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over working inmune system
my doctor recently told me that my inmune system is working too good to where it attacked my thyroid causing over active thyroid which now is in reverse. I was told that it is possible that it could correct itself. What I like to know is why my inmune system would do this and if there is anything I can do for myself to help slow down my inmune system so as to not have to go throgh all this again? I am under doctors care and on medication but what naturally can I do to help this ?
Have you done any research on medications and the possibilty they could cause problems with the immune system. I wonder as to effexor and celexa as both I was on for a while,almost a year and even though I was told to stay on I beleived I no longer needeed so quit,although that is tough to do, I did so over a period of time to save myself alot of problems from withdrawls. Just thaught This could be one thing you have looked into
I am elated to have come across your postings. You seem to have so much insight on this condition. I have been searching the internet for weeks and months trying to do research on my condition and it's really frustrating for me. I am currently a student and I'm finding that my condition is really distracting me from being able to focus. It's also damaging my entire mood and thought process. I won't even go there on that though.
Please, when you ever get the chance, could you Please read my postings. I have cut and reposts so many times praying to God that someone such as yourself could read them and reach out to help me.
I have been seeing only a primary care doctor for my condition because the insurance I have will not cover me to see an endocrinologist because it's considered "specialty care."
But regardless of that, I will take loans if I have to to pay for my own health and ultimately save my own life even if the state insurance officials don't want to.
Also, I read that you mentioned something about your tooth being a potential cause of your condition. Do you think that a root canal could pose that same cause?
And if so, what kinds of tests should I have done to find out the root cause of my thyroid condition?
I'm sure there has to be a way to find that out because I don't think that everyone that develops hyperthyroidism has Graves disease.
Please, when you ever get the chance, could you Please read my postings. I have cut and reposts so many times praying to God that someone such as yourself could read them and reach out to help me.
I have been seeing only a primary care doctor for my condition because the insurance I have will not cover me to see an endocrinologist because it's considered "specialty care."
But regardless of that, I will take loans if I have to to pay for my own health and ultimately save my own life even if the state insurance officials don't want to.
Also, I read that you mentioned something about your tooth being a potential cause of your condition. Do you think that a root canal could pose that same cause?
And if so, what kinds of tests should I have done to find out the root cause of my thyroid condition?
I'm sure there has to be a way to find that out because I don't think that everyone that develops hyperthyroidism has Graves disease.
Oats do not technically have gluten in them but most are processed in factories that also process wheat and so they contain traces of glutens. There are oats that you can buy that are specifically 100% gluten free. I guess it depends on how hard you are trying to avoid gluten...
I have autoimmune disease (not HIV).
I have put myself on an anti-inflammatory diet. I also do NOT eat anything that has perservatives,artificial color and flavoring,saturated fats,corn,wheat,processed stuff, sodas,table salt,etc.etc. I try to eat as much organic things as I can. I also eat foods that are great anti-inflammtories such as blueberries,strawberries,etc. I stay away from night shade foods such as potatoes,peppers, etc. I do eat yams and sweet potatoes which are really not potatoes. I take plenty vit.C, and other anti-oxidants and make sure that I also get plenty of omega-3's. The fish tablets I take don't have mercury or any other toxic stuff. Since I started this diet I feel much better regarding my arthritis and have less inflammation in my body. But my RA Factor is still rising and my total compliments. My ANA is coming out negative but it's rising and now it's very close to going positive.
Question: I had thought that I went on a gluten-free diet as well. I eat a bowl of cooked (not instant) oatmeal every day! Now I hear from someone that there is gluten in oats.
IS THERE GLUTEN IN OATS??
