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GOP offers own proposal to avert 'fiscal cliff'

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/03/15649000-gop-offers-own-proposal-to-avert-fiscal-cliff?lite

A snippet from the article:

"As Republicans put it, they would raise $800 billion in new revenue through tax reform, $600 billion in health savings, $200 billion from changes to the Consumer Price Index, $300 billion in discretionary spending cuts, and another $300 billion in savings in mandatory spending. Many of the health savings track closely with the changes to Medicare first proposed in Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan’s budgets.

Republicans say the plan, using the Obama administration’s math, would achieve $4.6 trillion in savings.

It’s unclear, though, whether the Republican plan would move toward ending the stalemate around the fiscal cliff negotiations, with less than a month remaining until the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts are scheduled to snap into place on Jan. 1."
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480448 tn?1426948538
http://business.time.com/2011/08/11/is-the-economy-worse-off-than-in-2008/

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/america-heading-towards-collapse-worse-2008-europe-says-155504860.html


There is article after article.



Yes just 1..He is making it BETTER!!!!

I hope you're right...because if not, that's not good and everyone loses...but I have to say, if this second term is going to be more of the same from the 1st, I'm very aprehensive.  He's going to have to dig deep to turn this around.
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1530342 tn?1405016490
"He started "fixing" things the way he wanted...and our economy is even worse now."

Where do  you get this stuff from?....

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/economy/news/2012/09/04/36357/are-we-better-off-now-than-in-2008-you-betcha/

"So, you don't think ANY of the problems with our economy are on him?"

Yes just 1..He is making it BETTER!!!!
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480448 tn?1426948538
So, you don't think ANY of the problems with our economy are on him?
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480448 tn?1426948538
Whats to discuss?  It was shot down as most of us expected.  I have no hope that either side is willing to be reasonable.

I honestly, sincerely don't understand, with Obama entering his second term, how he's blameless for the state of this country?  

How can you guys say that and believe it?  Where is the accountability?  EVERY administration plays a part in our current state of affairs.  I can understand that sentiment in his first term...but he's following 4 years of his own policies now.  

He started "fixing" things the way he wanted...and our economy is even worse now.  That's not to say I blame him for everything, but yes, he most certainly is accountable for part of it!

I just cannot wrap my brain around that.  
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1530342 tn?1405016490
OBAMA DID NOT GET US INTO THIS MESS....Like it or not, HE DIDN'T..

"what DOES bother me is that it seems impossible for you (general "you") to admit that he's not blameless in this situation...both getting us to where we are today (along WITH the past administrations)...as well as, not being willing to do much compromising to fix the situation at hand."

Not true at all. I hold the President accountable when necessary. As for the wars and the crashing economy, NOPE he is NOT responsible...Libya, Yes, he is responsible because the buck stops with him. Now I will give him credit for: saving the economy, ending the war in Iraq, getting the war in Afghanistan under control, bringing the housing market back, and WINNING RE-ELECTION....There's more but you guys n the right would dismiss it and focus on what you think he has done wrong....
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Back to the counter offer. Its a non starter, period as the gop is holding that pledg to norquist close to their heart. Without those cuts being on the table and let expire, we go nowhere but over the cliff. Now lets all make up, hold hands and jump! First I have to go to work so I can pay my bills tho. Cya
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