask if you "Have ever seen a being with huge, dark, watery-looking, almond-shaped eyes and wrinkled, gray skin? Was it wearing a skin-tight metallic body suit that lit up? Did its huge head seem out of poportin to its frail body? Were there three digits for fingers---like ET....only not as cute?" Hmmmm. Spooky.

terrybrown12

Mar 18, 2013

To: all

http://www.westonaprice.org/dentistry/dental-implants-an-integrative-perspective

Thought you all would like this article since there are so few validating articles out there.

My health is very good now and I am doing super with the zirconium implants!!

WendyB87

Mar 19, 2013

To: terrybrown12

Thanks for the article! We are described as a "small but significant" group of people. I'm so glad that this difficulty is finally getting some recognition! It would be great if one day people would be made aware of the dangers of titanium BEFORE the procedure.

I look forward to getting a zirconium implant myself after I've fully recovered from having the titanium removed!

carrie235

Apr 03, 2013

Hello All,

I fell and broke three of my top front teeth about 1.5 years ago.  I had root canals in two of them but my teeth still hurt.  It's not nerve pain so much but rather a pain to pressure.  To be honest, I am somewhat vain about my teeth and am devastated that I have to deal with this.

My crowns look great but I cannot live with these like this.  I'm so scared.  I want implants but am scared of what they might do to my body (I also have lyme disease).  I talked to a holistic dentist and he said that I could get a bridge but then I am putting the other supporting teeth at risk and may end up having to get an implant at some point.  I am so scared and just feel like crying.

To Terrybrown...do you know if they do the zirconium implants on top front teeth and what the outcome is on those?  I want them to look perfect of course and really do not want a bridge....

If it's not one thing, it's another it seems...

Thanks and hope someone gets back to me on this...

Carrie

WendyB87

Apr 04, 2013

To: carrie235

I completely understand your concern about your current situation and about getting implants. I'm also dealing with two front teeth, although lower, and am vain about them too. I'm sure that Terry can tell you much more, but know that she is having success with zirconium implants on the upper. I think it's very important that you stay away from titanium given your lyme disease. I had autoimmune issues before I had titanium implants, and they were the straw that broke the camel's back.

Before you take this next step though, do you know what the problem is with the root canals? Since you like your crowns, maybe the issue can resolved without getting implants at all? I know that if they're infected you won't want to keep them, but just a thought to explore all options first.
Good luck.

carrie235

Apr 04, 2013

Wendy:

Thank you for getting back to me!  Did you have implants on your lower front teeth then?

Who does the zirconium implants?  I'm in California and I've googled and it doesn't look like there really are any...

I've had two root canals done on this one front tooth and I still have pain.  I can live with it for now I guess but I want to know my options should something suddenly change.

I hate this and the anxiety that it's giving me....all because I got dehydrated and lost consiousness....  Oh how I wish I could reverse time!

WendyB87

Apr 04, 2013

To: carrie235

Hi Carrie,
I had a very bad reaction to two titanium implants I had on two front lower teeth. I basically had metal poisoning and the symptoms were awful. Many people on this site have had very bad reactions to titanium implants. I also reacted badly to silver palladium used in the crowns. Since then I've had them removed and am now healing. I plan to get two zirconium implants once I've healed but haven't gotten them yet. I'm a little leary since after my experience I'm afraid to get anything in my jaw, but, like you, it's in the front of my mouth and I don't want to destroy the teeth on either side for a bridge. Plus, zirconium is supposed to much better than titanium.

I know what you mean about wishing you could reverse time. I wish I never had the titanium implants in but there's nothing to do but move forward. I know that some dentists try to preserve the teeth (your root canals) rather than removing them. I understand about the pain though. Can you consult another dentist to see what your options are? I do think you'll be able to find someone in CA though. I looked quite a bit and was nervous because I needed someone to take the titanium implants out first, but in the end, found someone who does both. Terry lives in CA too so maybe she would know.