I have put myself on an anti-inflammatory diet. I also do NOT eat anything that has perservatives,artificial color and flavoring,saturated fats,corn,wheat,processed stuff, sodas,table salt,etc.etc. I try to eat as much organic things as I can. I also eat foods that are great anti-inflammtories such as blueberries,strawberries,etc. I stay away from night shade foods such as potatoes,peppers, etc. I do eat yams and sweet potatoes which are really not potatoes. I take plenty vit.C, and other anti-oxidants and make sure that I also get plenty of omega-3's. The fish tablets I take don't have mercury or any other toxic stuff. Since I started this diet I feel much better regarding my arthritis and have less inflammation in my body. But my RA Factor is still rising and my total compliments. My ANA is coming out negative but it's rising and now it's very close to going positive.
Question: I had thought that I went on a gluten-free diet as well. I eat a bowl of cooked (not instant) oatmeal every day! Now I hear from someone that there is gluten in oats.
IS THERE GLUTEN IN OATS??
Since the doctors are still working on me to find the real problem and the best way to help me knowing anything for sure is on hold right now. All I really know is the doctor told me my immune system is way too good where it attacked the thyroid, yes there are tests being done yet but I think I will be lucky to understand the all of it. I appreciate your thaughts and FancyPants too, it all helps. From most information I often gain insight to things so yes you both are helpful and a pleasure to hear from and of course your concern helpful. thanks, I will keep in mind all you said as I try to put a deeper understanding to all of this.
Fancypantsandme,
My understanding is that they test for antibodies to see if they are positive to see if you HAVE the disease. And I want to be clear here... it depends on the disease, and the antibody... I'm not sure about all diseases and all antibodies and I am not going to pretend to know. But I do know that there are many where the antibody number does not correlate to disease progression. Take ANA for example..... a person with lupus and an ANA of 1:116 might have just as severe disease progression as a person with 1:640 or 1:1280..... If the titer goes down, it does NOT indicate that they are getting better necessarily. The same goes for a person with Hashimoto's I have fairly LOW numbers of antibodies but was hit hard with the disease including bouts of hasitoxicosis. Also many autoimmune diseases come in flares where blood work might be positive one month and negative a few months later. Also some of these diseases can go in remission for years and then come back out of no where.
I am not knocking the fact that you are eating a particular diet which is making you feel better. I think that is great. I WILL read those books because I love to learn and read and I was not trying to be mean, I just make it a point to read a lot about autoimmune problems and have never read a thing about meat proteins the ONLY protein that has been mentioned is gluten and only because it's structure makes it impossible to be broken down in the small intestines. Also I believe that the benefits of eating meat proteins out-weigh the disadvantages. Humans are omnivores and are designed to eat and digest meats. I am willing to read those books and I have an open mind.... who knows, I might be swayed by that book. But remember, we can find literature about anything these days. I just got done reading a book called "The Autoimmune Connection" which has a section that covers diet. IT says that there will always be people who believe that diet will reverse their disease.... and that it works for some in the same way that a placebo does. So again... it just depends on WHICH book you read, and it is up to the reader to decide which info they would like to believe.
Also i recently read an article which says that potatoes and beans are toxic in the raw form and the enzymes are toxic to humans, that cooking them releases the enzymes making it better for humans to consume. The moral of that article was to cut out grains, beans and potatoes. This was an article about the paleo diet which advocates eating meats, veges and fruits.
My point is that I've read several articles on various diets and each article and book will argue for pages about why it's method is the best and how it cures this, that and the other.
Anyway I will see if i can get those 2 books you are reading now. In the mean time can you explain what it is about meat proteins that make them different then plant proteins.... what about the structure etc.? It would strike me that both types of proteins would be broken down into amino acids. The difference that i am aware of is that meat contains "complete protein" which contains all of the amino acids that the body needs. Even broccoli does not have that. The meat itself might be more difficult to digest then plant matter (due to zero fiber) and it might be easier for our bodies to extract nutrients from plants..... but the claim that animal protein causes or leads to, autoimmune diseases seems.... off. I'll read it and see what it says. :)
PS. You should check out spirulina, which is an algea. My husband drinks a huge spoon of this everynight in his green smoothie. I can't handle the flavor of it because it takes like pond smells. But apparently, since algea is like halfway between plant and animal it is a super food. Something about the cell structure makes it easy for us to exact the nutrients but it is also high in proteins and such. Also look into Quinoa and Amaranth... these taste like grains but are technically sprouts and are fantastic. Not only are they tasty but super high in proteins and good vitamins. PLUS they are delish for breakfast and dinner dishes. Check it out if you don't eat those already! :)
Chickamin,
If you do end up having hashimotos there are a bunch of vitamins and suppliments that you can take that will help you out! these vitamins and such just help the body do it's job naturally like convert T4 into T3. Also certain foods to avoid like soy.....But you need to find out first if you have Hashimoto's or just regular thyroiditis.... I imagine you would not want to take any thing or change anything until you know! :)
My understanding is that they test for antibodies to see if they are positive to see if you HAVE the disease. And I want to be clear here... it depends on the disease, and the antibody... I'm not sure about all diseases and all antibodies and I am not going to pretend to know. But I do know that there are many where the antibody number does not correlate to disease progression. Take ANA for example..... a person with lupus and an ANA of 1:116 might have just as severe disease progression as a person with 1:640 or 1:1280..... If the titer goes down, it does NOT indicate that they are getting better necessarily. The same goes for a person with Hashimoto's I have fairly LOW numbers of antibodies but was hit hard with the disease including bouts of hasitoxicosis. Also many autoimmune diseases come in flares where blood work might be positive one month and negative a few months later. Also some of these diseases can go in remission for years and then come back out of no where.
I am not knocking the fact that you are eating a particular diet which is making you feel better. I think that is great. I WILL read those books because I love to learn and read and I was not trying to be mean, I just make it a point to read a lot about autoimmune problems and have never read a thing about meat proteins the ONLY protein that has been mentioned is gluten and only because it's structure makes it impossible to be broken down in the small intestines. Also I believe that the benefits of eating meat proteins out-weigh the disadvantages. Humans are omnivores and are designed to eat and digest meats. I am willing to read those books and I have an open mind.... who knows, I might be swayed by that book. But remember, we can find literature about anything these days. I just got done reading a book called "The Autoimmune Connection" which has a section that covers diet. IT says that there will always be people who believe that diet will reverse their disease.... and that it works for some in the same way that a placebo does. So again... it just depends on WHICH book you read, and it is up to the reader to decide which info they would like to believe.
Also i recently read an article which says that potatoes and beans are toxic in the raw form and the enzymes are toxic to humans, that cooking them releases the enzymes making it better for humans to consume. The moral of that article was to cut out grains, beans and potatoes. This was an article about the paleo diet which advocates eating meats, veges and fruits.
My point is that I've read several articles on various diets and each article and book will argue for pages about why it's method is the best and how it cures this, that and the other.
Anyway I will see if i can get those 2 books you are reading now. In the mean time can you explain what it is about meat proteins that make them different then plant proteins.... what about the structure etc.? It would strike me that both types of proteins would be broken down into amino acids. The difference that i am aware of is that meat contains "complete protein" which contains all of the amino acids that the body needs. Even broccoli does not have that. The meat itself might be more difficult to digest then plant matter (due to zero fiber) and it might be easier for our bodies to extract nutrients from plants..... but the claim that animal protein causes or leads to, autoimmune diseases seems.... off. I'll read it and see what it says. :)
PS. You should check out spirulina, which is an algea. My husband drinks a huge spoon of this everynight in his green smoothie. I can't handle the flavor of it because it takes like pond smells. But apparently, since algea is like halfway between plant and animal it is a super food. Something about the cell structure makes it easy for us to exact the nutrients but it is also high in proteins and such. Also look into Quinoa and Amaranth... these taste like grains but are technically sprouts and are fantastic. Not only are they tasty but super high in proteins and good vitamins. PLUS they are delish for breakfast and dinner dishes. Check it out if you don't eat those already! :)
Chickamin,
If you do end up having hashimotos there are a bunch of vitamins and suppliments that you can take that will help you out! these vitamins and such just help the body do it's job naturally like convert T4 into T3. Also certain foods to avoid like soy.....But you need to find out first if you have Hashimoto's or just regular thyroiditis.... I imagine you would not want to take any thing or change anything until you know! :)
If there is no correlation between the high antibody number and disease progression..then why do they even test for it? who cares if it means nothing..and why has every single doctor 9 alternative or not) said to me that "we need those numbers down now!"...what gives? not being a pain in the A@@ just really trying to understand what you're saying ans why you're saying it?