WendyB87

Apr 06, 2013

To: carrie235

Hi Carrie,
I am having trouble posting so I am asking Wendy to post this for me...
I live in Southern Ca and have two great dentists. I highly recommend them.
I had two titanium implants removed and replaced with zirconium. I am very happy with the results.
One is a front tooth and the other a back tooth.
Please email me if you have any specific questions. I will be happy to help.
terrybrown12 at aol *******.
Terry

RK2680

Apr 30, 2013

To: carrie235

Just found this site. Our vet checked our dogs for heavy metals and both
were positive. They were treated for 30 days with medication and then
their urine tests came back negative. He happened to tell me about a friend
of his who had a titanium hip replacement and had developed cancer. I
just realized I had titanium hardware placed in my neck when I had a fusion
2 yr ago. No problems yet that I'm aware of but very concerned about effects down the road especially after reading the comments on this site.
The neurosurgeon who did my neck surgery told me my 2 upper neck discs
"looked pretty bad" when he did the surgery but he couldn't operate on them yet because I didn't have significant symptoms relating to those
discs at that time. I am beginning to have more neck symptoms but sure
don't want more titanium put in to fix it. Does anyone know if you can have
the hardware from a neck fusion removed? Also what if anything can help
hold the cadaver disc etc in place besides titanium hardware? Sure would
appreciate advice. Also where does a regular person like myself get my
urine checked for heavy metals? Thanks so much.

B4SuzieQ

May 03, 2013

To: RK2680

Yes you can have the hardware removed. I had a one level fusion in my neck and had the plate removed when I found out I was extremely allergic to the nickel in the titanium plate. There are labs that test blood work for allergies to metals. Since this website will not let us post web addresses, google Melisa Labs. There are a couple of the labs located in this country. I used the one in N.J and the people there were extremely helpful answering my questions. I think Dr. Valentine-Thon could give you the answers you are seeking or at least lead you in the right direction. I hope this helps.

smileynow

May 03, 2013

To: RK2680

Or you can look up Orthopedic Analysis in Chicago. It seems with them I was able to get more metals tested for a lesser cost.

boston501

May 22, 2013

To: All

I'm a frequent visitor first time blogger. I just want to share with you my story about titanium implant I got in Feb 2011. My symptoms started few weeks after I received the implant including fatigue, neck pain, headaches, dizziness, muscle aches and intestinal inflammation. I visited my MD multiple times and had many blood tests which came back normal. MD told me that I have anxiety and gave me happy bills which I never took. I left him and went to another MD but he recommended the same treatment...anxiety medication. I have changed five MDs in less than two years. I went online and did my own search "implant side effect" and a light bulb just went on my head. I was happy to see so many of you that have the symptoms. It gave my comfort to know that there are people I could relate to. I told my MD at the time that the implant is causing my sickness and I need to get test for metal poisoning/sensitivity. He told me that it is out of his scope. It took me another year to find a physician that could order the Melisa Test so I don’t have to pay for it. I’m lucky I live in Boston with so many physicians. I finally went to Visions Healthcare and ordered the Melissa test in late April and put me on detoxin supplements. The test showed no titanium reaction but 5.8 reaction to Nickel. In the meantime, my dentist was brushing off the implant was making me sick.

WendyB87

11 hours

To: boston501

Dear Boston501,
I know exactly how you feel having been to several doctors myself who dismissed me as if I were crazy. It was truly one of the most humiliating times in my life and I really feel for you. Just make sure you don't forget though, that you are not crazy. They are just misinformed and often arrogant.

Also, don't rely too heavily on tests like the Melisa test to tell you whether you are having a reaction to the implant. I came up with an allergy to just one metal and it wasn't titanium either. What might be happening though, and which I believe did happen to me, is that with the addition of the titanium in your mouth, you are experiencing galvanization, which occurs when you have three or more different metals in your mouth. This sets up a battery-like atmosphere and will pull and release metals into your system. I also had new metals put into my mouth at the same time I had the implants put in. Whatever metal I was reacting to, I became very sick. It would be interesting to know if you have any crowns in your mouth, old or new, that have nickle in them?

I had the implants and the new crowns taken out in December. I'm still doing a lot of detox and health-supportive eating, but feel absolutely amazing now. I am so glad to have those things out of me. I'm sorry that you're going through this.

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