ALSO on the protein issue...The China Study and the Fasting and Eating for Health both have most of their books, backed by scientific studies done that says animal proteins DO play a part in autoimmune disease...I'd have to go back and re-read to make sure if they know WHY or if they just know in general that people who eat animal protein have more leaky gut and therefore have more autoimmune issues...
ALSO on the protein issue...The China Study and the Fasting and Eating for Health both have most of their books, backed by scientific studies done that says animal proteins DO play a part in autoimmune disease...I'd have to go back and re-read to make sure if they know WHY or if they just know in general that people who eat animal protein have more leaky gut and therefore have more autoimmune issues...
Hi, if your doctor told you that it is in "reverse" and that you can eventually go off the medicine it MIGHT be just plain old thyroiditis and not hashimoto's.
Ask your doctor to see if they tested your antibodies... TPOab and TGab. Those are the main anti-thyroid antibodies. If you have those, and you have a low functioning thyroid, you probably have Hashimoto's.
In support of what Fancypantsandme is saying I have a few friends who have had thyroiditis and they were able to reverse it by cutting out wheat (gultens) out of their diet... But there is no evidence that it is an effective TREATMENT for Hashimoto's.
I have not heard a thing about meat proteins effecting the thyroid. As of now it is "Idiopathic" meaning that they do not know WHAT causes it. At this point very little is actually known about what causes autoimmune diseases. Of course there are plenty of theories and there are die-hard natural-pathic believers who will buy any book under the sun that claims to have a natural cure. The only proteins that are proven to cause an autoimmune reaction are glutens.... specifically in people with Celiac disease and though there is research being conducted that it might lead to other immune issues, it is not yet proven and little is known about this.
There is no correlation between antibody numbers and disease activity. For example, an off the charts antibody number does not mean that you have the disease worse then a lower number. Therefore a persons antibodies decreasing from being on XYZ diet, does NOT mean that person is curing their hashimoto's.
Hopefully this was helpful to you. Let me know if you have any questions for me.
If you went from being very over-active thyroid and having a racing heart to then having a slow thyroid and fatigue, and you have no antibodies..... it is possible that it is just pain old thyroiditis and that it will go away eventually on it's own. I'm sure your Doctor will brief you on this, it does not hurt to ask him if he tested you for the antibodies.
Cheers.
Jen
Ask your doctor to see if they tested your antibodies... TPOab and TGab. Those are the main anti-thyroid antibodies. If you have those, and you have a low functioning thyroid, you probably have Hashimoto's.
In support of what Fancypantsandme is saying I have a few friends who have had thyroiditis and they were able to reverse it by cutting out wheat (gultens) out of their diet... But there is no evidence that it is an effective TREATMENT for Hashimoto's.
I have not heard a thing about meat proteins effecting the thyroid. As of now it is "Idiopathic" meaning that they do not know WHAT causes it. At this point very little is actually known about what causes autoimmune diseases. Of course there are plenty of theories and there are die-hard natural-pathic believers who will buy any book under the sun that claims to have a natural cure. The only proteins that are proven to cause an autoimmune reaction are glutens.... specifically in people with Celiac disease and though there is research being conducted that it might lead to other immune issues, it is not yet proven and little is known about this.
There is no correlation between antibody numbers and disease activity. For example, an off the charts antibody number does not mean that you have the disease worse then a lower number. Therefore a persons antibodies decreasing from being on XYZ diet, does NOT mean that person is curing their hashimoto's.
Hopefully this was helpful to you. Let me know if you have any questions for me.
If you went from being very over-active thyroid and having a racing heart to then having a slow thyroid and fatigue, and you have no antibodies..... it is possible that it is just pain old thyroiditis and that it will go away eventually on it's own. I'm sure your Doctor will brief you on this, it does not hurt to ask him if he tested you for the antibodies.
Cheers.
Jen
You may find Dr. Fuhrman's site a excellent resource for you.
he wrote the book i read on vacation Fasting and Eating for Health..I'm sure he could help you and support you and probably give you a few suggestions. He's all about changing what you eat..check him out...you may think you're eating well and it looks from what you wrote that you are but still changes need to be made and he could help you with the fasting aspect as well.
I will do a long fast after all my mercury fillings are replaced. have had two done, two to go.
Good luck and let me know what you think.
Your body is obviously having issue with fighting infections. Gotta change your food around so you're eating things that really support the healing process...no animal protein and no dairy.
he wrote the book i read on vacation Fasting and Eating for Health..I'm sure he could help you and support you and probably give you a few suggestions. He's all about changing what you eat..check him out...you may think you're eating well and it looks from what you wrote that you are but still changes need to be made and he could help you with the fasting aspect as well.
I will do a long fast after all my mercury fillings are replaced. have had two done, two to go.
Good luck and let me know what you think.
Your body is obviously having issue with fighting infections. Gotta change your food around so you're eating things that really support the healing process...no animal protein and no dairy.
Thankyou for all the insights. I still eat game when I can get it but do not eat game from around here as it is wheat fields and yes they use too many chimicals etc. So when we can we go to places such as the coast where I grew up and get it there. Other than that I grow a garden use no chimicles,and use seeds I grew and save the organgic ones I buy. I raise chickens and rabbits,sometimes lamb for meat but raise on carefully selected feed source. Yes I have been pretty much a naturalist all my life. Fishing I am careful where they come from too but as we all know every thing is in some way or another contaminated these days, like my garden soil I add only good organic stuff to it. Yes I understand about the teeth but right now am going through so much hell with health problems its hard to deal with it all. I had a total left knee replacement in 2006 and am one of those that my body does not want any thing not natural so yes I am now dissabled and getting worse, I have been to one doctor after another and they just turn me away and I need the other knee taken care of too but afraid to do so as though it is extremly painful too I am afraid my body would only reject it too.I am 58 and been going down hill these pst 5 years. I am looking to move out of here because I know wheat fields are an unhealthy area to live. Go back to where it rains alot and the land can be washed of all the bad suff. I do not like manmade medication but I have been on alot lately do to 6 surgeries in 5 years and ending up with infections and serious problems yes plus all the stress and fustration trying to get better. Now on medication to keep my heart from speeding out of control, medication that only puts weight on. Yes I am pretty tired of doctors. I fasted once for 40 days, thinking of going on a fast now, maybe a short one but not sure if anymore stress on the body right now is good. Well, I could rattle on but now a least you know a little better what I am dealing with. Thanks
Yes it is pretty fustrating waiting for the doctors to do anything, truth is I don"t think they really know what to do and yes we are suppose to just wait getting worse as we do. Thankyou for your information about the muchroom, but where do I find it?
Also you have to look into the gut and how your digestion is going.
yeast and leaky gut syndrome once taken care of seems to lower numbers...also a diet high in antioxidants helps keep the immune system in check.
Read the two chapters on autoimmune in The China Study and Fasting and Eating for Health
yeast and leaky gut syndrome once taken care of seems to lower numbers...also a diet high in antioxidants helps keep the immune system in check.
Read the two chapters on autoimmune in The China Study and Fasting and Eating for Health
I have recently been diagnosed with Hashi's and also have other autoimmune issues. Since my doctor will not treat me for this until my TSH is higher (which means he wants to wait until my immune system destroys more of my thyroid before treating me). I wanted to find something I could do to slow down the progression of this disease. I found that reishi mushroom is supposed to regulate the immune system (not stimulate it). I think it is worth researching.
It takes a long time for the damage to show up...just like pesticides..they hide in the tissues until "uaually a stressful event" happens that brings out the "bad stuff".
It's a combination. And everyone is different. there are as many WHYS to these diseases as there are people who have them. The trick is to figure out what sequence of events you have personally gone through or seen in your life that triggers your autoimmune disease(s).
BUT over time there have been several TRIGGERS that are now coming to the surface. NO you won't find your doctor telling you about these.these are things I've researched and many others like me have researched. One is AMALGAM/MERCURY fillings. They seem to have a link, so to speak. ALSO animal protein for some is a huge trigger in the whole autopimmune thing. Of course there is STRESS..who doesn't have stress these days? but how do we deal with it..is KEY in healing.
I believe these sequences of events in peoples lives are on purpose..meaning they are to move us..me in a different healthier direction.
I think you being on "game" is good...what do you eat today? can you stay with the organic side of life or grow your own?
TODAY many wild game is eating the pesticide/herbacide ladden crops that commercial farmers grow...so not too sure if that's a "safe" way to go TODAY...organic is safe..atleast the FDA has done something right there..in making sure organic guidelines are strict :-)
It's a combination. And everyone is different. there are as many WHYS to these diseases as there are people who have them. The trick is to figure out what sequence of events you have personally gone through or seen in your life that triggers your autoimmune disease(s).
BUT over time there have been several TRIGGERS that are now coming to the surface. NO you won't find your doctor telling you about these.these are things I've researched and many others like me have researched. One is AMALGAM/MERCURY fillings. They seem to have a link, so to speak. ALSO animal protein for some is a huge trigger in the whole autopimmune thing. Of course there is STRESS..who doesn't have stress these days? but how do we deal with it..is KEY in healing.
I believe these sequences of events in peoples lives are on purpose..meaning they are to move us..me in a different healthier direction.
I think you being on "game" is good...what do you eat today? can you stay with the organic side of life or grow your own?
TODAY many wild game is eating the pesticide/herbacide ladden crops that commercial farmers grow...so not too sure if that's a "safe" way to go TODAY...organic is safe..atleast the FDA has done something right there..in making sure organic guidelines are strict :-)
It does make some since to me but why now would the inmume system attack the thyroid over whats in our teath when its been there for 20 some years? Also I was raised on meat but mostly wild game as my dad was a hunter and commercial fisherman and I do try staying with organic meat? Just a thaught.
I neede to mention that the animal protein used in the studies were more than likely regular animal protein from commercial farms...there is debate as to whether ORGANIC meat/animal protein would have the same reaction int he body. SOME people say that organic protein would not act the same way..and their proof is in the people themselves who only eat ORGANIC animal protein...
I personally believe there may be some valid points here. We need studies done with organic fruits and vegetables and organic meat but I doubt that is happening any time soon. It would make sense that when the cow eats pesticide ridden corn and takes in antibiotics and steroids so they can be both well and HUGE in a short amount of time it would effect the MEAT and how it develops and what chemical residues it would have upon entering your body, once cooked....I can see how the tissue can become "negative" for use of a better word.
IF you think about how the BIG animals got to be so big..where did they get their protein from? say a Gorilla? or a Cow...what do they eat? GRASS, GREENS, FRUITS...and they need protein to build their muscles..but we don't see those animals eating other animals do we? they got all their protein from the greens in their diets! Interesting isn't it? have we been sold a huge LIE about animal protein? Even if you choose to eat animal protein after reading this ( which is very likely and understandable) try and eat LESS of it and MORE VEGETABLES ( GREEN) and try and eat ORGANIC meats...atleast that way you're removing some of the grey area.
Eat well. live well, be well.
I personally believe there may be some valid points here. We need studies done with organic fruits and vegetables and organic meat but I doubt that is happening any time soon. It would make sense that when the cow eats pesticide ridden corn and takes in antibiotics and steroids so they can be both well and HUGE in a short amount of time it would effect the MEAT and how it develops and what chemical residues it would have upon entering your body, once cooked....I can see how the tissue can become "negative" for use of a better word.
IF you think about how the BIG animals got to be so big..where did they get their protein from? say a Gorilla? or a Cow...what do they eat? GRASS, GREENS, FRUITS...and they need protein to build their muscles..but we don't see those animals eating other animals do we? they got all their protein from the greens in their diets! Interesting isn't it? have we been sold a huge LIE about animal protein? Even if you choose to eat animal protein after reading this ( which is very likely and understandable) try and eat LESS of it and MORE VEGETABLES ( GREEN) and try and eat ORGANIC meats...atleast that way you're removing some of the grey area.
Eat well. live well, be well.
hey hi,
I'm in the process this week of posting ( on my new board) the two chapters on Autoimmune disease from The China Study book and the fasting and Eating for Health by Dr. Joel Furhman.
First off you have to realize this is NOT a one answer deal..there are many ideas as to what is happening in an autoimmune response..whether it be the thyroid or the blood or the joints or the nervous system.
What I can tell you about WHY your immune system would do this is the body becomes confused because the tissues begin to look like something foreign that it is suppose to attack and get trid of. Now WHY the tissues change structure is explained very well in these two books...ofcourse a lot is speculation at this point on everyone's part BUT what I find to be very revealing is that ANIMAL protein vs. PLANT protein in studies shows very different reactions in the body.
For instance( I'll try to keep this simple as it can get very complicated)..you eat a steak ( that's animal protein) IF you have the right enzymes in the right amount ( which most people don't because we eat our food COOKED most of the time which kills the digestive enzymes)..that protein is broken down into amino acid chains that the body recognizes and doesn't try to destroy HOWEVER what studies have shown is that animal protein in some cases starts to destroy the mucosal layer of the intestinal wall which then leads to leaky gut eventually...holes in the wall of the intestin which allows food particles to enter the blood stream ( it's not suppose to be there) which send the IMMUNE SYSTEM into high alert to get rid of the proteins/food particles fromt he blood.
Second thought on the subject: say you eat a steak (animal protein) and let's assume you DO NOT have enough digestive enzymes..the amino acid chains that make up the protein are now being PARTIALLY digested...and those partially digested chains are going through the holes ( because you're eating animal protein..that causes the break down of the intestinal wall) and those partially digested chains cause an IMMUNE response because the body doesn't recognize it and needs to get rid of it.
What happens, in the studies, when a person eats plant protein? nothing..the IMMUNE system does not get activated whether you have leaky gut or not. Interesting isn't it? I'm still looking up the research behind these ideas ( both these ideas are in the books I mentioned above.)
So next question would be how to fix it? well one could not eat animal protein for 3 months AND educate yourself on plant proteins...BROCCOLI has MORE PROTEIN than one ounce of steak ( equal amount of calories) BUT most professionals don't know this. Thsi is Dr. Fuhrmans's work ( www.drfuhrman.com) I am listening to his book now on CD Eat To Live, see how you feel in those 3 months.
It has always been my thought that making dietary changes for a bit and seeing how I feel is an excellent way to heal and see what works and what doesn't. For example, Dr. Fuhrman says to eat a cup of beans a day...I can't "handle" beans..so that doesn't work for me. YOU are your own best friend when it comes to your health and wellness.
Specifically talking about the thyroid( along with what is mentioned above about animal protein)...I believe getting my amalgam/mercury fillings replaced is helping my thyroid situation. The mercury, in my case, I believe has settled in and around my thyroid tissue causing the body to NOT RECOGNIZE it and attack it. makes sense to me..and as I remove the mercury the body will clear and the immune system won't be confused, thus lowering the Hashimoto's antibodies.
Lots to think about...remember YOU are your own best friend through all of this..YOU are smart enough to read the studies and books and decide for yourself what is your best plan of action. :-)
I'm in the process this week of posting ( on my new board) the two chapters on Autoimmune disease from The China Study book and the fasting and Eating for Health by Dr. Joel Furhman.
First off you have to realize this is NOT a one answer deal..there are many ideas as to what is happening in an autoimmune response..whether it be the thyroid or the blood or the joints or the nervous system.
What I can tell you about WHY your immune system would do this is the body becomes confused because the tissues begin to look like something foreign that it is suppose to attack and get trid of. Now WHY the tissues change structure is explained very well in these two books...ofcourse a lot is speculation at this point on everyone's part BUT what I find to be very revealing is that ANIMAL protein vs. PLANT protein in studies shows very different reactions in the body.
For instance( I'll try to keep this simple as it can get very complicated)..you eat a steak ( that's animal protein) IF you have the right enzymes in the right amount ( which most people don't because we eat our food COOKED most of the time which kills the digestive enzymes)..that protein is broken down into amino acid chains that the body recognizes and doesn't try to destroy HOWEVER what studies have shown is that animal protein in some cases starts to destroy the mucosal layer of the intestinal wall which then leads to leaky gut eventually...holes in the wall of the intestin which allows food particles to enter the blood stream ( it's not suppose to be there) which send the IMMUNE SYSTEM into high alert to get rid of the proteins/food particles fromt he blood.
Second thought on the subject: say you eat a steak (animal protein) and let's assume you DO NOT have enough digestive enzymes..the amino acid chains that make up the protein are now being PARTIALLY digested...and those partially digested chains are going through the holes ( because you're eating animal protein..that causes the break down of the intestinal wall) and those partially digested chains cause an IMMUNE response because the body doesn't recognize it and needs to get rid of it.
What happens, in the studies, when a person eats plant protein? nothing..the IMMUNE system does not get activated whether you have leaky gut or not. Interesting isn't it? I'm still looking up the research behind these ideas ( both these ideas are in the books I mentioned above.)
So next question would be how to fix it? well one could not eat animal protein for 3 months AND educate yourself on plant proteins...BROCCOLI has MORE PROTEIN than one ounce of steak ( equal amount of calories) BUT most professionals don't know this. Thsi is Dr. Fuhrmans's work ( www.drfuhrman.com) I am listening to his book now on CD Eat To Live, see how you feel in those 3 months.
It has always been my thought that making dietary changes for a bit and seeing how I feel is an excellent way to heal and see what works and what doesn't. For example, Dr. Fuhrman says to eat a cup of beans a day...I can't "handle" beans..so that doesn't work for me. YOU are your own best friend when it comes to your health and wellness.
Specifically talking about the thyroid( along with what is mentioned above about animal protein)...I believe getting my amalgam/mercury fillings replaced is helping my thyroid situation. The mercury, in my case, I believe has settled in and around my thyroid tissue causing the body to NOT RECOGNIZE it and attack it. makes sense to me..and as I remove the mercury the body will clear and the immune system won't be confused, thus lowering the Hashimoto's antibodies.
Lots to think about...remember YOU are your own best friend through all of this..YOU are smart enough to read the studies and books and decide for yourself what is your best plan of action. :-)
Thankyou for the info, Looked uo Fancypantsandme, pretty interesting site. Will ckeck it out more, again thankyou for the help.
I believe your condition is called Hashimoto Thyroiditis. I think they monitor it treat it in it's first stage w/ thyroid replacing hormones like Synthroid or Armour Thyroid.
As far as something natural, there is a poster who goes by "Fancypantsandme". She is on a raw food diet and has brought her levels down. She has hashimoto. You might want to rip her a question. She also has some information she is compiling and will send out when she gets it ready. She post alot on the autoimmune forum.
As far as something natural, there is a poster who goes by "Fancypantsandme". She is on a raw food diet and has brought her levels down. She has hashimoto. You might want to rip her a question. She also has some information she is compiling and will send out when she gets it ready. She post alot on the autoimmune forum.
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